Curran: Brady 'almost certainly' gone before 2017

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:

Exaggerating things isn't a good way to convince those that don't agree with you.

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I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, I am voicing my opinion, take it, leave it, I really do not care.

lol........look at this Frankenstein thread i created......im gonna go bake myself some muffins as a reward

Guys, preseason is over now. No need to fill pages with posts about situations we can't possibly predict to keep us busy in the idle off-season.

Nobody knows what will happen this season, let alone 4 years from now. We've got Brady and Jimmy for the next 4 years. We're ready for Brady to play as a starter or Jimmy to come in whenever necessary. There's no rush to figure it out.

It's onto Miami.

Zeus said:

From an earlier thread ...

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I read an illuminating (and long) commentary from a Cleveland fan several years back. I wish I saved it somewhere because it pretty much invalidated anyone trying to use Bill's Cleveland tenure as proof he isn't that good of a coach.

The long and short of it was that Bill's dour personality lost the media right away, so when the tide of public opinion went against him in the aftermath of Kosar's release, there was no beating back that narrative.

Somewhat back to thread topic. I believe Tom Curran has a valid point of view.

Here is why I believe he may be right.
1. Assuming Tom plays through 2017:
2. In 2017 PATS will have to decide whether to give Tom another contract.
3. Jimmy G's contract also expires after 2017 season.
4. Tom will be 41 years old going into the 2018 season.
5. If Tom gets another contract then Jimmy G most likely is gone.
6. Assume Jimmy G has proven himself very capable of stepping in for Tom.
7. Assume there is no other QB the PATS think can be as good or better than Jimmy G that they can get.
8. Assume there is a team that is close to winning it all and all they need is a quality QB, and would pay dearly to get one.

Then:
I could see PATS, unemotionally, decide to pick up significant assets for a QB that may have only 1 to 4 years left. (like two number ones plus a pro bowl quality player, for example).
This decision would only be easier if the ones who work with Tom daily see a decline in one or more of his abilities - such as the speed of his laser throws.

Other possibilities:
- Tom retires after hearing Bill's "End of career speech" (like Tedy had).
- some other scenario ...

Brady6 said:

Yeah that $375K base salary was way more than he was worth, and the $1.1M cap hit nearly did us in. Brady has never had a cap hit higher than $14,621,320 in his career.

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Cap hit is not the same as market value. Cash pay out is the best indicator to true market value.

robertweathers said:

Cap hit is not the same as market value. Cash pay out is the best indicator to true market value.

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Average salary in a contract is the best indication. Brady makes significantly less than the other top QBs. It is indisputable.

Brady6 said:

Average salary in a contract is the best indication. Brady makes significantly less than the other top QBs. It is indisputable.

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Based on what year? Last year? 2010 in which he was the highest paid player in the NFL? Career?

Brady6 said:

Cassel had played QB in the preseason and at practice for years, he knew the system and had enough talent to be drafted despite being a backup in college, so do not exaggerate this portrayal that Cassel picked up a football for the first time in 9 years in week 1 of 2008, because that is a load of crap. Cassell was throwing to one of the greatest outside receivers of all time and the greatest slot receiver of all time, he had a terrific season and as he proved in 2010 he is capable of being a very good QB without Belichick parting the red sea on the sidelines. In addition only 3 of the wins came against a team with a winning record. For me it is not so clear that Belichick is the most important piece, not even close to clear, as far as agenda goes that is paranoid and baseless, if anyone has an agenda it is you and that is to allow yourself to believe that the team will continue to dominate even without Brady.

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Only you could figure that BB drafting a QB who hadn't STARTED A GAME SINCE HIGH SCHOOL and developing him to the point where he could come in for Brady and take the team to an 11-5 record doesn't reflect well on Belichick.

And yes, we can all see you're entirely agenda free and don't let emotion enter into your opinions. Also, too: Amendola!

Brady6 said:

but to suggest he is a better option than Brady right now is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen written on this board.

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You obviously didn't read my post. But thanks for replying. Seems to be a common theme around here these days unfortunately.

rochrist said:

Only you could figure that BB drafting a QB who hadn't STARTED A GAME SINCE HIGH SCHOOL and developing him to the point where he could come in for Brady and take the team to an 11-5 record doesn't reflect well on Belichick.

And yes, we can all see you're entirely agenda free and don't let emotion enter into your opinions. Also, too: Amendola!

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And then got a 2nd rounder for the QB who went on to have one more half way decent season. Maybe it will come together for him in Minny.

Bruins29 said:

And then got a 2nd rounder for the QB who went on to have one more half way decent season. Maybe it will come together for him in Minny.

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I still think Cassel is a good QB. He was good in 2010 for KC then the wheels came off. Since that time he has been the victim of injuries to key offensive players, bad coaches and freak injuries to his hand and knee.

