Patriots No. 1 team in Boston and New England

Massachusetts native here, and the Red Sox could get moved to Toronto and it wouldn't affect me in the slightest.

There's football, and then there's the off season.

shmessy said:

With the Globe it is corporate policy and it infects all sections of the paper, including it's Editorial section, Business section, Metro section and most virulently - - their Sunday magazine. The situation is pretty well known amongst local readers.

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OK, so that's them. Why would it affect how someone here feels about a sport, or a team?

betterthanthealternative said:

OK, so that's them. Why would it affect how someone here feels about a sport, or a team?

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Jackson2 wrote:

"I'd really like to know what truly motivates anyone to feel the need to denigrate any of our local teams vs.others. I'm guessing we all have teams, owners, players, fan bases, etc. that we like and dislike more than others. When the argument can be made that every one of our teams is, has been, and will be again elite and make us proud, why the need to pit one against the others? What's the motivation to, out of the blue, without evident provocation, dump on a team and, as a byproduct, its fans? There are people whose opinions I genuinely respect and enjoy reading (yes, you Tunescribe) who seem to be always part of this stuff and I really don't know why that is."

I responded:

"Why don't you ask the Boston Globe.

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The Red Sox own the Globe. When you say "OK, so that's them. Why would it affect how someone here feels about a sport, or a team?", you do not understand that people tend to naturally get pissed off at the subsidiary of a corporate parent that maligns another business that you support.

1 +1 = 2

Simple as that.

shmessy said:

The difference is that, with the Herald, the anti-Patriot bias is not systemic - - it comes from certain individuals. The Herald is the Isle of Lost Toys - - the screw ups end up there and do what they do best - - screw up. (And, btw, Massarotti has been with the Globe since 2008).

With the Globe it is corporate policy and it infects all sections of the paper, including it's Editorial section, Business section, Metro section and most virulently - - their Sunday magazine.

The situation is pretty well known amongst local readers.

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Look, I suspect that most people's vitriol toward the Boston dailies is rooted in their political leanings. My point is that neither paper's reporters/columnists are fair when it comes to Kraft and the team. I have exchanged emails with Bob Ryan and Shaughnessy about their anti-Pats bias. I will tell you that, while dislike Shank more, at least he had the courtesy to call me about my message. Ryan was as dismissive and rude as anyone could possibly be. Anyway, my point is that the antiPats media bias is indeed systemic, and not exclusive to either paper.

PATS16N0 said:

Massachusetts native here, and the Red Sox could get moved to Toronto and it wouldn't affect me in the slightest.

There's football, and then there's the off season.

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I'm happy for you.

Jackson 2 said:

Look, I suspect that most people's vitriol toward the Boston dailies is rooted in their political leanings. My point is that neither paper's reporters/columnists are fair when it comes to Kraft and the team. I have exchanged emails with Bob Ryan and Shaughnessy about their anti-Pats bias. I will tell you that, while dislike Shank more, at least he had the courtesy to call me about my message. Ryan was as dismissive and rude as anyone could possibly be. Anyway, my point is that the antiPats media bias is indeed systemic, and not exclusive to either paper.

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1) Regarding your first sentence: For me, I can personally vouch that your suspicion is wrong. But this shouldn't veer into politics. I'm just stating that my vitriol towards the Boston Globe is 100% because of their treatment of the Patriots and Bob Kraft and not because of politics.

2) Regarding your last sentence: Look, most everyone posting here knows the whole story about the Globe's systemic and comprehensive opposition to Bob Kraft and the New England Patriots. Obviously you don't. There are literally tens and tens of threads in the archive here going into more detail than most of us can take on the subject (and, yes, I have been one of the more guilty contributors to overcrowding on it). If you don't know about it, the info is there.

shmessy said:

1) Regarding your first sentence: For me, I can personally vouch that your suspicion is wrong. But this shouldn't veer into politics. I'm just stating that my vitriol towards the Boston Globe is 100% because of their treatment of the Patriots and Bob Kraft and not because of politics.

