Wes Welker suffers concussion in preseason game

Danger Zone said:

How many concussions did Anthony Gonzalez have under Manning? All I remember of him was that he never could stay healthy in an Ras-I Dowling kind of way.

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He suffered multiple concussions during the 2008 season.

KontradictioN said:

He suffered multiple concussions during the 2008 season.

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You may be right, but I don't think you are. Can you point to anything to show you're right?

The Anthony Gonzalez injury file - espnBoston

This listing of his injuries prior to joining the Pats would indicate it was a single concussion. And when you look at that list, are you or anyone else here really going to try to tell me his career was ended,, or even significantly hindered, by Manning induced concussions?

LaidOut said:

Anthony Gonzalez was more injury than man and only once did he suffer a concussion. His career wasn't even remotely ended by concussion or anything to do with Manning. But why let facts get in the way of your witch hunt?

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Wrong. He suffered at least two in 2008 based on everything I've read.

Brandon Stokley claims to have suffered a dozen or more concussions since he was in High School. But again, don't let the facts get in the way of your witch hunt.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/seahawks/2011-01-12-brandon-stokley_N.htm

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That's cool and everything. Doesn't change the fact that he collected even more with Manning.

Wes Welker undoubtedly had concussions while on New England. I think you would find few who would try to argue that Welker was never once concussed while on the Pats. He took some monstrous hits on NE and more than once had that look to him when he got up.

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Welker never once had three concussions in one season with New England.

Say what you will. The fact remains that what I said is true. The narrative that Manning gets guys hurt and Brady doesn't is one that, outside of Tom Curran - who makes Bill Simmons look impartial - exists only on this board.

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Nobody ever said Brady hasn't made questionable throws. That's a straw man that you're inventing in you ill advised attempt to stand up for Manning on this one. What we're saying is that Brady doesn't have receivers that are racking up the concussions with the frequency Manning did.

But then again, this board does have a long and proud history of taking the stance that "everyone is wrong but us."

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Then are you here, you little nancyboy? Go back to the Colts forum with Coltsfans and the rest of the lower income bracket.

LaidOut said:

Precisely why only a fool would put any weight into what a board full of Manning haters have to say about him. It's poisoned by bias from the get go. The irony of you posting this is just incredible.

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If anyone should hate Manning its Broncos fans. He pulled a major league choke job on the largest stage in the world. Typical Payton.

LaidOut said:

You may be right, but I don't think you are. Can you point to anything to show you're right?

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-..._/id/4719274/the-anthony-gonzalez-injury-file

This listing of his injuries prior to joining the Pats would indicate it was a single concussion. And when you look at that list, are you or anyone else here really going to try to tell me his career was ended,, or even significantly hindered, by Manning induced concussions?

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What "concussion at various points in the season" tells me that he either suffered a bad concussion and then felt symptoms of it after that based on hits he was continuing to take or he suffered multiple concussions. But then, if you care to argue, then you still have to consider Stokely, Collie, Clark, and now Welker. Again, are you really trying to sit here and argue that these instances are merely coincidence? Please tell me you are. This will be like fishing with dynamite.

LaidOut said:

You may be right, but I don't think you are. Can you point to anything to show you're right?

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-..._/id/4719274/the-anthony-gonzalez-injury-file

This listing of his injuries prior to joining the Pats would indicate it was a single concussion. And when you look at that list, are you or anyone else here really going to try to tell me his career was ended,, or even significantly hindered, by Manning induced concussions?

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The Article you quoted from said:

as well as a concussion at various points during the season

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Coltsfans said:

Do you think? I guess Brady "ruined" Amendola and Gronkowski huh?

You guys and your manning obsession kill me. "Satan Manning"? Grown men think calling Peyton Manning "Satan Manning" is funny? Or cool? Or clever? Honestly not sure why anyone would do that but these boards are full of Pats fans doing it.

