Curran: Brady 'almost certainly' gone before 2017

RayClay · Aug 30, 2014

grux said:
I think this depends on Brady's level of play. If he is still playing at a high level, I could see Kraft overrulling BB. However, if Tom is being stubborn and won't retire even though his skills haver eroded, then they will probably move on.

Teddy Bruschi was asked in his chat how he came to his decision to retire. He said BB sat him down and simply said "it is time". Teddy knew that he wasn't the same player but still tried to talk BB out of his decision. In the end he wanted to retire a Patriot and made the correct decision. I really hope Brady knows when to hang it up and retires a Patriot.

It was past time for Tedy, to be honest. The reason he wasn't cut before is he had a team friendly salary (I believe, I am not Miguel).

Patjew · Aug 30, 2014

Remember when Tom E. predicted Brady would not successfully come back from the 2008 injury? I like Tom's writing and think he's a good guy, but he's not clairvoyant.

I strongly feel like Brady is the one and only guy that Kraft would overrule BB about jettisoning. Not forever, of course, but for a while. Kraft most Likely cares more about Brady as the face of the franchise and everything that comes with that than BB does. It also seems like Kraft legitimately feels fatherly towards Brady.

Patradomous · Aug 30, 2014

FYI - The earliest date that Brady can be traded AND the Patriots will save cap space is June 2, 2015. Since Brady's future salaries will be guaranteed if he is on the roster at the end of the year (confirmed by Jason Fitzgerald and Joel Corry) there is no date that the Patriots will save cap space by cutting Brady.

You gotta ask who looked more like an NFL ready QB this preseason Jimmy G or John Manziel? Did jimmy G look better than Brady did his first preseason in 2000? As I recall Jim G. looked way better.
Could Jimmy start for a number of NFL teams right now as a starter? Hell yeah.

Now I'm not sure but I believe that Brady would have been your starting QB in 2002 if Bledsoe did not get hurt in 2001.
If same progression holds true regarding Tom. That would make Jimmy G. ready to roll 2016 if his learning curve holds true.And yeah I get it. Tom is no Drew and Jimmy is no Tom.
But there is no reason to doubt BB word when he says "he is doing whats best for the team" he means it.
He did it in Cleveland to a QB and he did it here.And he is not adverse to pulling the trigger a year early as opposed to a year late.Based on what we know right now . I believe Tom last year as a Patriot is 2015.

SB39 · Aug 30, 2014

A prediction like this is beyond worthless. These guys have no clue regarding what we are doing with Mallett today so don't tell me you know what is going on with Brady 3 years from now.

Patradomous · Aug 30, 2014

A prediction like this is beyond worthless. These guys have no clue regarding what we are doing with Malletttoday so don't tell me you know what is going on with Brady 3 years from now.

Yeah so what. Its still fun. As far as Mallet goes. I believe they will keep him on the roster for trade bait by week 4 there almost certain to be complete failures or injuries to QB's.

james87654 · Aug 30, 2014

Patjew said:
Remember when Tom E. predicted Brady would not successfully come back from the 2008 injury? I like Tom's writing and think he's a good guy, but he's not clairvoyant.

I strongly feel like Brady is the one and only guy that Kraft would overrule BB about jettisoning. Not forever, of course, but for a while. Kraft most Likely cares more about Brady as the face of the franchise and everything that comes with that than BB does. It also seems like Kraft legitimately feels fatherly towards Brady.

Patjew......im honored that you decided to post on my thread.....please know that i intentionally post in a provocative and jack-ass like way sometimes......i just cant help myself.....i have issues.....

i think the older Tom gets and the more father time inevitably catches up with him, the less likely Kraft would overrule BB......but if Brady were to have another great year and BB tried to trade him next year, i could see what you are saying

just my opinion

Hart Lee Chung · Aug 30, 2014

BB ALWAYS throws a curve ball. I bet TB and BB both are out the same year.

RayClay · Aug 30, 2014

Miguel [QUOTE="Miguel said:
He becomes tradeable on June 2, 2015. A trade then would save space on both the 2015 and 2016 cap.

Would it save enough space to offset the loss of a top starting QB? In other words, could you explain the extension he signed to keep him a Patriot and not susceptible to a Peyton Manning situation?

I thought I read his salary is 100% guaranteed in case of injury, is that true?

SB39 · Aug 30, 2014

MassPats38 said:
And the core of the team he built didn't win the Super Bowl as the Ravens in 2000.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or serious. It sounds like you're being sarcastic, but your statement here is 100% the literal truth. The core of the Ravens championship team - both coaching and players - was completely turned over in the 5 years since Belichick had been fired.

MassPats38 said:
You can tie single great players to pretty much any great coach. Vince Lombardi had Bart Starr for every NFL success he enjoyed, so why is the Super Bowl trophy named after that chump? He did nothing without Starr.

Many great coaches have the same association with a single player (usually but not always a QB).

The simple fact of the matter is that he has a career sub-500 records and 1 playoff victory in 7 years of coaching without Brady. Even if you want to give him a couple mulligans for various circumstances, you still aren't talking about a particularly noteworthy record.

Patjew · Aug 30, 2014

james87654 said:
Patjew......im honored that you decided to post on my thread.....please know that i intentionally post in a provocative and jack-ass like way sometimes......i just cant help myself.....i have issues.....

i think the older Tom gets and the more father time inevitably catches up with him, the less likely Kraft would overrule BB......but if Brady were to have another great year and BB tried to trade him next year, i could see what you are saying

just my opinion

James, it's a very dubious honor for me to post in a thread! I'm only a stupid fan with little football smarts. But I think this is a good interesting thread, actually. It's something I've thought about a lot actually. That's kind of sad maybe.

