What Bill Belichick has in common with Mankins, Moss, Seymour, Milloy etc

goheels22002 · Aug 27, 2014

"Do unto others as ye would have others do unto you."

Check out this list of the biggest trades in NFL history. Four Patriots trades in the top ten all time.

Spoiler alert! #1 trade of all time is the Jets trading Bill Belichick, a 5th rounder in '01, and a 7th rounder in '02 to the New England Patriots for a 1st rounder in '00, and 5th and 7th rounders in '01.

People are complaining that the Pats should have gotten more for 32-year-old Logan Mankins. The only players to pull a 1st round pick from another team on this list are Drew Bledsoe from Buffalo, Brett Favre from Green Bay, and Herschel Walker from Dallas.

In their prime, Marshall Faulk went to the Rams for a 2nd and a 5th rounder, and Steve Young went to SF for 2nd and 4th rounder.

The NFL's Top 10 History-Changing Trades | Bleacher Report

Mankins for a 4th rounder in '15 and a productive second year TE isn't bad in this context.

borg · Aug 27, 2014

Historically speaking, the Jets trading BB is on par with the Saux trading the Babe. Turning point for four franchises that impacted these teams for decades

Galeb · Aug 27, 2014

borg said:
Historically speaking, the Jets trading BB is on par with the Saux trading the Babe. Turning point for four franchises that impacted these teams for decades

Did I really just like a borg post?!

Rusty Coupe · Aug 27, 2014

borg said:
Historically speaking, the Jets trading BB is on par with the Saux trading the Babe. Turning point for four franchises that impacted these teams for decades

Somehow I can see Jests fans dredging the swamp looking for the lost green hoodies w 3/4 sleeves, that were never used by the ill fated HC of the NYJ.

SB39 · Aug 28, 2014

Including the Bledsoe trade is weaksauce. Brady was the #1 guy. Trading away his backup, who would then go on to subsequently do very little of note, is hardly earth shattering.

Gwedd · Aug 28, 2014

Galeb said:
Did I really just like a borg post?!

I know, right?

Shudder.......

RayClay · Aug 28, 2014

SB39 said:
Including the Bledsoe trade is weaksauce. Brady was the #1 guy. Trading away his backup, who would then go on to subsequently do very little of note, is hardly earth shattering.

They got a first round pick for a QB they weren't going to use. That's pretty good.

SB39 · Aug 28, 2014

RayClay said:
They got a first round pick for a QB they weren't going to use. That's pretty good.

I didn't say it wasn't a good trade, I said it wasn't a historic trade. We still talk about the Hershel Walker deal 25+ years later. That trade is seen as the defining moment establishing Dallas' 3 Super Bowls of that era. In the year 2030, nobody is going to look at trading a backup QB (who would not go on to have any major accomplishments) for Ty Warren as having significantly shifted the balance of power in the NFL.

RayClay · Aug 28, 2014

SB39 said:
I didn't say it wasn't a good trade, I said it wasn't a historic trade. We still talk about the Hershel Walker deal 25+ years later. That trade is seen as the defining moment establishing Dallas' 3 Super Bowls of that era. In the year 2030, nobody is going to look at trading a backup QB (who would not go on to have any major accomplishments) for Ty Warren as having significantly shifted the balance of power in the NFL.

There aren't a lot of trades in football. I agree that article wasn't much, if that's your thinking.

The Walker trade stands as one of the stupidest of all time across sports, even though baseball and basketball trade a lot more.

BradyFTW! · Aug 28, 2014

goheels22002 said:
"Do unto others as ye would have others do unto you."

Check out this list of the biggest trades in NFL history. Four Patriots trades in the top ten all time.

Spoiler alert! #1 trade of all time is the Jets trading Bill Belichick, a 5th rounder in '01, and a 7th rounder in '02 to the New England Patriots for a 1st rounder in '00, and 5th and 7th rounders in '01.

People are complaining that the Pats should have gotten more for 32-year-old Logan Mankins. The only players to pull a 1st round pick from another team on this list are Drew Bledsoe from Buffalo, Brett Favre from Green Bay, and Herschel Walker from Dallas.

In their prime, Marshall Faulk went to the Rams for a 2nd and a 5th rounder, and Steve Young went to SF for 2nd and 4th rounder.

The NFL's Top 10 History-Changing Trades | Bleacher Report

Mankins for a 4th rounder in '15 and a productive second year TE isn't bad in this context.

I think people that wanted a first are going back to the Seymour trade as a comp. The difference being that Seymour was two years younger, was better at that point in his career (and just a better player overall), and while he was in the last year of his contract, there's the most important factor of all: that Al Davis was just completely senile.

