The agitated Post-Game thread

Miami has a good defensive line. Good at best. Many teams have much better

Brady is going to get MURDERED by Ware and Miller if this offensive line doesn't get fixed

It came down the lines, as everyone's already said. We know there's plenty of talent on the DL, so I'm honestly not that worried there. A defense with Wilfork, mayo and Hightower has no business getting dominated on the ground like that. I actually blame fatigue there, since the offense couldn't stay on the field for anything resembling a drive in the second half.

Which brings us to the OL. I dunno what to say, we all saw the giant dump that they took on the field. If they really are that bad, then this season is effectively over. So we just have to hope that it isn't actually that bad, that losing Scar didn't kill the OL *that* much, and this was nothing more than an ugly first step in a (hopefully quick) transition period.

The coaching was very spotty at times, which is so surprising. I can't believe Wake was left singled so frequently. That guy always kills us, it's not like he is coming from nowhere.

As far as I can see our skill positions look okish. Edelman, Vereen and KT had good games all things considered. The dolphins were taking away a lot of Brady's first reads and he didn't have time to look for some of his 2nd and 3rd options who were somewhat open in zone gaps.
None of it matters though if the oline plays like they did. I expect they fix thigs as the season progresses.

The_Riddler said:

Speaking of Dobson, what is the story? He seemed totally fine in his last preseason game.

Des Bryant, Demarius Thomas, Cordarelle Patterson passed on. And our guy Dobson, like Borges says, seems to be walking around in a boot every time he's seen.

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Dont like Borges in the least.....but he is right on this.....Dobson is pretty frail and weak it would seem......look at Edelman Mr. Dobson......GO TO WORK!!!!

Thx for taking the time to review so quickly........this has been the issue here since Romeo left...NEVER ANY PRESSURE ON THE OPPOSING TEAMS QB............Hard to win the game when you are not knocking the opposing QB on his A##.................

iapatsfan said:

Re-watching the 2nd half. Miami's 2nd half performance against us was more dominant than Seattle's vs Green Bay. We did not have a single pass rusher win a one on one match up. We have very little talent at the skill positions. It really looks like the Miami DBs do not have to strain at all to cover our WRs - like varsity vs. JV. Watching both sides of the ball it's difficult to see where money has been spent on this team. It just seems like there's a dearth of talent at every level of both sides of the ball.

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patsfan-1982 said:

playing a 3-4 with jones as the DE when there best pass rushing team is 4-3 with nink and jones at DE and chris jones and wilfork at DT. playing that bad zone/ bend but don't brake defense with a lead,


the OL they just need to pick a line up and stay with them for the whole season, DA needs to be used more. Lafell had 6 balls thrown his way with 0 rec IMO him and Dobson are pretty much the same player average route runners bad hands and not fast a nuff to be used the way josh is trying to use them as a deep threat

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The problem with today's result are the self inflicted wounds.

1. 34 vs 43.
2. The worst OL combination possible.
3. Designating Dobson, White & Stork as inactives.

All three are correctable and all three did not need to occur.

stcjones said:

Thx for taking the time to review so quickly........this has been the issue here since Romeo left...NEVER ANY PRESSURE ON THE OPPOSING TEAMS QB............Hard to win the game when you are not knocking the opposing QB on his A##.................

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Breathing near a QB is now a penalty. Ask Dont'a.

The_Riddler said:

And our guy Dobson, like Borges says, seems to be walking around in a boot every time he's seen.

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stcjones said:

Dont like Borges in the least.....but he is right on this.....Dobson is pretty frail and weak it would seem......look at Edelman Mr. Dobson......GO TO WORK!!!!

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Oh come the f*** off it. Quoting that hack borges. The douche is loving that the Pats lost right now.

Dobson broke his foot, tried to play through it, got surgery, rehabbed and is healed which was evident in the 4th preseason game.

Reason why he was inactive today was because the other 4 WR on the roster were more game ready than he was according to BB and for whatever reason BB thought Don Jones who had been with NE to have a cup of coffee was more valuable to the 46-game day than Dobson was.

ausbacker said:

The problem with today's result are the self inflicted wounds.

1. 34 vs 43.
2. The worst OL combination possible.
3. Designating Dobson, White & Stork as inactives.

All three are correctable and all three did not need to occur.