I think Brady is a very self-aware guy whose legacy is important to him, so I cannot imagine him wanting to stick around to the point where he's so ineffective that BB wants to get rid of him AND Kraft agrees with it. That would have to be some Babe Ruth on the Boston Braves kinda stuff. Double standards do exist and I think TFB has earned his with Kraft.

Of course that's just my opinion too.

SB39 · Aug 30, 2014

Patradomous said:
Yeah so what. Its still fun.

Sure it's fun to discuss but I am not exactly circling the date on my calendar.

Patradomous said:
As far as Mallet goes. I believe they will keep him on the roster for trade bait by week 4 there almost certain to be complete failures or injuries to QB's.

I don't believe Belichick would give a guy a roster spot for 7th round "trade bait" a month from now, just like I don't believe those who said he would keep him on the roster all season so they get a 7th round compensatory.

Patradomous · Aug 30, 2014

The thing is if Jimmy G. is in fact their man going forward it would mean that they will want to sew up a new contract for a lot of years sooner than later. Which will require huge #1 QB up front money, and there is no way they will keep two QB's at number 1 money.

Patradomous · Aug 30, 2014

don't believe Belichick would give a guy a roster spot for 7th round "trade bait" a month from now.

You are probably right I have no idea what if anyhis value would be.

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! · Aug 30, 2014

Brady6 said:
Tom Brady will retire from the Patriots when he is ready, he will not be pushed out the door. Curran is overacting to a decent preseason by a rookie QB and the fact Belichick traded an aging and overpaid OG that less than 5 years ago held out and called the Patriots liars.

Belichick is a great coach, he does many things very well but he has achieved nothing in head coaching career without Tom Brady, and frankly there is nothing to suggest he would, last season the Patriots would have went 3-13 without Brady out there, maybe 4-12 at best. Look at the schedule and the win margin – http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/2013.htm. They would have won against Tampa, Baltimore, and Buffalo maybe at Pittsburg, outside of that they would have lost, I can almost guarantee it, I cannot even believe this is being suggested by Curran. Brady is underpaid and the best at what he does, if Belichick wanted to move away from that my level of admiration for him would drop to null.

I do not want to hear about 2008 either, because that team won 5 less games than it did the year before with essentially the same roster, actually some improvements in certain areas and players like Moss and Welker with a second year in the system. If you shave 5 wins off are records over the past 5 years we would have went –

2013 – 7-9
2012 – 7-9
2011 – 8-8
2010 – 9-7
2009 – 5-11

I am losing a lot of respect for Curran lately, he used to be a solid reporter, now he is becoming the US Weekly of football reporting.

Completely agree about the overreaction bit. The rest of what you wrote is on the same level as Curran. Disparaging BB to try to further your Brady cause is lazy and detracts from your point.

jays52 · Aug 30, 2014

Props to Curran for knowing how to bang out a piece of clickbait to keep his higher ups happy.

RobertWeathers · Aug 30, 2014

Patjew said:
I strongly feel like Brady is the one and only guy that Kraft would overrule BB about jettisoning. Not forever, of course, but for a while. Kraft most Likely cares more about Brady as the face of the franchise and everything that comes with that than BB does. It also seems like Kraft legitimately feels fatherly towards Brady.

If the scenario plays out as you say, BB will resign.

The day Kraft overrules BB on football decisions that are based on emotion, this team will go down the toilet fast.

Brady6 · Aug 30, 2014

ThatllMoveTheChains!!! said:
Completely agree about the overreaction bit. The rest of what you wrote is on the same level as Curran. Disparaging BB to try to further your Brady cause is lazy and detracts from your point.

It's not disparaging Belichick. It is pointing out the reality of a situation, if that reality reflects a losing record for Belichick as a head coach without Brady it is what it is. Don't say I'm disparaging him for pointing it out. Brady is the key cog in this teams success over the past decade, Belichick is second.

Bruins29 · Aug 30, 2014

Brady6 said:
If you shave 5 wins off are records over the past 5 years we would have went –

2013 – 7-9
2012 – 7-9
2011 – 8-8
2010 – 9-7
2009 – 5-11
.

Now that your post was pointed out by a few people I am re-reading this and trying to digest it. I know where you are going here. But are you saying that we should just shave off 5 wins from each of BB's seasons to get a better determination of his real accomplishments?

Just take away 5 wins? You do realize that that is just about 1/3 of the whole season.

I understand not liking bb and all that, and the drafting, and some trades,....but now we just shave off wins?

RayClay · Aug 30, 2014

Bruins29 said:
Now that your post was pointed out by a few people I am re-reading this and trying to digest it. I know where you are going here. But are you saying that we should just shave off 5 wins from each of BB's seasons to get a better determination of his real accomplishments?

Just take away 5 wins? You do realize that that is just about 1/3 of the whole season.

I understand not liking bb and all that, and the drafting, and some trades,....but now we just shave off wins?

He added 10 wins to the 2008 season, right? That's a 21 win season, which is pretty damn good.

Patjew · Aug 30, 2014

Yo

robertweathers said:
If the scenario plays out as you say, BB will resign.

The day Kraft overrules BB on football decisions that are based on emotion, this team will go down the toilet fast.

You may be right on both points, but I still stand by my opinion.

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