J.J. Watt is getting paid

MrNathanDrake said:

He deserves it.

He's the best defensive player in the NFL.

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He might be the best player in all of football never mind just defense.

signbabybrady said:

He might be the best player in all of football never mind just defense.

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That's an interesting thought. Would you rate him as high as *spit* Manning, or Brady, or Rodgers? Megatron? Purple Jesus? Gronk?

It's a very interesting comparison.

BritPat said:

That's an interesting thought. Would you rate him as high as *spit* Manning, or Brady, or Rodgers? Megatron? Purple Jesus? Gronk?

It's a very interesting comparison.

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If you adjust for importance of position then JJ is the best in the league. Basically I think his skill at his position far exceeds his peers at his position more than any other.
Even without this adjustment you have to rate him pretty high right there with the QBs. I don't think Gronk nor Megatron belong that high.

He can stock up on the 'roids now.

ausbacker said:

I wouldn't have thought so. Revis is best utilized at CB. Watt can play as a 4-3 DT/DE, a 34 DE and I hazard a thought that you could bulk him up to 310 and play him as an undersized DT in the 34.

Frankly, the guy is a freak. That's not to say Revis isn't a freak but I'm not sure he would be as effective playing Safety as he is playing Corner. 15-16 million sounds reasonable.

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Can Watt play QB?

signbabybrady said:

If you adjust for importance of position then JJ is the best in the league. Basically I think his skill at his position far exceeds his peers at his position more than any other.
Even without this adjustment you have to rate him pretty high right there with the QBs. I don't think Gronk nor Megatron belong that high.

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If you adjust for importance of the position, you have to put QBs in all the top slots.

TinhWoodhead said:

He can stock up on the 'roids now.

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That's an odd thing to say. Do you legitimately believe Watt is on 'roids?

He's worth it. He hasn't shown any signs that he's a head case like Haynesworth, he's lived through good seasons and bad seasons, and he is equally effective against run and pass (unlike Mario Williams, who is pretty much just a pass rusher). I'm not sure this quite sets a market for Jones when he's due, as Watt is more of an interior player who sometimes kicks inside. Jones is an outside player who occasionally kicks inside. They tend to have different market scales.

Good for Watt, he deserves it. It's a treat watching him play.

Brady6 said:

I hope Belichick will because most likely it will take close to what Watt received to retain Chandler Jones.

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I like Chandler, but he isn't nearly the player Watt is. Not yet, anyway.

Barring a major uptick, if he asked for that kind of dough it would take Bill three nanoseconds to make his decision.

If there's anyone who's earned that kind of contract, it's him.

Per a source with knowledge of the deal, Watt will receive $30.87 million fully guaranteed at signing. The source says that the balance converts at the beginning of the 2016 league year.

Which means that, after two more seasons, $51.876 million will be fully guaranteed for Watt.

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$30.87 million fully guaranteed for Watt | ProFootballTalk

AndyJohnson said:

If you adjust for importance of the position, you have to put QBs in all the top slots.

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I meant that in the opposite direction take out the importance of each position. We always rate QBs best in the NFL because their position is more important but if you take that out of the equation and just focus on how good a player is compared to his peers at the same position than I think Watt represents the largest difference in talent between himself and his peers.

Oswlek said:

I like Chandler, but he isn't nearly the player Watt is. Not yet, anyway.

Barring a major uptick, if he asked for that kind of dough it would take Bill three nanoseconds to make his decision.

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There really isn't anyone comparable to Watt at his position because he can line up all over the place. That defensive front is shaped around Watt's abilities. We will never do the same for Chandler Jones because he's never going to play 3 tech or 1 tech (other than 3rd and long). The next most disruptive player after Watt is Robert Quinn, but it still isn't even a close comparison because Quinn only plays 4-3 DE. I still need to see one more crazy season out of Quinn before I crown him anyway. Remember when we thought Jason Pierre-Paul was the best DE in the NFL? lol...

Oswlek said:

I like Chandler, but he isn't nearly the player Watt is. Not yet, anyway.

Barring a major uptick, if he asked for that kind of dough it would take Bill three nanoseconds to make his decision.

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I agree he is not that type of player, but if he continues to develop has he has in his first 2 years he very well could be, combine his improvement with the uptake in defensive contracts and we will be faced with a decision, maybe not that much, but a substantial investment.

KontradictioN said:

That's an odd thing to say. Do you legitimately believe Watt is on 'roids?

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I'm more inclined to say he's on roids more so than he isn't.

But then again, I think almost all of these guys are on some type of PED. There's just no way human beings can be that fast, that big, and heal from injuries that quick naturally.

That said, it's a level playing field so I don't care.

Yeah, but...can he rush the passer?

MrNathanDrake said:

He's only 24. Clean history and high character. Hard worker. There's no reason for his play to fall off. If anything, it might get better with Clowney on the same Dline.

This is the type of player GM's don't mind paying because their isn't a huge risk to go along with it. He's the complete opposite of Albert Haynesworth.

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Yep, he's everything you want in a player and if he continues down this road it will end in Canton, however much can happen between now and the end of his career and we have seen many players start down that road and never make it. in Watt's case it looks like the only thing that could derail him is injury so hopefully he can have a healthy career and get there in the end. Contracts like that should only be going to the best player's and he deserves what he's getting.

Sicilian said:

He's worth it. He hasn't shown any signs that he's a head case like Haynesworth, he's lived through good seasons and bad seasons, and he is equally effective against run and pass (unlike Mario Williams, who is pretty much just a pass rusher). I'm not sure this quite sets a market for Jones when he's due, as Watt is more of an interior player who sometimes kicks inside. Jones is an outside player who occasionally kicks inside. They tend to have different market scales.

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This shouldn't set the market for Jones. Jones is on his way to becoming a great player but Watt is significantly better than Jones at this point. That may change in the near future but Jones will need to raise his level of consistent excellence a rung or two to compete with Watt.

He's a monster but they still picked #1. But i guess Watt's the kind of talent you can't let go.