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***** Official Deus Irae 9/7/2014 game observations (and more) thread *****


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Wake got off really, really fast on that play. Both players assigned to block him completely whiffed. It might not have been a very sensible blocking scheme, but give credit where credit is due. Wake was a monster yesterday.

Wendell was the Center on that play (IIRC). He has the most obvious snap tell in the league. That gives the Defense a jump.
 
fair enough.....i get that brady looks at the defense and then, having memorized/visualized the WR options, throws it where he thinks the open guy will be or the best matchup.....i just take issue with the assumption that bradys read is correct no matter what

in more concrete terms.....suppose edelman is running up field 5 yards and then has the option to cut in or out, etc......and the cb is playing him to the inside.....and the lb is also there on his inside......edelman sees this and cuts out......brady (for some reason) throws it inside and its picked off......is this edelmans fault for not "seeing" it the same way as brady and not going inside despite the two guys being right there?......instead of cutting outside and being wide open

the edelman pass at 9:38 in the 4th......i cant see how anyone can view that not as brady either misthrowing or misreading the pass

Again, Brady goes over the whole playbook with the coaches. He's probably as knowledgeable as any of them. The play is designed to be run a certain way and the ball delivered to a certain place at a certain time, before the receiver makes his break.

If Brady was having trouble reading defenses, he wouldn't be Brady. they've been running the same system he mastered early on with him as QB. He has the ball in his hand, the receiver can't adjust to another one.

Brady makes bad throws and he makes the right read for the play, but a defender sniffs it out. It happens. But he throws the ball before the receiver breaks, there is no other read that doesn't lead to being where the ball is that is right.

Without looking, I'm almost positive Brady has the highest TD/int ratio ever, or whatever stats you want to note relating to not throwing risky passes, and this is in a timing offense, where the ball is already on the way before a receiver is.

Troy Brown. a special teams player, turned third down back, turned starting WR didn't catch 100 and 90+ balls in two seasons because he was more talented than Joey Galloway, Chadocho or any number of great receivers. He did it because he put in the work with the coaches to study the offense with Brady, so that he would always see the coverage the way Brady did even if he had to improvise. UDFA Welker too. If there was a mixup between Edleman and Brady they will discuss it, but if Brady, the one who could see the whole field believes in that read, Edelman will make sure to make whatever adjustment necessary.

That doesn't mean the play was well designed, but, unless it was overthrown, it doesn't seem like a bad pass for a receiver who was in the area either.

The gronk play could be seen as interpretation. Brady expected the still recovering Gronk, to go for the first down (I would too). Maybe a healthy Gronk makes the double move for a big gain, but he was clunky yesterday.
It's a work in progress every year. No defense is going to be predictable an some options are open to interpretation.

Brady will talk about problems in early games and eventually, it will work like a machine, if he has receivers who put in the work and are on the same page. Ultimately, he's the QB, he's throwing where you're supposed to be, if you can't learn where that is 90+% of the time, you might make it on another team, but you won't make it here.
 
the edelman pass at 9:38 in the 4th......i cant see how anyone can view that not as brady either misthrowing or misreading the pass

Was it intercepted? Would it have been a big gainer had the receiver caught it in stride?

Why would you assume there wasn't an option that would have put edelman where the ball was? Brady can't "misread the pass". If he made a good throw, the pass was his and was decided before Edelman did or didn't make his cut.
 
Was it intercepted? Would it have been a big gainer had the receiver caught it in stride?

Why would you assume there wasn't an option that would have put edelman where the ball was? Brady can't "misread the pass". If he made a good throw, the pass was his and was decided before Edelman did or didn't make his cut.

i just disagree with the premise that brady cant misread a pass.......maybe im wrong......i find it hard to believe that BB has never told brady, "you saw that one wrong and threw it to the wrong place"

maybe im wrong......just my opinion

go back and look at the edelman pass and tell me what you think happened......obviously neither of us know for sure.....just speculating......but still......you can look at it and give an opinion on what went wrong

i have to go eat.......be back later
 
Observation:
A defense plays like how the coordinator projects themselves. Patricia always looks nervous/scared on the sideline and that's how the defense plays.

Said it before and I'll say it again, a good defense is an attacking one - bully the Offense and dictate how they play, not the other way round.

Be pro-active not reactive.
Its belichick's scheme and defense. Always has been. We have never been a baltimore/pitt style defense even during the superbowl years. So if you must blame the scheme , it falls on BB. Patricia is just following what he learnt and asked to do.
 
Really? Who wrote that?

