Curran: Brady 'almost certainly' gone before 2017

With good health he's around in 2017

JR4 said:

You are right. I should have said "assume Tom Brady would be on the roster to play the 2017 season".
That assumption made because if Tom gets a career ending injury before his contract is up
no decision need be made.

BTW, I think Curran was meaning gone before the first game of the 2017 season if a trade was to be done.

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His entire salary is guaranteed at the end of this season. He will have to agree to a trade and a division 1-AA player will have to progress to being better than a 38-39 year old Brady.

I think curran's article is trash. Now after 2017, as you pointed out, a whole new circumstance arises, but Brady and Kraft renegotiated so that there's little or no advantage to getting rid of Brady before then. He holds all the cards.

Brady6 said:

You did not answer the question, O answered the question, you side stepped it with an “I do not” line like you always do when I put you on the spot. You take issue with my posts dispute what I say but you do not have another opinion, you just have an issue with mine. I think that before you dispute others opinions you should form your own first.

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It's a childish question. "Daddy, what if there was no air?" I can't eliminate and replace players, then extrapolate how every other factor on the team reacts. If you can, good luck to you.

RayClay said:

His entire salary is guaranteed at the end of this season. He will have to agree to a trade and a division 1-AA player will have to progress to being better than a 38-39 year old Brady.

I think curran's article is trash. Now after 2017, as you pointed out, a whole new circumstance arises, but Brady and Kraft renegotiated so that there's little or no advantage to getting rid of Brady. He holds all the cards.

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OTOH, his contract also make him more readily tradable, since he doesn't have enormous salaries in the back years.

RayClay said:

It's a childish question. "Daddy, what if there was no air?" I can't eliminate and replace players, then extrapolate how every other factor on the team reacts. If you can, good luck to you.

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I disagree; if we had no air we would die, it is very simple. You side step questions like these because you want to shoot down the opinions of others just because you do not like the sound of them all while never offering an opinion on the situation yourself. This allows you to take issue with just about anyone’s opinion because you have not committed to anything. From now on if you want to disagree with something I write that is fine, but I expect you to have your own opinion that you are going to share and not just disparage mine to fill your time.

Brady6 said:

I disagree; if we had no air we would die, it is very simple. You side step questions like these because you want to shoot down the opinions of others just because you do not like the sound of them all while never offering an opinion on the situation yourself. This allows you to take issue with just about anyone’s opinion because you have not committed to anything. From now on if you want to disagree with something I write that is fine, but I expect you to have your own opinion that you are going to share and not just disparage mine to fill your time.

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All right, you would die. Any other questions?

ctpatsfan77 said:

OTOH, his contract also make him more readily tradable, since he doesn't have enormous salaries in the back years.

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Except he wouldn't have to go to any team he didn't like, because he could retire and collect all his money.

Brady6 said:

........From now on if you want to disagree with something I write that is fine, but I expect you to have your own opinion that you are going to share and not just disparage mine to fill your time.

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I'm pretty sure RayClay will do what's best for him......and the team.

Clonamery said:

I'm pretty sure RayClay will do what's best for him......and the team.

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Of course. Whatever gives me the best chance to win.

Clonamery said:

I'm pretty sure RayClay will do what's best for him......and the team.

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I do not know what that has to do with what I wrote. I am pretty sure everyone on this board would do what is right for them and the team.

Brady6 said:

Brady was 25/31 80.6%, 285 yards, 9.2 average, 3 touchdowns, 1 interception, 123.8 QB rating this preseason, I cannot even believe replacing Brady with Garopollo or anyone else is even being discussed right now. He took a roster of UDFA and street free agents to the AFCCG last year, he is not going anywhere until at least 2018.

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I think you're optimistic about 2018. I don't think he plays past 40.

It's on the horizon...the forseeably horizon...therefore it will get discussed.

RayClay said:

All right, you would die. Any other questions?

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Just the one that you did not answer yesterday.

UK_Pat37 said:

I think you're optimistic about 2018. I don't think he plays past 40.

It's on the horizon...the forseeably horizon...therefore it will get discussed.

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I think it is fine to discuss it, I just think it is silly to assume that Garopollo is here to replace him. Our last backup QB was selected #74 and Garopollo was selected #62, that 12-pick variance just does not scream “drafted to replace Brady”.

Brady6 said:

Just the one that you did not answer yesterday.

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Ask again, I promise I'll give an appropriate answer.

Brady6 said:

I think it is fine to discuss it, I just think it is silly to assume that Garopollo is here to replace him. Our last backup QB was selected #74 and Garopollo was selected #62, that 12-pick variance just does not scream “drafted to replace Brady”.