2) Regarding your last sentence: Look, most everyone posting here knows the whole story about the Globe's systemic and comprehensive opposition to Bob Kraft and the New England Patriots. Obviously you don't. There are literally tens and tens of threads in the archive here going into more detail than most of us can take on the subject (and, yes, I have been one of the more guilty contributors to overcrowding on it). If you don't know about it, the info is there.

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You, are a poster with whom I often agree. But, please don't tell me that I'm obviously someone who doesn't know about the Globe's animosity toward the Patriots. Tell me you think that's the case (you're wrong) and I'm OK with it. Please don't tell me you know without reservation. My point,redundantly, is that both papers dislike both the owner and the team. Why people keep attributing that dislike to just the Globe is puzzling to me.

Jackson 2 said:

You, are a poster with whom I often agree. But, please don't tell me that I'm obviously someone who doesn't know about the Globe's animosity toward the Patriots. Tell me you think that's the case (you're wrong) and I'm OK with it. Please don't tell me you know without reservation. My point,redundantly, is that both papers dislike both the owner and the team. Why people keep attributing that dislike to just the Globe is puzzling to me.

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Because the Globe is owned by Bankofamericasox owner John Henry and consistently snide, anti-Patriots/anti-football "coverage" has expanded from the sports pages to ALL sections of the paper -- including business, lifestyle and the Sunday magazine -- since he took control. It is a matter if covert editorial policy. If that's "puzzling" to you, you simply haven't been paying attention. And if anyone is actively invested in Pats vs. Sox No. 1 status in Boston, it's Henry's camp to the point of being downright slimy about it.

convinced now more than ever that Baseball should only be acknowledged during the pennant race and playoffs. Half the damn games are meaningless and it shows in the product on the field. Players couldn't give a **** if they tried from March-August. Then things pick up and start to seem meaningful. We all ***** and moan about the long NFL offseason but the reality is, its what makes the regular season so exciting.

Brady_to_Moss said:

what does it mean when they have 3 balls?

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It means they grew up too close to a power plant.

Although, they could always make some money in porn, or at least the circus.

Lifelong fan of the Pats, Sawx, B's and Tics.

Voracious media absorber for 5 decades. I call a spade a spade, period.

Bob Ryan? you expect him to take time out from enlarging his already gorged alky red veined nose to REPLY to on of the great unwashed? Read his work when he was viable...read younger and far less full of himself...and full of vodka.He bores me now.

Shankanancy? Give him the guest house on the Kennedy compound in Hyannis, some IZOD shirts and boat shoes and surround him with his own college fraternity pics and the phone number of his first and ONLY GF.,,,you wouldn't have to read anything of his for months because there would be none. When a SPORTSWRITER fancies himself a Pulitzer Prize winner he's probably got a bad case of narcissistic personality disorder. C'mon...

Borgy the plaigerist...I can read Ron's work and still do because he's a talented sports writer. I could never sit down with him and have a beer because I'd end up punching him in the face. He's the kind of guy with that blinking neon sign tattooed on his forehead that says "kick me hard"...

I like and respect Curran...some don't...some take him wrong 100% of the time. He's not afraid of controversy and not afraid of stepping on his d!ck now and then...aren't we all sorta like this ourselves in real life?

I detest corporate heavy handedness, especially when it's so stupid, so ridiculously unaware that it makes one THINK ABOUT turning them off. Example 1...Mike Salk....WHAT THE EFF WAS THAT????? How could EEI's parent company ever even entertain such an azz backwards hire? I actually thought the space aliens had finally infiltrated our society with clones. Jeezus, talk about wrong market, wrong personality profile, wrong year, wrong time slot ,.wrong wrong wrong.

I used to despise Jim Donaldson (ProJo) until it dawned on me he was nothing more than a cheap Job Lot knockoff of Shankanancy.