Welker had concussions before he went to Denver. The older you get and the more concussions you've had make you more likely to get them in the future. Welker has been playing for a long time.

It's just laughable how you guys blame everything you possibly can on Manning. We get it. pats fans don't like Manning. But grow up.

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Amendola tore his groin in a non-contact injury. He got his concussion after he caught the ball and ran for more yards. Gronk tore his ACL getting tackled in the open field about 10 yards after he caught the ball and he broke his arm on special teams.

I think Manning is one of the greatest of all time. But his history of getting his receivers killed is well documented. It isn't all about Welker (where I said Manning didn't have any responsibility for at least one of them). But we have seen Dallas Clark and Austin Collie and Anthony Gonzalez have significant injuries catching balls from Manning over the middle.

Also, I have admitted that Brady has put Welker in bad situations from time to time. Manning seems to have more of a history of it.

KontradictioN said:

Wrong. He suffered at least two in 2008.

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Back it up with something.

That's cool and everything. Doesn't change the fact that he collected even more with Manning.

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Put on the blinders and pretend a guy with 12 concussions since he was a teenager wasn't massively concussion prone. Nope, still Mannings fault in New England!

Welker never once had three concussions in one season with New England.

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Again, the irony here is amazing. You cite a strawman below but THIS is the ultimate. The frequency means nothing when only one of those concussions was a "suicide pass". In the second one Welker was concussed while getting down low, exactly what you all praise Brady for allowing his receivers to do.

Nobody ever said Brady hasn't made questionable throws. That's a straw man that you're inventing in you ill advised attempt to stand up for Manning on this one. What we're saying is that Brady doesn't have receivers that are racking up the concussions with the frequency Manning did.

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And again, that argument is ridiculous. The fact that Brady doesn't have receivers racking them up like Manning might have something to do with the fact that the first guy the Pats got to operate in the slot in a Colts style offense undoubtedly had concussions on the team but then just happened to be traded away to play by Manning right when it came to the point when disclosing concussions became big news.

Then are you here, you little nancyboy? Go back to the Colts forum with Coltsfans and the rest of the lower income bracket.

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Now you're just making yourself look silly. Nancy boy? You really must've riled some folks up with that one back in 19ot6.

Anyways, I don't know why I'm bothering. You guys have your theory that you've cooked up on this board (that as I've mentioned is accepted nowhere beyond this small bubble) and you, a clear and unabashed group of Manning hates, will continue to reenforce each other with made up statistics, half-truths and blindness. Far be it from me to put a damper on the party any further.

Give me a call if this theory ever takes hold outside the bubble of New England sports and maybe someone outside of this board might start to take you guys seriously.[/quote]

KontradictioN said:

What "concussion at various points in the season" tells me that he either suffered a bad concussion and then felt symptoms of it after that based on hits he was continuing to take or he suffered multiple concussions. But then, if you care to argue, then you still have to consider Stokely, Collie, Clark, and now Welker. Again, are you really trying to sit here and argue that these instances are merely coincidence? Please tell me you are. This will be like fishing with dynamite.

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Reading comprehension folks.

"Finishes 2008 season with 16 games played (two starts), 57 catches for 664 yards, and four touchdowns, but is listed with shoulder, hamstring, and hip injuries, as well as a concussion at various points in the season"

It's a list of injuries he suffered at various points during the season, including A concussion. (read: singular). The words "at various points of the season refers to the entire list, not solely to the concussion listed at the end of the sentence. Gotta use that critical thinking lads!

LaidOut said:

Put on the blinders and pretend a guy with 12 concussions since he was a teenager wasn't massively concussion prone. Nope, still Mannings fault in New England!

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Collie had multiple concussions before coming to New England and magically didn't suffer one while he was here. Again, that's fine that Stokely had concussions before Manning got him lit up like a Christmas tree. Doesn't change the fact that he continued to have them when he played with Manning at a high frequency.

