Miami positives

VrabelJr said:

You and everyone else in that thread that thinks Revis didn't play "pretty well" are clinically insane. Speed demons like Mike Wallace are the cryptonite to "shutdown" corners. In 60 snaps, a fast WR like Wallace will burn any CB in the league at least once or twice. Wallace made most of his plays against CBs not named Revis anyway.

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To say that Revis played "pretty good" is ridiculous. You're just making excuses. He did nothing even close to "pretty good," or "great." He was the definition of average/mediocre.

We heard all year about how this secondary was going to be shutdown, and how we'd be able to be more exotic, apply pressure, get coverage sacks, and take the opposition's best player away.

None of those things happened today, and Revis was torched several times fairly easily.

This all said--it was ONE game, so we expect it to improve, but let's not make excuses.

VrabelJr said:

You and everyone else in that thread that thinks Revis didn't play "pretty well" are clinically insane. Speed demons like Mike Wallace are the cryptonite to "shutdown" corners. In 60 snaps, a fast WR like Wallace will burn any CB in the league at least once or twice. Wallace made most of his plays against CBs not named Revis anyway.

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Clinically insane, huh?

There's a freaking article on the front page of the site....

"Darrelle Revis’ big debut would become an afternoon for New England to forget."

supafly said:

To say that Revis played "pretty good" is ridiculous. You're just making excuses. He did nothing even close to "pretty good," or "great." He was the definition of average/mediocre.

We heard all year about how this secondary was going to be shutdown, and how we'd be able to be more exotic, apply pressure, get coverage sacks, and take the opposition's best player away.

None of those things happened today, and Revis was torched several times fairly easily.

This all said--it was ONE game, so we expect it to improve, but let's not make excuses.

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It doesn't matter how good your secondary is when you can't stop the run and can't pressure the QB. Anybody who says otherwise doesn't have a good understanding of football.

Swapping out a pretty good, albeit inconsistent, CB in Talib with a better (great) CB in Revis doesn't make Joe Vellano a good player. It doesn't build Vince Wilfork a time machine. It doesn't make Sealver Siliga an immovable object.

supafly said:

To say that Revis played "pretty good" is ridiculous. You're just making excuses. He did nothing even close to "pretty good," or "great." He was the definition of average/mediocre.

We heard all year about how this secondary was going to be shutdown, and how we'd be able to be more exotic, apply pressure, get coverage sacks, and take the opposition's best player away.

None of those things happened today, and Revis was torched several times fairly easily.

This all said--it was ONE game, so we expect it to improve, but let's not make excuses.

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I only saw him get "beat" twice and one of them went went in the books as incomplete.

mcmurtry86 said:

It doesn't matter how good your secondary is when you can't stop the run and can't pressure the QB. Anybody who says otherwise doesn't have a good understanding of football.

Swapping out a pretty good, albeit inconsistent, CB in Talib with a better (great) CB in Revis doesn't make Joe Vellano a good player. It doesn't build Vince Wilfork a time machine. It doesn't make Sealver Siliga an immovable object.

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I agree 100% with you, but my comment was in response to a poster who was raving about Revis' performance today.

That is not true. Revis shouldn't be praised for anything today.

That said, we all expect him to improve with the rest of the team, and no one should be overreacting to one game, but let's tell it like it is---Revis was not "pretty good" today. He was average at best, and did not take away their best weapon.

JMC00 said:

I only saw him get "beat" twice and one of them went went in the books as incomplete.

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That was in the 2nd quarter. They actually showed the statline on the screen.

2 attempts - 1 competion = 21 yards.

Lots of game after that.

supafly said:

Clinically insane, huh?

There's a freaking article on the front page of the site....

"Darrelle Revis’ big debut would become an afternoon for New England to forget."

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1. I don't see that article on the front page of this site
2. It's an article on the internet
3. That title in no-way indicts Darrelle Revis' play. Please read it again and apply thought.

supafly said:

That was in the 2nd quarter. They actually showed the statline on the screen.

2 attempts - 1 competion = 21 yards.

Lots of game after that.

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So if he was "torched" as much as you say list all of them. But just know the Wallace TD wasn't an example of him being "torched".

VrabelJr said:

1. I don't see that article on the front page of this site
2. It's an article on the internet
3. That title in no-way indicts Darrelle Revis' play. Please read it again and apply thought.

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Darrelle Revis was nothing more than average today, did NOT take away their best weapon, allowed several completions (and a TD), and did not come as advertised.

You don't want to tell it like it is. He was average.

Ask @KontradictioN . He was at the game down in Miami today, and followed Revis closely.

One of my positives is that it's week 1 and there are many weeks left.

JMC00 said:

So if he was "torched" as much as you say list all of them. But just know the Wallace TD wasn't an example of him being "torched".