Well I know supafly and I had a back and forth last night about it. I've seen other posters although some of them were probably gameday trolls that only come out when the Pats lose.
 
i just disagree with the premise that brady cant misread a pass.......maybe im wrong......i find it hard to believe that BB has never told brady, "you saw that one wrong and threw it to the wrong place"

maybe im wrong......just my opinion

go back and look at the edelman pass and tell me what you think happened......obviously neither of us know for sure.....just speculating......but still......you can look at it and give an opinion on what went wrong

i have to go eat.......be back later

He definitely can. Granted he was under more pressure than U-571 when it was trying to get away from the German ships, but there were a couple of throws where he was given a clean pocket yesterday where he was honestly off. He was either rattled or it was due to age. Only two options I can come up with. For now, I'll go with the former. The guy is 37 years old. If he keeps getting hit like that, he's not going to make it through the season. The OL has to be fixed and quickly. At least they seemed to finally figure out that Wendell sucks since they benched him in the second half. Took them long enough. Now they have to figure out a way to get Devey off the field.
 
But apparently according to some Revis was continually torched all day.

I dare you to quote where I said that.
 
He definitely can. Granted he was under more pressure than U-571 when it was trying to get away from the German ships, but there were a couple of throws where he was given a clean pocket yesterday where he was honestly off. He was either rattled or it was due to age. Only two options I can come up with. For now, I'll go with the former. The guy is 37 years old. If he keeps getting hit like that, he's not going to make it through the season. The OL has to be fixed and quickly. At least they seemed to finally figure out that Wendell sucks since they benched him in the second half. Took them long enough. Now they have to figure out a way to get Devey off the field.
New England Patriots offense - 60 pass attempts (including sacks), 20 rush attempts. For a team with a half time lead and the opponent down to three backup linebackers, this crap needs to end fast or Tom Brady will end up on injured reserve before the second half of the season.
 
i just disagree with the premise that brady cant misread a pass.......maybe im wrong......i find it hard to believe that BB has never told brady, "you saw that one wrong and threw it to the wrong place"

maybe im wrong......just my opinion

go back and look at the edelman pass and tell me what you think happened......obviously neither of us know for sure.....just speculating......but still......you can look at it and give an opinion on what went wrong

i have to go eat.......be back later

Let me put it this way. If Brady has five disagreements with receivers on how the route should have been run, he doesn't change the five different plays so that the five different receivers opinions are accepted, so that when he runs those plays with five different guys he has to remember how that receiver wants to run it, then throws the ball to that spot.

He's been running the same offense for over a decade. The plays are designed with options and keys. Ther could be room for interpretation, but you better learn how and why Brady sees it. If you do, you'll be a punt returner who suddenly catches 100 balls.
 
I dare you to quote where I said that.

I dare you to quote where I was talking about you. I said according to "SOME". If you didn't say Revis was getting torched all day then it didn't apply to you.
 
New England Patriots offense - 60 pass attempts (including sacks), 20 rush attempts. For a team with a half time lead and the opponent down to three backup linebackers, this crap needs to end fast or Tom Brady will end up on injured reserve before the second half of the season.

Thank You.

Charlie Weiss would at least try to balance the run/pass ratio.
 
I dare you to quote where I was talking about you. I said according to "SOME". If you didn't say Revis was getting torched all day then it didn't apply to you.
Supafly said Kontradiction said it and used that as the crux of his argument
 
Well I need Joker to volunteer and send spicy hot flaming ice cream to Matt Patricia, so our defensive coordinator can stop being comfortable with just vanilla flavor

I could do it myself, but I'm broke.;)
 
I blame Brady's beard.

Good thing he shaved it off this morning.
 
New England Patriots offense - 60 pass attempts (including sacks), 20 rush attempts. For a team with a half time lead and the opponent down to three backup linebackers, this crap needs to end fast or Tom Brady will end up on injured reserve before the second half of the season.

THAT is truly galling.

How could they do the VERY SAME THING as they did last time they were in Miami? Another game where they had a halftime lead and lost the game in the 2nd half by going lopsidedly to the pass over the run.

That time, it was 55 Pass - 21 Run.
 
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He definitely can. Granted he was under more pressure than U-571 when it was trying to get away from the German ships, but there were a couple of throws where he was given a clean pocket yesterday where he was honestly off. He was either rattled or it was due to age. Only two options I can come up with. For now, I'll go with the former. The guy is 37 years old. If he keeps getting hit like that, he's not going to make it through the season. The OL has to be fixed and quickly. At least they seemed to finally figure out that Wendell sucks since they benched him in the second half. Took them long enough. Now they have to figure out a way to get Devey off the field.

i agree about the pressure.....the OL has to get better.....we'll see.......
 
Let me put it this way. If Brady has five disagreements with receivers on how the route should have been run, he doesn't change the five different plays so that the five different receivers opinions are accepted, so that when he runs those plays with five different guys he has to remember how that receiver wants to run it, then throws the ball to that spot.

He's been running the same offense for over a decade. The plays are designed with options and keys. Ther could be room for interpretation, but you better learn how and why Brady sees it. If you do, you'll be a punt returner who suddenly catches 100 balls.

ill just have to respectfully see it a little different and move on
 
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