LS Danny Aiken

Deus Irae said:

You need to re-watch the play, too.

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There's nothing to rewatch, you are trying to change the thread I started, into something else.

I didn't start a thread titled, should the Patriots protection, or Ryan's handling have covered for a poor snap by Aiken? That's your thread and i wish you well on it.

My thread is about Aiken, a guy who has a job that requires he be good to excellent 90-100% of the time. Had Ryan scooped it up and punted 70 yards with no return, it still wouldn't have been a good snap.

Maybe you can rationalize this one, you're good at that.

RayClay said:

There's nothing to rewatch, you are trying to change the thread I started, into something else.

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You *****ed about Aiken because of his snap.

When he came up with another crappy snap that cost us, I figured that was it for him, after already being cut previously.

Is it me, or do we expect to not have bad snaps as a part of every other game? How many teams have long snappers on the PS (I believe we do). Thoughts?

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I noted that the snap wasn't that bad. I even linked to a reporter analysis. You cried again. I suggested you re-watch the play. That's all well within any "on topic" requirements of the thread.

It's not my fault that your OP sucks.

rochrist said:

Sure. After Ryan dropped it.


What's hard to figure out about this. The snap was not bad, Ryan dropped it and they totally blew their blocking assignments allowing a guy a free run straight up the middle.

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He ha one job, to deliver that ball into the hands of the punter/holder. He's had worse and usually, but not enough, delivers it perfectly.

In his job, being less than disastrous is not good. When a QB delivers the ball to the shoes instead of the letters, leading the receiver, it is not a good throw, even if completed. The QB, obviously, has a lot more going on than passing to the same guy at the same distance who is standing still.

Deus Irae said:

You *****ed about Aiken because of his snap.

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No, I didn't. I *****ed about him because he is continuing to be unreliable and even posted a gif of him making a snap so bad, it alone could have been reason for dismissal.

I assume some knowledge of recent Patriots history here. You watched the Colts game?

RayClay said:

No, I didn't. I *****ed about him because he is continuing to be unreliable and even posted a gif of him making a snap so bad, it alone could have been reason for dismissal.

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No, you *****ed because of a "another crappy snap" that wasn't that bad. It's right there in your OP.

Deus Irae said:

No, you *****ed because of a "another crappy snap" that wasn't that bad. It's right there in your OP.

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And you know what the word "another" means?

The snap was fine. It was at the shins, not perfect but good enough. Allen dropped it but if the blocking wasn't so bad he would've been able to get it off fine. Can't let the Miami guy through the line like that.

BradyToAmendola said:

The snap was fine. It was at the shins, not perfect but good enough. Allen dropped it but if the blocking wasn't so bad he would've been able to get it off fine. Can't let the Miami guy through the line like that.

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How about the one in the Colts game? Just a wee bit high?

Yeah that one was horrible, but I don't see the point in bringing a play up from last year. If he has another mistake like that then I would think about replacing him, but the snap yesterday on the blocked punt was fine, I don't think he should be crucified for having a snap that yes is low, but good enough. I would put much more of the blame on the blocking. It looked like Ninkovich had a pretty bad block, and then Ebner could've stayed in there to get a block on the guy once he got through Nink, but he went upfield a little too early IMO.

I have more concerns about Ryan Allen. The snap was low, but Allen bobbled it. And his punts were not good.

BradyToAmendola said:

The snap was fine. It was at the shins, not perfect but good enough. Allen dropped it but if the blocking wasn't so bad he would've been able to get it off fine. Can't let the Miami guy through the line like that.

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So, at the shins or over the head are fine for a long snapper on a regular basis. I just disagree. That should be a rarity, in my opinion.

The punter should be able to survey the field and concentrate on his punt, not have to reach, then get back into position to punt, if it's a "good" snap.

That's my opinion aboutAiken's consistency, not that particular play.

Rob0729 said:

I have more concerns about Ryan Allen. The snap was low, but Allen bobbled it. And his punts were not good.