Again, the irony here is amazing. You cite a strawman below but THIS is the ultimate.

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You might want to educate yourself on what a strawman is. My comment about Welker is not one.

The frequency means nothing when only one of those concussions was a "suicide pass".

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Both the Titans and Texans concussions were Manning leading him right into a big hit.

And again, that argument is ridiculous. The fact that Brady doesn't have receivers racking them up like Manning might have something to do with the fact that the first guy the Pats got to operate in the slot in a Colts style offense undoubtedly had concussions on the team

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Brady had receivers operating between the numbers long before Welker. See Brown, Troy and Patten, David. As I can recall, none of them had to deal with a high frequency of concussions. Much less three in a year.

but then just happened to be traded away to play by Manning right when it came to the point when disclosing concussions became big news.

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This pile of crap reeks of desperation... unless you're going to try to tell me that concussions just became big news in the NFL in 2013.

Now you're just making yourself look silly. Nancy boy? You really must've riled some folks up with that one back in 19ot6.

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Would you prefer that I called you a "cigarette" in the Queen's English. Feel free to Google that one.

Anyways, I don't know why I'm bothering. You guys have your theory that you've cooked up on this board (that as I've mentioned is accepted nowhere beyond this small bubble) and you, a clear and unabashed group of Manning hates, will continue to reenforce each other with made up statistics, half-truths and blindness. Far be it from me to put a damper on the party any further.

Give me a call if this theory ever takes hold outside the bubble of New England sports and maybe someone outside of this board might start to take you guys seriously.

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Does Peyton Manning deserve blame for Wes Welker's concussion? - CBSSports.com

What's your number?

LaidOut said:

Reading comprehension folks.

"Finishes 2008 season with 16 games played (two starts), 57 catches for 664 yards, and four touchdowns, but is listed with shoulder, hamstring, and hip injuries, as well as a concussion at various points in the season"

It's a list of injuries he suffered at various points during the season, including A concussion. (read: singular). The words "at various points of the season refers to the entire list, not solely to the concussion listed at the end of the sentence. Gotta use that critical thinking lads!

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It could read that way and it might even be the way it was intended... though really such a lazy way to sum up all of the multiple injuries. That said I didnt even include Anthony Gonzalez in my list.

And Im not sure Anthony Gonzolez only having a single concussion and about a dozen different injuries to different body parts is the proof you should be looking for.

Anthony Gonzolez was added as nothing more than an also-ran afterthought to this whole discussion.

KontradictioN said:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...ear-responsibility-for-wes-welkers-concussion

What's your number?

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Where's the smiley of the guy pounding the floor laughing? C'mon Kontra. You're better than that.

This article is merely another reporter (ONE other reporter to be exact) referencing Curran's article, which we've already noted comes from a guy who makes Simmons look impartial and is a NE homer through and through. And on top of that the CBS guy referencing Curran's article doesn't even make any conclusions on it! In your small mind that is equal to the theory taking hold outside of New England???

Hilarious!

Anyhoo, I'm done on this topic. When Kontra called me "nancy boy" I sort of feel like it all ended then. That was just awkward. Cringeworthy even. I don't need to say any more. My point is made. This small bubble is driven by Manning hate almost as much as it is by love of the Pats though so I can't say I'm surprised to see things like the ridiculous post from Kontra I've quoted above. Keep on keepin on Pats fans! The rest of the internet thoroughly appreciates the entertainment you provide us.

Danger Zone said:

It could read that way and it might even be the way it was intended... though really such a lazy way to sum up all of the multiple injuries. That said I didnt even include Anthony Gonzalez in my list.

And Im not sure Anthony Gonzolez only having a single concussion and about a dozen different injuries to different body parts is the proof you should be looking for.

Anthony Gonzolez was added as nothing more than an also-ran afterthought to this whole discussion.

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Dang. Where's a backpeddling GIF when ya need one?

