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Not exactly the same thing as throwing to an oft-concussed slot receiver over the middle when there are three defenders converging upon him.

Actually, it goes beyond just making that throw. It was the placement of the ball. Peyton threw the ball high and to Welker's outside shoulder, which directly put him into a position to get his clock cleaned by the rapidly converging safety. Welker knew it too, and tries to get his head down quickly, which actually put his head a WORSE position.

In general, that throw over the middle should be low and to the inside hip area (perhaps even slightly behind the WR), which would put the receiver into a sliding posture (more protected position) when the inevitable hit comes. Bottom line, when through over the middle into a crowd, lower passes are much safer. It's different if there is a little daylight between the WR and defenders, then that throw is fine as it puts the receiver in a perfect position for YAC. It's part of the QB's job to recognize that and to protect slot receivers, or any receiver going over the middle. Brady is a master at those low throws in traffic and Welker made a living on them during his time here.

Nevermind that it occurred in a useless preseason game. Manning should have NEVER made that throw, because he just doesn't have the same touch on the ball that he used to. Stupid throw at a stupid time.

p.s. For the Colt's fan arguing about Gronk's injury, you are either kidding yourself or don't know what you are talking about. The moment the receiver makes an upfield move (as Gronk did by taking 3-4 steps) and gets injured, he's not a "defenseless receiver" and it becomes a YAC injury (which is never on the QB).
 
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Stretch?

I am marveled at how several people have actually responded to the Gronkowski injury example and given it any legitimacy above 0%

What else would you expect from a Colts fan?
 
Yeah, Manning has played what 16 seasons lol? Concussions happen every single day in the NFL. You have 3 guys there, one who had a history of concussions before he joined the Broncos.

The NFL is under fire because of how dangerous it is and how many players get concussions and how many former players have brain damage. "Satan" Manning must have had a time machine and ruined all those guys too. That's what I mean about you guys and your Manning obsession, concussions and their frequency are the biggest single issue facing the NFL today, lol, Welker has had concussions before ever even playing with Manning and is, in NFL years and mileage, old and at the end of his career. But yet...Manning "ruined' him lol.

Collie was susceptible to concussions, as has been pointed out (and you well know) once you get one you become more likely to get another. Welker had concussion before he ever played with Manning and he plays a position where you get blasted.

Like I said Brady should really stop "ruining" poor Amendola and Gronk.

And like I said, if you're going to continue running with that comparison then you've already destroyed your argument by failing to come up with a better one. If that's the best comparison that you can come up with, then that's an implicit admission that your argument sucks. Neither one of those guys has concussion issues, and neither's injury issues have anything to do with Brady. Amendola's groin was strained in preseason, and Gronk's ACL was torn on an open-field tackle well after he'd caught the ball, turned upfield, and was running in open space. It's exactly as much his fault as Reggie Wayne's torn ACL was Luck's fault.

If you can't tell the difference between that and making a high throw that leads your slot receiver directly into the SS's hit, then that's on you. The correct play would have been to either not make the throw, or put the ball low and behind Welker so that he can catch it and get to the ground without getting lit up. That's simple, 101-level stuff, and again: if you can't understand it, then that's on you.

Secondly, why are you so defensive, anyway? I literally just said that Manning is an all-time great QB; do you really find it that sacrilegious to suggest that he might have flaws? He's far from perfect. Brady isn't perfect either. So what?
 
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Only one of Welker's concussions in Denver were from one of these "kill shot" catches. One was soon after a catch but happened after Welker had already gone to the ground, and one happened after Welker had run around with the ball for about 15 seconds.

So those of you touting the three concussions in a year argument and then crapping on the other guy for pointing to Gronk or Amendola need to take a step back and look at your own argument. Two of Welker's concussions in Denver had much more on common with Gronk and Amendola's injuries (i.e. bad luck) than they did with Welker's most recent concussion as far as Manning's involvement goes.

And for those of you tossing out things like "Brady is known around the league for protecting his receivers!", get real. Brady may be known around these boards as some sort of super hero for protecting his receivers but that's only because it's a narrative you've all created in your worship of him.

The fact of the matter is, due to New England's historical tightness on revealing injury info, and the difference in rules regarding concussions when Wes played in NE, no one knows for sure how many concussions he had in New England. He's a small slot receiver who got lit up quite a few times while in NE though and many a time came off the field with that deer in headlights look, so you can bet your butt that concussion susceptibility isn't something new for him in Denver.

The poster above is right. The entire narrative of Brady is a super hero at protecting his receivers and Manning is known to hang them out to dry to be killed is a narrative invented by and only subscribed to by people on this board. And don't even bother pointing to the article by Curran, who is a known and unabashed Patriots homer who would probably fit in well as a member of this forum.

For any of you that might be bored, head over to YouTube and type in "Wes Welker hit" and watch some of the devastating blows he took while catching passes from Tom Terrific.

Mods, feel free to ban me.
 
Only one of Welker's concussions in Denver were from one of these "kill shot" catches. One was soon after a catch but happened after Welker had already gone to the ground, and one happened after Welker had run around with the ball for about 15 seconds.

