Curran: Brady 'almost certainly' gone before 2017

MassPats38 said:

Silly to predict the end based upon a preseason performance. BB will not show Brady the door unless his skills have eroded to the point another QB is the better option (and then it will happen, regardless of Brady's history here).

I won't bet against Brady as to how long he can remain elite and the better option, just as I am unwilling to bet JAG at this point is more than any other backup who has moved on to another team in prior years after 4 preseason games largely involving non-starter level opponents.

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i agree.....its way too early to make any conclusions about jimmy g

Marinlik said:

(Not saying that Garoppollo is a franchise QB, it's an example). If the coaches believe that Garop is a franchise QB, then I would be mad if they let him go and stayed with Brady for 2 more years because they don't want to part on bad terms.

It's incredibly hard to find a franchise QB. Hell look at the rest of our division. They've been looking for one for years. If Garop looks even close to being one in 3 years then I think I would want us to roll with him instead of hoping Brady defines all odds. Especially when he will be 40 by then. I love Brady, he is the reason I became a fan. But if we think we have someone on the roster, or a chance to get someone, who can be our future QB in 3 years, then I think we need to take it and move on from Brady. There is a future after Brady and I would rather see the team do like the Colts and move on because they had a great chance for that. Then sit here in 15 years still looking for that franchise QB like the Dolphins have(and may still do)

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I have contended from the onset that the drafting of Garapolo is an attempt to prepare this team post Brady... he is about 3 years away from retirement, and they have this chance and several other chances to get it right...

If Jimmy G. did not show promise, they would do the same thing next year... until they got it right.

BB has been rebuilding this team on the fly for a while now... and has not missed a beat.

DarrylS said:

When Brady leaves it will be on his own terms... he will not be traded or cut.

In the meantime the scribes, who clamor incessantly for attention, will continue to try to get a rise out of fans and more twitter followers(the measure of success)...

Do not worry, this is just another ploy to get attention...

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i will admit that i posted this partly to get attention and be a contrarian......but Tom Curran has been one of Bradys biggest supporters and is already a well known and well respected sports guy.....you really think this is just a ploy on his part?......and if so, why would he do it?.......everybody already knows him and a lot of people follow him

Well Brady will decline someday and when he does he will be replaced.

Because of the way Brady takes care of his body and mind I don't know if this will happen by 2017, and neither does Curran. To date I have seen no evidence of decline. Good way for CUrran to get some clicks though.

Due to the quality of his football mind BB will give Brady more slack than other non QB players you don't replace the GOAT QB lightly.

james87654 said:

you think kraft will overrule BB and let Brady be the QB for as long as he wants?......till he's 45?

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the patriot way is to cut ties with players a year or two Early so if Brady at 38 or 39 still wants to play one more year and BB is looking at his 15 million cap hit and sees garoppolo 2 million cap hit and just wants to move on knowing Brady is not the future in that case I don't think Kraft would let him cut brady

james87654 said:

i will admit that i posted this partly to get attention and be a contrarian......but Tom Curran has been one of Bradys biggest supporters and is already a well known and well respected sports guy.....you really think this is just a ploy on his part?......and if so, why would he do it?.......everybody already knows him and a lot of people follow him

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I think all scribes have a strong vein of contrarianism as that seems to be what people favor these days.. I like Curran, but any press is good press for the press.

TBR said:

Judging Garroppolo off those couple of pre-season games and thinking he's for sure our future starting QB is ridiculous

Brady has at least another 4 years if you ask me.

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Brady may have another 4 years but will the Patriots want to keep him given his age, his level of play and AT HIS SALARY??
That is the issue. ....see Logan Mankins.