BradyFTW! · Aug 28, 2014

SB39 said:
Including the Bledsoe trade is weaksauce. Brady was the #1 guy. Trading away his backup, who would then go on to subsequently do very little of note, is hardly earth shattering.

You could maybe make a case that the Bledsoe trade wasn't so off at the time that it was made. But much like the Walker trade is elevated historically because it launched a SB dynasty, the Bledsoe trade is relegated because it didn't move the needle on two solid decades of the Bills sucking.

If Dallas screws up the Walker picks, nobody remembers that trade. If the Pats take a HOFer that helps win another three Super Bowls above and beyond what they won--or if Bledsoe leads the Bills to a SB win--everyone remembers that trade.

goheels22002 · Aug 28, 2014

SB39 said:
Including the Bledsoe trade is weaksauce. Brady was the #1 guy. Trading away his backup, who would then go on to subsequently do very little of note, is hardly earth shattering.

Getting a #1 pick from Buffalo for Drew Bledsoe was Trader Bill at his best. He packaged the #1 and a low round pick to Chicago and wound up with DL Ty Warren. Good value there.

From Buffalo's perspective, they were getting a QB that led his team to the 1996 Super Bowl under Bill Parcells, and who played well in the 2001 playoffs when Brady got dinged, and who was a solid veteran who was dignified when he lost his starting job. He was, in their eyes, Jim Kelly's replacement with a few more years on his tires. I have utmost respect for Drew Bledsoe, what he did with New England and how he handled the transition to Tom Brady.

SB39 · Aug 28, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
You could maybe make a case that the Bledsoe trade wasn't so off at the time that it was made. But much like the Walker trade is elevated historically because it launched a SB dynasty, the Bledsoe trade is relegated because it didn't move the needle on two solid decades of the Bills sucking.

If Dallas screws up the Walker picks, nobody remembers that trade. If the Pats take a HOFer that helps win another three Super Bowls above and beyond what they won--or if Bledsoe leads the Bills to a SB win--everyone remembers that trade.

People, the criteria of the article is the top 10 history changing trades, so we get to use the benefit of historical hindsight when discussing the subject.

You're absolutely right, if Dallas messes up their draft picks, the Hershel Walker trade is nothing more than a footnote. But since they built the core of 3 championships, we can say that trade was historical.

Similarly, if Bledsoe wins a couple Super Bowls in Buffalo, then that's a history-altering trade. But he didnt. So it's not.

The Brandon Five · Aug 28, 2014

goheels22002 said:
Getting a #1 pick from Buffalo for Drew Bledsoe was Trader Bill at his best. He packaged the #1 and a low round pick to Chicago and wound up with OL Ty Warren. Good value there.

OL?

Gronkandez · Aug 28, 2014

goheels22002 said:
" The only players to pull a 1st round pick from another team on this list are Drew Bledsoe from Buffalo, Brett Favre from Green Bay, and Herschel Walker from Dallas.
.

What about Deion Branch and Matt Hasselbeck (both to the Seahawks)? Jared Allen?

BradyFTW! · Aug 28, 2014

Gronkandez said:
What about Deion Branch and Matt Hasselbeck (both to the Seahawks)? Jared Allen?

I think he meant specifically on the link's list. Otherwise Seymour belongs there too.

goheels22002 · Aug 28, 2014

The Brandon Five said:
OL?

Good catch - fixed it. Thanks.

goheels22002 · Aug 28, 2014

Gronkandez said:
What about Deion Branch and Matt Hasselbeck (both to the Seahawks)? Jared Allen?

The Deion Branch deal for Seattle's #1 in '06 wasn't on the list in the Top Ten trades, but that was interesting, too. Branch was coming off some marquee performances, so he looked like franchise-changing WR. I remember thinking that it was a good deal, but what were they doing trading Branch? Little did we know that Randy Moss and Wes Welker were just a few months away.

BradyFTW! · Aug 28, 2014

goheels22002 said:
The Deion Branch deal for Seattle's #1 in '06 wasn't on the list in the Top Ten trades, but that was interesting, too. Branch was coming off some marquee performances, so he looked like franchise-changing WR. I remember thinking that it was a good deal, but what were they doing trading Branch? Little did we know that Randy Moss and Wes Welker were just a few months away.

A year and a few months, that is. 2006: never forget.

goheels22002 · Aug 30, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
A year and a few months, that is. 2006: never forget.

It was 7-1/2 months. Branch went to Seattle after holding out in September 2006, and Moss was traded to the Patriots in April 2007.

You are correct that the Patriots went through the 2006 season with neither WR and relied on Reche Caldwell, Jabar Gaffney and Troy Brown to do the heavy lifting in the passing game. That was the year that Josh McDaniels emerged as a creative play caller using the smurfs plus Daniel Graham, Ben Watson and Kevin Faulk as weapons.

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