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Word it how ever you want to.

Darelle Revis does not deserve praise for playing "pretty good" today, and that is the point.

He was no better than the rest of the shoddy play on the team, and did nothing as advertised to prove that he is one of the top 1-2 CBs in the league.

JMC00 said:

So if he was "torched" as much as you say list all of them. But just know the Wallace TD wasn't an example of him being "torched".

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Does this sound like a guy who played "pretty good" today?

1.--"Wallace had a very good day against superstar free-agent signee Darrelle Revis, getting open with relative ease."

2.--"On one notable play, Wallace burned Revis on a double-move route to the outside, but Tannehill's slightly off pass and Wallace's lack of boundary awareness turned a gorgeous touchdown into an incompletion."

Ty Schalter NFL national lead writer

We have an interesting board. We all watched the same game. And yet, some think that Revis didn't play well.

IMHO, we had terrible play from the two lines (including our blocking TE), and mediocre play from the QB position.

IMHO, the DB's, LB's, RB's, WR's and TE played fine. They all certainly played plenty well enough to win. Also, I simply don't understand how the defensive game plan matched either Miami or tour players.

mgteich said:

We have an interesting board. We all watched the same game. And yet, some think that Revis didn't play well.

IMHO, we had terrible play from the two lines (including our blocking TE), and mediocre play from the QB position.

IMHO, the DB's, LB's, RB's, WR's and TE played fine. They all certainly played plenty well enough to win. Also, I simply don't understand how the defensive game plan matched either Miami or tour players.

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I don't see how Darrelle Revis played "well," no...

There are quotes from paid writers in the post directly above yours who have the same opinion, yet with a harsher edge. It has nothing to do with "our board being interesting."

While I wouldn't take it quite that far, I was not impressed. If that was "pretty well" then we can do better for the 13-14m dollars that he will want on the current and next pact.

Obviously, it was likely just a bad day. I do not see how anyone can watch the game and walk away claiming that Revis played like the usual Darrelle Revis though, which is on a much higher level of play normally.

Revis didn't play as bad as some say, but he had his bad plays too. The Wallace TD was perfect defense where Revis did knock the ball out of Wallace's hands. He did get burnt on the non-TD.

supafly said:

Does this sound like a guy who played "pretty good" today?

1.--"Wallace had a very good day against superstar free-agent signee Darrelle Revis, getting open with relative ease."

2.--"On one notable play, Wallace burned Revis on a double-move route to the outside, but Tannehill's slightly off pass and Wallace's lack of boundary awareness turned a gorgeous touchdown into an incompletion."

Ty Schalter NFL national lead writer

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Wallace had two catches against Revis and one of them Revis had him covered and tipped the pass but it bounced back into Wallace's arms

The double move play Wallace didn't stay inbounds so it goes in the record books as incomplete.

How'd Hartline and Clay do lined up across Revis? Oh ya both got shut out going against him.

Rob0729 said:

Revis didn't play as bad as some say, but he had his bad plays too. The Wallace TD was perfect defense where Revis did knock the ball out of Wallace's hands. He did get burnt on the non-TD.

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Yeah, for the record, I don't think he had a "bad game."

I highly disagree with the notion that he "played well," however. I think that's ridiculous.

He was mediocre, which is a positive since the majority of the rest of the team was piss poor.

JMC00 said:

Wallace had two catches against Revis and one of them Revis had him covered and tipped the pass but it bounced back into Wallace's arms

The double move play Wallace didn't stay inbounds so it goes in the record books as incomplete.

How'd Hartline and Clay do lined up across Revis? Oh ya both got shut out going against him.

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Yeah, you're stuck back in the 2nd quarter, but that's your decision. Once again, the CBS broadcast showed the targets vs Revis at that time, which was early on. That was the first time that Wallace had his way with him pretty nicely, and at the time Revis was 1 for 2, having allowed 22 yards. If the game stopped there, you'd have a point.

mgteich said:

We have an interesting board. We all watched the same game. And yet, some think that Revis didn't play well.

IMHO, we had terrible play from the two lines (including our blocking TE), and mediocre play from the QB position.

IMHO, the DB's, LB's, RB's, WR's and TE played fine. They all certainly played plenty well enough to win. Also, I simply don't understand how the defensive game plan matched either Miami or tour players.

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What a load of crap.

The linebackers did not play well, missed on a number of tackles, and were run over by the Miami Dolphins running backs.

all this specific player blaming is ridiculous...the ENTIRE TEAM failed to show up for the 2nd half. Maybe they all ate lead donuts at halftime...who knows. It's OVER.

Minny at home next weekend...a win and the Pats are back to .500. WOW!!!...and they say it can't be done...

krist I may have to get a ticket to this game so I can go watch the game with actual physical fans instead of all these braying jackasses in here.