jemea thomas cut

BelichickFan said:

I am well aware of what "so far" means, thank you very much. However if you have expectations for the draft to help later in the year (Easley), next year (White, OL) and even later (Garrapolo) then calling it disappointing so far before the year has even begun isn't appropriate.

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Then imagine how inappropriate Belichick cutting Thomas yesterday was.

Brady6 said:

Then imagine how inappropriate Belichick cutting Thomas yesterday was.

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That makes no sense. There's a difference between being patient because you think someone was drafted for the future and cutting someone that you have decided can't make your team.

Brady6 said:

JB right now as we speak Belichick is assessing the 2014 draft class deciding if they are good enough to make the team, he already assessed Thomas and determined he was not good enough. If Belichick is doing it I have to believe it is useful.

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You're assessing them based on what they've done to date. BB is assessing them based on a.) information none of us is privy to; b.) how they project in the future; and c.) what they've done to date.

AndyJohnson said:

We should also have a webinar about not crying about every post that disagrees with yours.
Pretty much no one feels you are right. Accept that.
It doesn't mean you are wrong, because only time will tell, but it means that most everyone doesn't see it your way.
Why not just understand instead of going on a mission to insult and alienate everyone on the board?
Just my opinion. If you prefer I will ignore your posts.

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I like you overall Andy, think you are a good poster, but sometimes you lock onto **** that really was a fly by comment, I said what I said because Thomas not even making it to game 4 of the preseason was disappointing and many of the draft have been. I have been disappointed that I have not seen Easley or Stork yet, or that Halapio did not insert himself into the mix for the starting job at RG. As a fan it is disappointing not to see players play when you are excited about them, or to see them be cut when you barely saw them play. That was my point, it was an in the wind type comment, and now I have spent half the day trying to explain it to you and a bunch of others, when it really was not significant.

Brady6 said:

Then imagine how inappropriate Belichick cutting Thomas yesterday was.

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Just some friendly advice, take it or leave it, but this is where you always go off the rails.
You have attacked and thrown insults at everyone who has responded to you (hint: "you cant read" is not a reasonable reply to someone disagreeing with you. They read, and they disagreed)
Now you try to equate judging a draft class with Bill Belichick cutting down to a 53 man roster, while you very well know that is a ridiculous analogy.
Try to communicate what you think and stop thinking its about winning an argument.
If you think people do not understand what you are trying to say, then by all means restate it, but this endless repeating of the same thing as if you think this will be the post where everyone has heard it enough times to give in and tell you that you are right is maddening.

BelichickFan said:

That makes no sense. There's a difference between being patient because you think someone was drafted for the future and cutting someone that you have decided can't make your team.

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Can you explain to me the difference between the players that are for the future and the players who we decide on today (or yesterday in Thomas’s case)? I am just curious, because Garopollo is the only player that is designated as the FUTURE and I never said he was disappointing.

Brady6 said:

I like you overall Andy, think you are a good poster, but sometimes you lock onto **** that really was a fly by comment, I said what I said because Thomas not even making it to game 4 of the preseason was disappointing and many of the draft have been. I have been disappointed that I have not seen Easley or Stork yet, or that Halapio did not insert himself into the mix for the starting job at RG. As a fan it is disappointing not to see players play when you are excited about them, or to see them be cut when you barely saw them play. That was my point, it was an in the wind type comment, and now I have spent half the day trying to explain it to you and a bunch of others, when it really was not significant.

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Hence the post I just typed before reading this one.

I think your expectations are out of whack. 6th rounders get cut, and thats not really disappointing its the most likely result.
Players miss time in camp, especially ones that were drafted with preexisting injuries.
None of these things make it possible to assess a draft before a game is played.

JackBauer said:

You're assessing them based on what they've done to date. BB is assessing them based on a.) information none of us is privy to; b.) how they project in the future; and c.) what they've done to date.

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I am actually assessing Stork and Halapio based on their college tape, combine results, and pro day results. They were not good choices, I would not have picked them if they came with money.

Brady6 said:

Can you explain to me the difference between the players that are for the future and the players who we decide on today (or yesterday in Thomas’s case)? I am just curious, because Garopollo is the only player that is designated as the FUTURE and I never said he was disappointing.

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I don't think many, if any people other than maybe you and Patsfancraig expected any of the rookie OL to be any starting or even a sure bet to contribute anything as rookies.

Brady6 said:

I am actually assessing Stork and Halapio based on their college tape, combine results, and pro day results. They were not good choices, I would not have picked them if they came with money.

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So you're a layman assessing them, as I said, based on what they've done to date.

There's a reason why we're all posting here and not working in an NFL FO.

Brady6 said:

Can you explain to me the difference between the players that are for the future and the players who we decide on today (or yesterday in Thomas’s case)? I am just curious, because Garopollo is the only player that is designated as the FUTURE and I never said he was disappointing.

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I was giving my personal opinion about what I expected.

Easley - I expected to work in as the season went along.
Garropola - Self explanatory.
Stork - I expected to potentially compete for time this year but to really play next year replacing Wendell.
White - I expected to get some crumbs, backup Vereen and replace him next year if he leaves.
Flemming - I expected to be on the bench and replace Cannon as a backup OT next year.
Helapio - I expected to be on the bench and hopefully replace Mankins next year.

The rest were the usual late round picks that you hope to get lucky with but don't have any particular expectations.