If you put him in a good system with talent around him and with good coaching, hes a very serviceable QB.

rochrist said:

Only you could figure that BB drafting a QB who hadn't STARTED A GAME SINCE HIGH SCHOOL and developing him to the point where he could come in for Brady and take the team to an 11-5 record doesn't reflect well on Belichick.

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When did I say it did not reflect well? You really should refrain from putting words in my mouth, because it makes you look desperate when you have to take anything I say and exaggerate the **** out of it just to make 1 half decent point. The development of Cassell reflected well on Belichick, it also reflect well on McDaniels who was the OC and QB coach, and Brady who he was able to learn from.

And yes, we can all see you're entirely agenda free and don't let emotion enter into your opinions. Also, too: Amendola!

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My only agenda is to be an objective poster, to see the actualities instead of the hope. Regarding Amendola, bring him into this discussion once again shows desperation in an attempt to discredit me, I would suggest keeping to the subject at hand and arguing based on something other than what you hope happens. For the record though 99.9% of what I say about Amendola is based on getting the Amendolian’s all flustered, after week 6 of last year I opened a thread based on Amendola failing to meet the expectations, at that time I was labeled as the poster who has a jihad against Amendola, so I rolled with it, gave the people what they wanted, and it is comic gold.

Bruins29 said:

And then got a 2nd rounder for the QB who went on to have one more half way decent season. Maybe it will come together for him in Minny.

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His career got derailed playing behind an awful OL in Kansas City, injuries and his lack of confidence in the pocket put him on a downward spiral.

Mogamedogz said:

You obviously didnt read my post. But thanks for replying. Seems to be a common theme around here these days unfortunately.

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I read your post it just did not make sense to me, Brady would have to be in a wheel chair to drop to 50% so rapidly, he trains extremely hard and takes very good care of his body.

I am gonna miss TFB when he retires, it has truly been an amazing ride so far. I think he has a good three years left and until that time I am going to enjoy having him "as my quarterback". Future decisions we will never know, but I do know this year and it will be great to see him start another year for our team. The team looks good this year, there is anticipation building for this 2014 season. Let's all just enjoy the ride...!

"Then:
I could see PATS, unemotionally, decide to pick up significant assets for a QB that may have only 1 to 4 years left. (like two number ones plus a pro bowl quality player, for example)."



The team trading for Brady will have to pay dearly ($) for him. Any team dealing for him would have to be very close. You expect them to cough up a pro bowl player and also two #1's for a guy with maybe 1 or 2 years left? I think your price tag is well too high if it comes to that.

JR4 said:

Somewhat back to thread topic. I believe Tom Curran has a valid point of view.

Here is why I believe he may be right.
1. Assuming Tom plays through 2017
2. in 2017 PATS will have to decide to give Tom another contract
3. Jimmy G's contract also expires after 2017 season
4. Tom will be 41 years old going into the 2018 season.
5. If Tom gets another contract then Jimmy G is gone.( most likely )
6. Assume Jimmy G has proven himself very capable of stepping in for Tom
7. Assume there is no other QB the PATS think can be as good or better than Jimmy G that they can get.
8. Assume there is a team that is close to winning it all and all they need is a quality QB and
would pay dearly to get one.

Then:
I could see PATS, unemotionally, decide to pickup significant assets for a QB that may have
only 1 to 4 years left. ( like 2 number ones plus a pro bowl quality player)
This decision would only be easier if the ones who work with Tom daily see a decline in one or more of
his abilities. Such as the speed of his laser throws.

Other possibilities:
- Tom retires after hearing Bill's "End of career speech" ( Like Teddy had)
- some other scenario ...

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He can't be gone before 2017 and play through 2017. Please read the thread title.

Curran:

Brady's contract runs through 2017, but if Garoppolo continues to develop at his current pace, the Patriots will need to make a decision much sooner than that.

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bagwell368 said:

Then:
I could see PATS, unemotionally, decide to pick up significant assets for a QB that may have only 1 to 4 years left. (like two number ones plus a pro bowl quality player, for example).


The team trading for Brady will have to pay dearly ($) for him. Any team dealing for him would have to be very close. You expect them to cough up a pro bowl player and also two #1's for a guy with maybe 1 or 2 years left? I think your price tag is well too high if it comes to that.

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Maybe it is too high, but this is Tom Brady. How many teams have never won a SuperBowl?
If any one of such teams knew they would have a great chance of winning it all with TB I believe they would give up a lot! And the Fans of such a team would demand it.

RayClay said:

He can't be gone before 2017 and play through 2017. Please read the thread title.

Curran:

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You are right. I should have said "assume Tom Brady would be on the roster to play the 2017 season".
That assumption made because if Tom gets a career ending injury before his contract is up
no decision need be made.

BTW, I think Curran was meaning gone before the first game of the 2017 season if a trade was to be done.