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I think so also. All seem to be easily correctable and should bring more positives then negatives.

BradyFTW! said:

It came down the lines, as everyone's already said. We know there's plenty of talent on the DL, so I'm honestly not that worried there. A defense with Wilfork, mayo and Hightower has no business getting dominated on the ground like that. I actually blame fatigue there, since the offense couldn't stay on the field for anything resembling a drive in the second half.

Which brings us to the OL. I dunno what to say, we all saw the giant dump that they took on the field. If they really are that bad, then this season is effectively over. So we just have to hope that it isn't actually that bad, that losing Scar didn't kill the OL *that* much, and this was nothing more than an ugly first step in a (hopefully quick) transition period.

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Where is this "plenty of talent" of which you speak? The DL has zero explosive players. Maybe Easley can change that.

Going through reiss tweets and Brady 2-18 on throws 15 yards and longer. Another ugly stat from an ugly game

bostonia3333 said:

a crappy team like the jets or Bills.

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Hmm...both those teams WON today.

TomPatriot said:

Breathing near a QB is now a penalty. Ask Dont'a.

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BS, the Dolphins pounded Brady all day, the trick is to do it while they still have the ball, which we don't.

Snake Eyes said:

BS, the Dolphins pounded Brady all day, the trick is to do it while they still have the ball, which we don't.

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Oh, the melodrama. It's one bad half of one game.

TomPatriot said:

Oh, the melodrama. It's one bad half of one game.

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No, your point is simply incorrect, don't try to blame the lack of QB pressure on the rules, it's been a very consistent problem with the Pats for many years.

The offensive line will improve.

I still think they are experimenting with the best group of guys depending on opponent, and will find it.

The Defense was given no favors by the offense. I didn't think we called enough blitzes the defense which was suppose to be dominant is what let me down.

Being gashed by the run was the most surprising single thing to me.

Vince is just getting back Into game shape is want to give it a few weeks before I jump to conclusions.

On the other hand, how depressing we didn't get Moreno when it was said it was all locked up. He was the difference between a W and a L; his hard running ignited that whole team.

This is what Ridley could and should be.

Paging Incognito, and I'm not even joking; let's get some nastiness on the line.

BradyFTW! said:

It came down the lines, as everyone's already said. We know there's plenty of talent on the DL, so I'm honestly not that worried there.

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I disagree that there's "plenty of talent on the DL"

Chandler Jones will be better than he was today. But Ninkovich is adequate with some very good games and some games where he gets blown off the line. The interior players are a mess. Wilfork was getting handled today and looked like early (pre-injury) 2013 Wilfork (not a very good player) and not 2012 elite Wilfork. Easley was invisible other than his penalty and probably won't add much to the run D. Vellano, Siliga and Chris Jones (when he plays) are backup players at best and practice squad/waiver wire type guys at worst.

I don't see "plenty of talent" if you're comparing the Pats DL to other top teams. I see one very good DE who has been miscast as a 5-technique. I see one declining NT who no longer demands double teams and was handled one-on-one by a mediocre (at best) Miami OG. I see one underweight rookie DT who clearly needs to acclimate to the NFL game and probably bulk up a bit. I see one adequate DE miscast as a 3-4 OLB. And then I see the same pile of trash they lined up last year.

How can anyone look at essentially the same DL that was piss-poor last year and say it has "plenty" of talent? The hope was that Wilfork would defy age and the historical trend for guys coming back from Achilles injuries and prove that the first few games of 2013 were a fluke. I didn't see that today. And nobody should be surprised that Vellano and Siliga were getting easily moved around.

If the plan for improving the DL this year is hoping Easley can be a savior, the Pats DL is in trouble. It's that simple. It was a weakness last year even when Wilfork was healthy and they did virtually nothing to improve the run D aspect of the line.

That offensive line looked like the worst in the league. It was 2011 Dallas bad, 2012 Jets bad.

It was bad.

Bad, bad, bad.

TonyTucker said:

Career playoff performances from crud like Mark Sanchez (127 QB rating!?), Eli Manning (completed 75 percent of his passes and kept the defense on the field the whole game), Jump Ball Joe Flacco (3 TD's, no picks). How does a defensive genius get his butt kicked routinely by these terrible QB's?

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Gee.. Maybe because it's the players who play the actual game. Or is that too much for you to comprehend.