Here's the thing...you CAN write to the fans, and take shots at the teams as long as you are perceived as ONE OF US...Ryan, Shanks.et al...these guys are ONE OF THEM.They have taken their careers down the path to caricature land.

Tunescribe said:

Because the Globe is owned by Bankofamericasox owner John Henry and consistently snide, anti-Patriots/anti-football "coverage" has expanded from the sports pages to ALL sections of the paper -- including business, lifestyle and the Sunday magazine -- since he took control. It is a matter if covert editorial policy. If that's "puzzling" to you, you simply haven't been paying attention. And if anyone is actively invested in Pats vs. Sox No. 1 status in Boston, it's Henry's camp to the point of being downright slimy about it.

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Frankly, I think there are things I've been paying attention to which amount to time and energy poorly spent.

Jackson 2 said:

Frankly, I think there are things I've been paying attention to which amount to time and energy poorly spent.

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Likewise.

I don't get the Globe but I do peruse the Boston.com Sports section....and I have been pleasantly surprised by Boston.com's willingness to hammer the Saux over their inept 2014. So my question......is the tone of coverage completely different print vs online?

borg said:

I don't get the Globe but I do peruse the Boston.com Sports section....and I have been pleasantly surprised by Boston.com's willingness to hammer the Saux over their inept 2014. So my question......is the tone of coverage completely different print vs online?

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You need to peruse the entire paper, not just the sports section. Much of the pointedly anti-Patriots material shows up where you don't expect it.

Brady_to_Moss said:

If they have a QB that can win games...of course they will stay #1....they have tony romo back there....droooooop

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The NFL is #1 everywhere while MLB is dying everywhere. Baseball will probably always be more popular sport in Boston than most areas of the country, but kids just don't care about baseball anymore. It is boring to them and they would rather play soccer or lacrosse.

Unless something radically changes in the near future with the popularity of the NFL, the Pats will be the #1 team in this town for the foreseeable future no matter who the QB is.

The Red Sox will continue to drop in popularity as the fans get older and older and die off while fewer younger fans take their place.

borg said:

I don't get the Globe but I do peruse the Boston.com Sports section....and I have been pleasantly surprised by Boston.com's willingness to hammer the Saux over their inept 2014. So my question......is the tone of coverage completely different print vs online?

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They couldn't not hammer the Sox this season. It was an epic bad season.

The media in general refused to accept that the Sox had no shot earlier this season and were advocating them to load up to make a run for the playoffs just weeks before the trade deadline.

shmessy said:

Maybe you missed it, but they have won 3 since he was traded.

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Yup, they did.

After winning the first of the three, RS fans around Boston went to cemeteries to place red sox hats on the tombstones of loved ones.

Yes, that is a fanbase that has jumped ship.

shmessy said:

You can't tell the story about Boston without including the Mayor Curley, Whitey Bulger and Dapper O'Neil.

None of them mean a damn thing in 2014 or the future either.

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The Red Sox will there in the future that is for sure. They are part of Boston like Fenway. Their history is legendary even when they lose.

Tunescribe said:

You need to peruse the entire paper, not just the sports section. Much of the pointedly anti-Patriots material shows up where you don't expect it.

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Exactly.

To the folks who aren't familiar with the situation, the argument with the Globe (and what makes its coverage of the Patriots so completely different from that of the Herald) is that it extends FAR beyond the Sports section. Sports columnists are supposed to be critical of a home team (and the Globe's take on the Sox all the time too, as is normal).

The Herald's Editorialists do not hammer the Patriots. You won't find Belichick being compared to other "famous sore losers" like Whitey Bulger or Richard Nixon in the Herald's Living section. You won't find an all-out hit job of Bob Kraft in the Herald's Sunday Magazine.

Don't forget the Jihad against Bob Kraft in the 90's wasn't lead just by Will McDonough. It was led by Mike Barnicle, Charles Pierce and David Nyhan.

THAT is the difference.