The only judgement one can make on Jimmy Garrapolo is that he has a pocket presence and coolness under pressure that simply can't be taught. He has "it" instinctively and that's pretty exciting. Reminds me of another QB we know and love who possessed the same "it" as a young player.

james87654 said:

fair enough.....im actually part of the fanbase that wants to be able to say, "See, I told you BB was this great".........i have absolutely nothing against Brady at all......i hope he wins the SB the next two years......but I want to see BB show that he is a Mount Rushmore coach.....and that will only happen inarguably if he wins post Brady.....and BB is not getting any younger

just my opinion

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BB is there already. He had nothing to prove

First, let's see tonight if Jimmy's ascension has impressed Bill enough to jettison Mallet, never mind Brady. If JAG is judged to be on a trajectory to surpass Mallet any time soon, there is not a good reason to keep Mallet on the roster. Not when we weigh the probability of getting to a third QB against finding ourselves going into crucial games in December and January plucking CBs like Sterling and Earthwind off the street because injuries have taken their predictable toll. And even if JAG supplants Mallet, all of this crystal ball stuff we are all playing is fraught with so much uncertainty we cannot confidently predict what the roster will look like tonight, never mind in 2017.

Still, the Mankins trade has raised some interesting discussion and this one is another tinderbox. It has shown that if Bill has an opportunity to improve his team by trading an established star while he still has value, he will pull the trigger without hesitation or remorse. Bill is at the controls and the organization comes first. And Kraft likes it this way. Many times we have heard Bill recite the mantra of serving the interests of the organization, and Kraft nods in approval as players such as Bledsoe, Milloy, and Seymour are sent packing. In Mankins, Bill must have felt that the team would still be in a position to compete for a championship without him, and if there were any short-term hit, they would be better placed down the road with more cap room and a younger player. So it is reasonable to ask, "would it matter if that player were Brady?" Should it come to pass that Bill sees JAG as Steve Young to Brady's Montana, would things be any different? Would you want it to be different?

Once Brady hits 40 all bets are off. I think the team would allow Brady the opportunity to retire 'on his own' as a Patriot than to just dump him, but if Brady is steadfast and refuses to I dont doubt that Belichick will just get rid of him and move on to whoever is next in line. I will say that unless they have a great backup plan, a great QB waiting in the wings (Jimmy? who knows?), i think they are going to let Brady ride the wheels until he's had enough (to an extent). Might as well keep him if there is no one better to take his place. Eventually there will be a time when his lack of ability is more of a hindrance and I hope that Brady would be able to see the forest for the trees and know his time is up and bow out gracefully.

What is his basis for saying so? Sounds like he says it for shock value. To get noticed.

They drafted Kevin o'connell and mallett in 3rd rohnds. Did that mean Brady was on his way out? If Brady declines a good bit he'll probably retire. I don't believe Curran can see into the future.

He's acting like he has inside info and I doubt he does. People like that are swine.

DarrylS said:

I have contended from the onset that the drafting of Garapolo is an attempt to prepare this team post Brady... he is about 3 years away from retirement, and they have this chance and several other chances to get it right...

If Jimmy G. did not show promise, they would do the same thing next year... until they got it right.

BB has been rebuilding this team on the fly for a while now... and has not missed a beat.

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Was the drafting of mallett the same? He wa s picked one round later.

Eventually Brady will leave in a few years or 5 or 6. Then you'll say "see? I was right!"

Brady's salaries are
2M in 2014
7M in 2015
8M in 2016
9M in 2016.
Cap hits
$14.8 million in 2014
$13M in 2015
$14M in 2016
$15M in 2017

The contracts of Brady and Jimmy G both end after the 2017 season. It seems safe to say that one of them will not be on the Patriots roster in 2018. If Jimmy G proves that he is capable to leading the Patriots to a Super Bowl by the time the decision needs to be made (2014 is way too early), the Patriots will have to choose him over Brady for the sake of the future of franchise. Note that Jimmy G's contract can not be changed until after the 2016 season.

FYI - The earliest date that Brady can be traded AND the Patriots will save cap space is June 2, 2015. Since Brady's future salaries will be guaranteed if he is on the roster at the end of the year (confirmed by Jason Fitzgerald and Joel Corry) there is no date that the Patriots will save cap space by cutting Brady.