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His job is to punt, not to improvise because of low snaps. If anyone is saying that was a perfect snap, I must have missed it.

BradyToAmendola said:

Yeah that one was horrible, but I don't see the point in bringing a play up from last year. If he has another mistake like that then I would think about replacing him, but the snap yesterday on the blocked punt was fine, I don't think he should be crucified for having a snap that yes is low, but good enough. I would put much more of the blame on the blocking. It looked like Ninkovich had a pretty bad block, and then Ebner could've stayed in there to get a block on the guy once he got through Nink, but he went upfield a little too early IMO.

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Hmmm. Well, maybe my point is that they should be looking for a new long snapper. It isn't a position where "most of the time" is the standard. a good snap should happen as often as a made extra point.

RayClay said:

And you know what the word "another" means?

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Yes. You seem not to, since this one wasn't that bad of a snap, and thus would not qualify as "another crappy snap".

If you want Aiken run out of town, ok. I'm certainly not an Aiken fan, and I'm not saying you're wrong for that take, overall. I'm just saying that this snap wasn't that bad.

Deus Irae said:

The snap wasn't that bad, and Allen handled it quickly after the drop. The problem was the protection.

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Not what I saw on TV.

Granted, he should have time for that stuff, and granted it did not touch the ground until after he tries AND FAILS to pick it up off of his shoes.

I'm not a Long Snapper, but I think you generally are supposed to aim a tad higher. The snap was bad.

Now I'll take a page from your book and demand evidence proving my eyes are bad. C'mon, link to a report from my optometrist.

Deus Irae said:

You need to re-watch the play, too.

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This was the only thing I could find.

Why do you want me to get evidence? I saw it in slow motion repeatedly yesterday. You get it smart guy.
Geez Louise, make a point and provide evidence for your view, not demand evidence from your opponent. What are you a professional politician?

lurker1965 said:

Not what I saw on TV.

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Telling someone to re-watch the play is not demanding evidence. The snap wasn't perfect. It just wasn't that bad. If you don't like Aiken, this is not the snap to cry about. As Ray has pointed out, there are enough others for that.

RayClay said:

There's nothing to rewatch, you are trying to change the thread I started, into something else.

I didn't start a thread titled, should the Patriots protection, or Ryan's handling have covered for a poor snap by Aiken? That's your thread and i wish you well on it.

My thread is about Aiken, a guy who has a job that requires he be good to excellent 90-100% of the time. Had Ryan scooped it up and punted 70 yards with no return, it still wouldn't have been a good snap.

Maybe you can rationalize this one, you're good at that.

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Scooped it up? It was at his f**cking knees! How is a punter in the NFL not expected to handle a long snap thats at knee level?

lurker1965 said:

Not what I saw on TV.

Granted, he should have time for that stuff, and granted it did not touch the ground until after he tries AND FAILS to pick it up off of his shoes.

I'm not a Long Snapper, but I think you generally are supposed to aim a tad higher. The snap was bad.

Now I'll take a page from your book and demand evidence proving my eyes are bad. C'mon, link to a report from my optometrist.



This was the only thing I could find.

Why do you want me to get evidence? I saw it in slow motion repeatedly yesterday. You get it smart guy.
Geez Louise, make a point and provide evidence for your view, not demand evidence from your opponent. What are you a professional politician?

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It's convenient that the punter is out of the picture until after he's fumbled the punt. On NFL Rewind, he's completely in the picture.

Why are you so invested in this when the problem was the mis-communication and the resulting missed blocking that allowed a dolphin player and free run right up the middle?

Watched the replay a few times ... rusher came in virtually untouched ...

That may have been blocked even with a good snap ... he came in unimpeded.

IcyPatriot said:

Watched the replay a few times ... rusher came in virtually untouched ...

That may have been blocked even with a good snap ... he came in unimpeded.

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I agree. It's possible Ryan could have at least saved the play, had he been looking at the rush instead of his shoes but that's conjecture. He has had a fair bit of experience improvising, so that's in his favor.