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Ryan was our #3 corner last year behind Talib and Dennard.

Ryan has regressed if he is #3 behind Revis and Dennard.

Ryan has regressed even more if he is #4 behind Revis, Dennard and Browner.
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DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE?

I am not sure when I said I would fire the coaches, I asked the question there is a major difference between posing a question and asserting that you would do something. For some reason you consistently overlook that difference and see what you want to see in posts.

As far as talent goes, if a player is productive as a rookie and then returns for his second season, is not any better, and has actually regressed, that is not an indication of lack of talent, that is an indication of poor coaching and development by the staff. Logan Ryan was the #3 CB and Duron Harmon was the #3 safety last season, they should be better in year 2, not worse, and if they are not that responsibility, falls on the coaching staff in my opinion. For Tavon Wilson to play in 16 games have 41 tackles, 4 interceptions, 6 pass defensed, and 2 fumble recoveries as a rookie only to show up for year 2 and play 18 defensive snaps, that is a problem, because he has shown the talent to make plays in the NFL.


This does not have anything to do with the development of our players. You are trying to shift the focus somewhere else, this is not a question of does are secondary do a good job, it is a question of why are second year DBs show up as worse players than they were as rookies.

They also have plenty to work with the secondary consists of 6 players selected in the first 3 rounds of the draft.
 
One question is whether these players are starter level talents. Either or both may start today, or not.
Either could be #4 on the depth charts of their position today, or not.

When you say these players are solid, I presume that you mean that they are good enough to be productive as part of a top 10, or even top 5 defense. Is that what you mean?
"Starter level talents" is becoming a meaningless term to me, MG, given the way they play defense these days. Who's a starter when 5 DB's on the field is the norm and 6 is becoming more common.

Quality depth is perhaps a better term, and I think the Pats have that in spades this year. There are really only about 10-15 true "all pro level" DB's in the entire league, and we are very lucky to have 2 of them on our team. Everybody else are good players with flaws. Ryan's flaw is top end speed and man coverage skills (to this point) He may improve on his man coverage skills as he never had to use them in college, but he'll never have top end speed. But when you think on it, neither does Revis.

The thing is we don't need him to be another Revis. We need him to become another Dennard and I think he already has.
 
Ryan was our #3 corner last year behind Talib and Dennard.

Ryan has regressed if he is #3 behind Revis and Dennard.

Ryan has regressed even more if he is #4 behind Revis, Dennard and Browner.
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DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE?
Browner is suspended. He has nothing to do with this discussion or the current state of the CB depth chart. Ryan has regressed if he is behind Malcolm Butler and Kyle Arrington. I am not sure what part of my post OP you did not understand but you should read my OP again before you post again because you are not making sense at all here.
 
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Browner is suspended. He has nothing to do with this discussion or the current state of the CB depth chart. Ryan has regressed if he is behind Malcolm Butler and Kyle Arrington. I am not sure what part of my post OP you did not understand but you should read my OP again before you post again because you are not making sense at all here.

Ryan is no more "behind" Arrington than he was last year. And it possible that Butler is just really good.

His play will determine whether Ryan has regressed, not his place on the depth chart.
 
Dennard did not regress from year 1 to year 2.
Harmon may start
Ryan may start and if not he is right where he was last year behind revis/Talib and Dennard and maybe or maybe not Arrington.
As stayed let's let them at least play the first game before declaring them declined.
Fail thread.
First Dennard had a higher completion percentage against, a higher QB rating against, less interceptions, and just 1 more pass defenses in 2013 than he did in 2012 despite playing in 3 more games and being on the field for 139 more snaps. He may not have regressed but he certainly did not make any second year leap.

Tavon Wilson went from playing 50% of the teams defensive snaps to playing a total of 18.

McCourty, Butler, Wheatley, Wilhite, and others have had a lack of development. Yet you call this a failed thread.. .:rolleyes:
 
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