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Brady's replacement would have been absolutely in their minds at this stage...Brady is 37 years old. It isn't unreasonable to suggest that they believe with a couple of year's tuition that Garoppolo will be their man going forward.

It isn't unreasonable to think that at 39/40 Brady might drop off suddenly with age. It happens to the greatest players.

RayClay said:

Ask again, I promise I'll give an appropriate answer.

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It is in the thread, read it if you want, I do not really care. I will be talking about football, TTYL.

Brady6 said:

It is in the thread, read it if you want, I do not really care. I will be talking about football, TTYL.

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If you don't care, why have you brought it up 3-4 times?

UK_Pat37 said:

Brady's replacement would have been absolutely in their minds at this stage...Brady is 37 years old. It isn't unreasonable to suggest that they believe with a couple of year's tuition that Garoppolo will be their man going forward.

It isn't unreasonable to think that at 39/40 Brady might drop off suddenly with age. It happens to the greatest players.

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When fans consider Brady being shipped out of town, they lean on Montana being traded to Kansas City, they overlook that Montana missed all of 1991 and 1992 due to an elbow injury; it was during that time that Young took over the team. They also lean on Favre, once again overlooking that Favre retired from the Packers at the end of 2007, and then he decided to come out of retirement with the Jets. Neither of those teams forced their current starting HOF QB out the door unwillingly. Even Manning was cut after missing an entire season due to the neck injury. There has never been a team that pushed their HOF QB out the door, not one I can think of anyway, so I highly doubt that the Patriots will do it to Tom Brady.

Brady6 said:

When fans consider Brady being shipped out of town, they lean on Montana being traded to Kansas City, they overlook that Montana missed all of 1991 and 1992 due to an elbow injury; it was during that time that Young took over the team. They also lean on Favre, once again overlooking that Favre retired from the Packers at the end of 2007, and then he decided to come out of retirement with the Jets. Neither of those teams forced their current starting HOF QB out the door unwillingly. Even Manning was cut after missing an entire season due to the neck injury. There has never been a team that pushed their HOF QB out the door, not one I can think of anyway, so I highly doubt that the Patriots will do it to Tom Brady.

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You still didn't really answer the one you replied to.

I agree that Mallett most likely wasn't thougt of as a replacement, Brady was much younger then(yes 3 years in his current age is a lot). But do you seriously believe that they didn't pick Garoppolo with some thought that he might be our future at QB? Brady is 37. Do you not think that the team put any thought into the future after Brady? I believe that they absolutely did.

You seem to believe that the team won't start looking for the future at QB before Brady is done. I think that's incredibly incorrect as that doesn't fit what BB has done before. It goes right against how he has handled everything with players before.

I absolutely believe that when they drafted Garoppolo they had a thought that this might be our future at QB. To not think about your sucessor at a position where your current player is 37 years old would be bad management.

Marinlik said:

You still didn't really answer the one you replied to.

I agree that Mallett most likely wasn't thougt of as a replacement, Brady was much younger then(yes 3 years in his current age is a lot). But do you seriously believe that they didn't pick Garoppolo with some thought that he might be our future at QB? Brady is 37. Do you not think that the team put any thought into the future after Brady? I believe that they absolutely did.

You seem to believe that the team won't start looking for the future at QB before Brady is done. I think that's incredibly incorrect as that doesn't fit what BB has done before. It goes right against how he has handled everything with players before.

I absolutely believe that when they drafted Garoppolo they had a thought that this might be our future at QB. To not think about your sucessor at a position where your current player is 37 years old would be bad management.

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I think that they draft Garopollo with the thought that if something was to happen to Brady in the next 4 seasons he could be our starting QB. I think that if Brady plays out his contract as planned his replacement will be drafted in the 2016 draft, and I think the most likely candidate to carry this team forward after Brady is Christian Hackenberg. I do not think you can expect to replace the GOAT QB with a late second round draft pick, maybe you can get lucky and it will happen but I certainly do not think you make the pick thinking this QB is the replacement for Tom Brady. If he were capable of replacing Brad, he would have been off the board after pick 1.

I think there is a misconception that there is only 1 succession plan, and a fundamental difference between an emergency short-term succession plan and a long-term succession plan. I think Garopollo is a we can make it work with him as are starter if we have to type succession plan if the end accelerates for Brady, but I think there is another more ideal plan if things last as long as planned with Brady; that do not include handing the keys to franchise over to a QB who is already about to turn 28.

In recent memory, Belichick has planned ahead for Green-Ellis, Woodhead, Light, and Spikes. He has done that with what 1 season left on their contracts, which is a lot different from 4 seasons left. He also does not always plan ahead (I am sure he would for the QB) like with Welker, sometimes he plays his hand out in its entirety.