Most of this draft class, to me, was to give potential replacements for upcoming free agents.

AndyJohnson said:

Hence the post I just typed before reading this one.

I think your expectations are out of whack. 6th rounders get cut, and thats not really disappointing its the most likely result.
Players miss time in camp, especially ones that were drafted with preexisting injuries.
None of these things make it possible to assess a draft before a game is played.

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I think that Stork, Halapio, Thomas, and Gallon were poor draft choices, I was not happy with them in May and I am not happy about them now.

I said in the draft board that Halapio would not even make the team, and that Stork had injury issues that would plaque him in the NFL. This is not something I just came up with today.

That is what I am thinking; I am not trying to win an argument. I think Easley will be great; Garopollo will be a good backup and a tradable asset unlike Mallett. Fleming has upside as an OG down, and White will help out in the passing game and be a solid depth RB.

Brady6 said:

I am actually assessing Stork and Halapio based on their college tape, combine results, and pro day results. They were not good choices, I would not have picked them if they came with money.

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And you feel that you are a better judge of that than Bill Belichick?

Tell me, how much time have you spent breaking down college tape of these 2 players?
Then please explain your training, experience and knowledge that would allow you to be able to grade and assess that film. Have you played at an equivalent level, played the OL at any level, coached the OL, been a football evaluator?
Did BB not watch more film before he hit puberty than you have in your life?
My point is is simply that why would you use your 'film study' as meaningful in any way to this discussion?
You literally are implying that you would do a better job knowing who to draft than any NFL GM much less just BB.

Brady6 said:

I think that Stork, Halapio, Thomas, and Gallon were poor draft choices, I was not happy with them in May and I am not happy about them now.

I said in the draft board that Halapio would not even make the team, and that Stork had injury issues that would plaque him in the NFL. This is not something I just came up with today.

That is what I am thinking; I am not trying to win an argument. I think Easley will be great; Garopollo will be a good backup and a tradable asset unlike Mallett. Fleming has upside as an OG down, and White will help out in the passing game and be a solid depth RB.

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I do not believe there is a person on the planet whose confidence or lack of confidence in this draft class is at all impacted by what you thought of the draft picks.
Aren't you the guy who called Halapio a great pick after someone said he looked aggressive in shorts?
If you weren't trying to just win an argument you wouldn't be shouting down everyone who disagrees with you.

AndyJohnson said:

I do not believe there is a person on the planet whose confidence or lack of confidence in this draft class is at all impacted by what you thought of the draft picks.

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I would agree except you an a few others seem pretty intent on arguing my opinion for people who do not give a crap about it. If I do not give a crap about it I would not invest 15-20 posts into it, just saying.

Aren't you the guy who called Halapio a great pick after someone said he looked aggressive in shorts?
If you weren't trying to just win an argument you wouldn't be shouting down everyone who disagrees with you.

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No I never said he was a great pick, not even close. I was giving him a chance being optimistic, but never said he was great, I did not think he had the speed or agility to play in the NFL. He is a violent blocker, which I like.

AndyJohnson said:

And you feel that you are a better judge of that than Bill Belichick?

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No, but Belichick is not without flaw especially with the draft.

Tell me, how much time have you spent breaking down college tape of these 2 players?

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I watched most of their games last season and in the years prior.

Then please explain your training, experience and knowledge that would allow you to be able to grade and assess that film. Have you played at an equivalent level, played the OL at any level, coached the OL, been a football evaluator?

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I played OT, LB, and DL in K-12 and LB in college.
Do you have training? Because you seem to believe you are empowered to disagree with my assessment, how is that any different from me offering my assessment?

You literally are implying that you would do a better job knowing who to draft than any NFL GM much less just BB.

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No I am implying that I did not like Stork or Halapio during the draft and I do not like them now.

Brady6 said:

If you are going to make stupid comments that make zero sense, I am not going to talk to you anymore about this. 2023 has not happen; the 2014 draft class has completed OTA, Training Camp and 75% of the Preseason. If you do not have a rebuttal just move along do not waste my time with nonsense like this.


Emphasis on the arrow point UP.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=189&draftyear=2000&genpos=QB

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Remember the whole, I am going to try to behave like a grown up stuff you regularly post. You aren't doing it right now.

moosekill said:

Remember the whole, I am going to try to behave like a grown up stuff you regularly post. You aren't doing it right now.

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I disagree.

Nothing I said was childish, or disrespectful it was direct. If he is going to exaggerate things by posting about 2023, etc. I am not going to waste my time, if you he wants to have real discussion I am down for it.

Simply disliking my post is not reason to get angry, or to refer to it as childish, thinking my opinion has to the be the same as yours or I suck, that is childish, I respect others opinions even if I disagree with them.

Brady6 said:

I would agree except you an a few others seem pretty intent on arguing my opinion for people who do not give a crap about it. If I do not give a crap about it I would not invest 15-20 posts into it, just saying.

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You are a lightning rod for responses because you cry back at anyone who disagrees.
You also sound like you think your opinion, and prediction is right and anyone who disagrees is either stupid or illiterate. Read how you respond to people. Its not good.

No I never said he was a great pick, not even close. I was giving him a chance being optimistic, but never said he was great, I did not think he had the speed or agility to play in the NFL. He is a violent blocker, which I like.

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You didn't do a 180 and get all positive about him after saying he was about the worst pick ever?
Come on now.