Ha Ha Ha, BB win without Brady, that is rich. Good one.

james87654 said:

fair enough.....im actually part of the fanbase that wants to be able to say, "See, I told you BB was this great".........i have absolutely nothing against Brady at all......i hope he wins the SB the next two years......but I want to see BB show that he is a Mount Rushmore coach.....and that will only happen inarguably if he wins post Brady.....and BB is not getting any younger

just my opinion

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james87654 said:

fair enough.....im actually part of the fanbase that wants to be able to say, "See, I told you BB was this great".........i have absolutely nothing against Brady at all......i hope he wins the SB the next two years......but I want to see BB show that he is a Mount Rushmore coach.....and that will only happen inarguably if he wins post Brady.....and BB is not getting any younger

just my opinion

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As Andy mentioned, he is there now. Why would you think he needs to win post Brady to prove anything? Does that mean any coach with a legendary QB who won with that QB has to have done it with and without that QB?

You say "inarguably" he is not there.

BB needs 28 wins to have the 4th most all time in the regular season. 4 more seasons of 10 wins, which he should easily do and he will be 3rd all time surpassing Landry and surpassing him in 6 fewer seasons.

BB needs 2 playoff wins to be number 1 all time in the playoffs.
1 SB to tie the record for most superbowls

What else would have have to do to prove he is on the Mt Rushmore of coaches?

Brady, like Mankins, will likely be gone (1) when he reaches the point where his play no longer justifies his contract and (2) when the team feels they have an adequate replacement. Neither of those criteria is remotely close to happening at the moment, and it's too far out to project with any accuracy, so I see no reason to put a timeframe on it at this point.

mayoclinic said:

Brady, like Mankins, will likely be gone (1) when he reaches the point where his play no longer justifies his contract and (2) when the team feels they have an adequate replacement. Neither of those criteria is remotely close to happening at the moment, and it's too far out to project with any accuracy, so I see no reason to put a timeframe on it at this point.

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fair enough.....i don't disagree

TBR said:

Judging Garroppolo off those couple of pre-season games and thinking he's for sure our future starting QB is ridiculous

Brady has at least another 4 years if you ask me.

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Brady looked fantastic this preseason, looks like he's gonna have another great season. That being said, a QB at this age, you never know how fast their performances will deteriorate. It's unfortunate, because Brady is my favorite Patriot ever, but some day, it will be his time to go. It happens to EVERY player. I don't think he'll be GREAT for at least 4 more seasons. I wouldn't be surprised if he's great the next 3 though.

Bruins29 said:

As Andy mentioned, he is there now. Why would you think he needs to win post Brady to prove anything? Does that mean any coach with a legendary QB who won with that QB has to have done it with and without that QB?

You say "inarguably" he is not there.

BB needs 28 wins to have the 4th most all time in the regular season. 4 more seasons of 10 wins, which he should easily do and he will be 3rd all time surpassing Landry and surpassing him in 6 fewer seasons.

BB needs 2 playoff wins to be number 1 all time in the playoffs.
1 SB to tie the record for most superbowls

What else would have have to do to prove he is on the Mt Rushmore of coaches?

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well said......but i still think that some will say that he couldn't do it without brady......or even bring up spygate if they (BB and Brady) dont win another one.....chuck knoll has 4 rings but people dont consider him a top 4 coach.....they say, "look at all the talent he had"........

i just think that BB having success post Brady is what it will take to cement his status as top 4 or even GOAT......and i think he is very aware of his legacy and wants it badly

james87654 said:

you think kraft will overrule BB and let Brady be the QB for as long as he wants?......till he's 45?

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I think this depends on Brady's level of play. If he is still playing at a high level, I could see Kraft overrulling BB. However, if Tom is being stubborn and won't retire even though his skills haver eroded, then they will probably move on.

Teddy Bruschi was asked in his chat how he came to his decision to retire. He said BB sat him down and simply said "it is time". Teddy knew that he wasn't the same player but still tried to talk BB out of his decision. In the end he wanted to retire a Patriot and made the correct decision. I really hope Brady knows when to hang it up and retires a Patriot.