So those of you touting the three concussions in a year argument and then crapping on the other guy for pointing to Gronk or Amendola need to take a step back and look at your own argument. Two of Welker's concussions in Denver had much more on common with Gronk and Amendola's injuries (i.e. bad luck) than they did with Welker's most recent concussion as far as Manning's involvement goes.

And for those of you tossing out things like "Brady is known around the league for protecting his receivers!", get real. Brady may be known around these boards as some sort of super hero for protecting his receivers but that's only because it's a narrative you've all created in your worship of him.

The fact of the matter is, due to New England's historical tightness on revealing injury info, and the difference in rules regarding concussions when Wes played in NE, no one knows for sure how many concussions he had in New England. He's a small slot receiver who got lit up quite a few times while in NE though and many a time came off the field with that deer in headlights look, so you can bet your butt that concussion susceptibility isn't something new for him in Denver.

The poster above is right. The entire narrative of Brady is a super hero at protecting his receivers and Manning is known to hang them out to dry to be killed is a narrative invented by and only subscribed to by people on this board. And don't even bother pointing to the article by Curran, who is a known and unabashed Patriots homer who would probably fit in well as a member of this forum.

For any of you that might be bored, head over to YouTube and type in "Wes Welker hit" and watch some of the devastating blows he took while catching passes from Tom Terrific.

Mods, feel free to ban me.

The concussion against the Tits and the concussion against the Texas were both kill shot type hits where Manning led Welker right into danger. As for the rest?

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The debate about whether TB or PM leads his receiver is tantamount to arguing over table scraps. The meat and potatoes of this is WW is small man, in NFL terms, and he runs routes over the middle of the field. A combination of TB-PM-Montana and every other great QB could be throwing to WW and he still is in high danger of taking big time shots.
When it comes to money enough is rarely enough. Understandably WW wants to maximize the $$$ he banks. Yet after this many rings to his bell I think it's time for WW to consider what he risks by continuing to play. Obviously I'm not a doctor and maybe repeated concussions aren't as worrisome as I am making them. However, I suspect there is enough uncertainty to the health ramifications of having your bell rung too often for WW to consider a job at FSPN or simply finding a beach to lay on for a decade or so.
 
Great argument...log on...puke up vitriolic jilted teenage girl crap...beg to be banned...BUT...we should take him seriously.

I told you all many years ago right here...cow pie poisoning
 
I kept reading to hear his rebuttal to

Receivers Who Had to End (or Should Have Ended) Their Career Due to Concussions

Under Manning:
- Austin Collie
- Brandon Stokely
- Wes Welker
- Dallas Clark (thanks Joker)

Under Brady:
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I kept reading to hear his rebuttal to

Slot Receivers Who Had to End Their Career Due to Concussions

Under Manning:
- Austin Collie
- Brandon Stokely
- Wes Welker*

Under Brady:
-

Good call on Stokely. Completely forgot about him.
 
Of course there's the case of Dallas Clark and HIS multiple (six at least) concussions suffered while fetching Moonhead wobble ducks...cut HIS career short, no that it matters to Fly Landing Strip head..
 
Already mentioned him.
Funny how all those guys have significant issues with concussions and they all caught passes from Manning when that ailment came up. But it has nothing to do with him. Collie played 113 snaps last year for NE and managed to avoid getting one. Hmmm....
 
No wonder Reggie Wayne always ran sideline OUT routes...now THERE'S a smart receiver...step out of bounds to avoid the head bludgeoning...
 
Funny how all those guys have significant issues with concussions and they all caught passes from Manning when that ailment came up. But it has nothing to do with him. Collie played 113 snaps last year for NE and managed to avoid getting one. Hmmm....

It's just a coincidence, apparently.
 
Already mentioned him.

How many concussions did Anthony Gonzalez have under Manning? All I remember of him was that he never could stay healthy in an Ras-I Dowling kind of way.
 
Anthony Gonzalez was more injury than man and only once did he suffer a concussion. His career wasn't even remotely ended by concussion or anything to do with Manning. But why let facts get in the way of your witch hunt?

Brandon Stokley claims to have suffered a dozen or more concussions since he was in High School. But again, don't let the facts get in the way of your witch hunt.
Seahawks' Brandon Stokley hanging on for another playoff - USAToday

Wes Welker undoubtedly had concussions while on New England. I think you would find few who would try to argue that Welker was never once concussed while on the Pats. He took some monstrous hits on NE and more than once had that look to him when he got up.

Say what you will. The fact remains that what I said is true. The narrative that Manning gets guys hurt and Brady doesn't is one that, outside of Tom Curran - who makes Bill Simmons look impartial - exists only on this board.

But then again, this board does have a long and proud history of taking the stance that "everyone is wrong but us."
 
Collie played 113 snaps last year for NE and managed to avoid getting one. Hmmm....

That is some A+ statistical analysis right there. Clearly a statistically significant number to work with. Proof positive. Bravo. A true statistician.
 

Precisely why only a fool would put any weight into what a board full of Manning haters have to say about him. It's poisoned by bias from the get go. The irony of you posting this is just incredible.
 
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