Forget concussions. I challenge anybody to convince me Manning wasn't the banjo kid from Deliverance!

LaidOut said:

Cringeworthy even. .

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Cringe worthy is an adult (if you indeed are one) going to another fans message board anonymously to cry about the forum members pointing out some possible flaws of his favorite QB.
You either:
1. Have no life
2. Are a child
3. Have seen that a legit nerve had been struck

Come on, which is it?

LaidOut said:

Where's the smiley of the guy pounding the floor laughing? C'mon Kontra. You're better than that.

This article is merely another reporter (ONE other reporter to be exact) referencing Curran's article, which we've already noted comes from a guy who makes Simmons look impartial and is a NE homer through and through. And on top of that the CBS guy referencing Curran's article doesn't even make any conclusions on it! In your small mind that is equal to the theory taking hold outside of New England???

Hilarious!

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Actually, I thought I was doing you a service providing you with an article. If you're looking for fanbases saying this, we're not the only one. All i takes is a casual browsing of other team's forums after the latest Welker concussion and this article to see that it's not all just Pats fans. But thanks for stopping by!

Oh, and you were right about Gonzalez. I will strike him off my list from now on.

LaidOut said:

Dang. Where's a backpeddling GIF when ya need one?

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None on my end. I was working off of memory and quickly browsed the article you posted. You were correct on Gonzalez. Unfortunately for you, I'm correct on Stokely, Clark, Collie, and Welker.

As upset as most of us were when Welker walked out the door, he really hasn't looked the same with the Broncos. He started out hot, but he seemingly fizzled quickly. Now the concussions are threatening his career. It sucks for him.

The whole reason why I didn't include Gonzalez is because a) He 'only' got one documented concussion, and b) it isn't even necessary to make the point. We have Collie, Clark, Welker and Stokley as compelling evidence--to anyone who isn't washing Manning's balls as we speak--that he has a history of getting his WRs destroyed. I know his fanboys apparently can't handle the notion that he might not be awesome at everything, but it is what it is.

While we're at it, Brady sucks outside of the pocket. When he the pocket breaks down and he starts scrambling, I my mindset immediately becomes "just don't throw an interception". Oh well, nobody's perfect.

Gotta love all the Colts fans rushing over here to breathe new life into a thread that would have been long dead by now if they didn't keep beating on a dead horse, though. And then they claim that we're the ones dwelling on it.

LaidOut said:

Back it up with something.




Put on the blinders and pretend a guy with 12 concussions since he was a teenager wasn't massively concussion prone. Nope, still Mannings fault in New England!



Again, the irony here is amazing. You cite a strawman below but THIS is the ultimate. The frequency means nothing when only one of those concussions was a "suicide pass". In the second one Welker was concussed while getting down low, exactly what you all praise Brady for allowing his receivers to do.



And again, that argument is ridiculous. The fact that Brady doesn't have receivers racking them up like Manning might have something to do with the fact that the first guy the Pats got to operate in the slot in a Colts style offense undoubtedly had concussions on the team but then just happened to be traded away to play by Manning right when it came to the point when disclosing concussions became big news.



Now you're just making yourself look silly. Nancy boy? You really must've riled some folks up with that one back in 19ot6.

Anyways, I don't know why I'm bothering. You guys have your theory that you've cooked up on this board (that as I've mentioned is accepted nowhere beyond this small bubble) and you, a clear and unabashed group of Manning hates, will continue to reenforce each other with made up statistics, half-truths and blindness. Far be it from me to put a damper on the party any further.

Give me a call if this theory ever takes hold outside the bubble of New England sports and maybe someone outside of this board might start to take you guys seriously.

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reddit.com/r/nfl

Go check it out, browse around a little. Might help to get outside of your own bubble. Pretty cool community, with fans from all 32 teams, and it's generally agreed there that Manning has a tendency to hang his WRs out to dry. Even some of the Broncos fans there admit it.