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I disagree, this past drafts was one of the deepest in recent memory, if 3 of 8 picks do not even make the team it will be a disappointment.

That's an odd way of thinking about it. If Easley turns into a Jones-esque force on the DL, JG develops into Brady's successor, and, say, Stork becomes a serviceable center, is that still a disappointment even if the remaining picks are cut today?
 
I'm sure you think that, and yes it does make you sound like one.
How could I be disappointed with a draft choice before their first season started? That is just silly.
Well as I said in my original post – SO FAR the draft class has been disappointing, and it has been, the only player that has done anything noteworthy in 3 preseason games is Garopollo, the other 7 have either been OK, poor, or not played due to injury.
Whether a draft pick is good or bad has nothing to do with what you think after reading reports. It has to do with what happens to the player. You really have to deKiperize. The people who know the most about evaluating football players are employed by NFL teams, not the media.
I guess Brady was a bad pick back in 2001, huh?
Tom Brady had as a sixth round draft grade; his stock was on the rise predraft – no, he was not a poor pick. It is ironic that you mention Brady a sixth round pick in the same thread were you have been advocating that we should be OK with sixth round picks not doing well and not be disappointed if they do not.
 
Well as I said in my original post – SO FAR the draft class has been disappointing
I have no idea what your expectations were but when the first pick is a player coming off a torn ACL, the second player is a QB, several lower OL are taken and a RB who has Ridley/Vereen on the roster, I didn't expect a lot by this time. This looked like a future draft to me. At the time Cannon, Vereen, Ridley, Mallett were headed into contract years, Mankins into a virtual contract year.
 
That's an odd way of thinking about it. If Easley turns into a Jones-esque force on the DL, JG develops into Brady's successor, and, say, Stork becomes a serviceable center, is that still a disappointment even if the remaining picks are cut today?
Do you know what – SO FAR means? I am assessing the draft class as of today 8/27/2014, and it has been disappointing up until now. If you disagree with that, I do not know what to tell you.

As far as Garopollo, being Brady’s successor Brady is signed through 2017 and has every intent of playing it out and then some, Garopollo is signed through 2017. The only way Garopollo becomes a starter is if Brady is injured, which has happen 1 time in 13 seasons so the likelihood is low (knock on wood). The Patriots giving Garopollo a second contract without him even starting a regular season game seems extremely unlikely. Garopollo is Mallett’s successor, and posters suggesting anything more than that are putting the cart far before the horse.

You are objecting to my assessment based on the future, which would be acceptable if I said this draft, class sucks and always will, but I made a point to type “SO FAR” because I was trying to avoid the parade of posters who enjoy and seek out internet confrontation. I am not saying you are one of them, because you may not have read every post and this is your only one so do not take that last sentence personal.
 
Well, your Life on Mars (loved that show) wasnt exactly designed to be respectful and non-confrontational.
 
I have no idea what your expectations were but when the first pick is a player coming off a torn ACL, the second player is a QB, several lower OL are taken and a RB who has Ridley/Vereen on the roster, I didn't expect a lot by this time. This looked like a future draft to me. At the time Cannon, Vereen, Ridley, Mallett were headed into contract years, Mankins into a virtual contract year.
We should have a webinar comprehension workshop for this board; this is painful, how hard is it to understand “So Far”.
 
Well, your Life on Mars (loved that show) wasnt exactly designed to be respectful and non-confrontational.
No it was frustration, that nobody reads posts, they just pick out things they can argue about and latch onto it.
 
Well as I said in my original post – SO FAR the draft class has been disappointing, and it has been, the only player that has done anything noteworthy in 3 preseason games is Garopollo, the other 7 have either been OK, poor, or not played due to injury.
So far, the draft class hasn't had an NFL game to play.
So far I'm very disappointed in the 2023 Patriots.

Tom Brady had as a sixth round draft grade; his stock was on the rise predraft – no, he was not a poor pick. It is ironic that you mention Brady a sixth round pick in the same thread were you have been advocating that we should be OK with sixth round picks not doing well and not be disappointed if they do not.
His stock was rising. Please show me how you know this. Its a made up statement. He was drafted 199th. He almost didn't get drafted.
He is the best draft pick ever because of what happened after the draft.
What people guessed about him before the draft has nothing to do with whether he was a good pick or not.
I suppose you think Chad Jackson and Brandon Tate were great picks because everyone had them rated higher and they were steals.
There is nothing ironic is discussing a player that was drafted in a part of the draft where almost all of the players on the board will turn out to contribute very little, because it illustrates that there is value in the pick, but also that the value is a longshot.
Is there no value in a lottery ticket before you know whether it wins or not?
 
We should have a webinar comprehension workshop for this board; this is painful, how hard is it to understand “So Far”.
I am well aware of what "so far" means, thank you very much. However if you have expectations for the draft to help later in the year (Easley), next year (White, OL) and even later (Garrapolo) then calling it disappointing so far before the year has even begun isn't appropriate.
 
You are missing the point.

If 1st picks have a 20-30% chance of being a bust and 2nd round picks hover in the 50 percentile of being a bust around the league.. then 3 of our 8 draft picks not making the team means very little.

Towards the end of the 2nd round the chances of a player becoming even an average player in the NFL drop to the point that the odds are against him.
I can still be disappointed in the picks. I have 0.0000000000001% chance of winning the lottery but I am still disappointed if I lose.
 
We should have a webinar comprehension workshop for this board; this is painful, how hard is it to understand “So Far”.
We should also have a webinar about not crying about every post that disagrees with yours.
Pretty much no one feels you are right. Accept that.
It doesn't mean you are wrong, because only time will tell, but it means that most everyone doesn't see it your way.
Why not just understand instead of going on a mission to insult and alienate everyone on the board?
Just my opinion. If you prefer I will ignore your posts.
 
Well as I said in my original post – SO FAR the draft class has been disappointing, and it has been, the only player that has done anything noteworthy in 3 preseason games is Garopollo, the other 7 have either been OK, poor, or not played due to injury.

Tom Brady had as a sixth round draft grade; his stock was on the rise predraft – no, he was not a poor pick. It is ironic that you mention Brady a sixth round pick in the same thread were you have been advocating that we should be OK with sixth round picks not doing well and not be disappointed if they do not.
But who the hell cares about "so far". So far isn't even one game in, or even the whole pre season in. Why sit here and judge this draft class when they haven't even played one actual real NFL snap yet? It's impossible to say if it was good or bad yet. There is no so far. We are at point 0. Right now you are only embarassing yourself with your complaining.

Garoppollo may very well be seen by the coaching staff as Bradys possible successor. The coaching staff may feel like they rather start a bit early to find the next franshise QB as that is something that is proven hard to do. Saying that he is impossibly the next Franshise QB because Brady is "signed through" obviously shows that you don't really know how Belichick works(See Mankins et al) and how QBs can quickly decline at high age. Would I love to have Brady continue to play like he does for the next 10 years? You bet I would. But history shows that at his age decline can come quickly and that it's better to be early to find a replacement, like the Colts or Packers, than it is to be late finding a replacement, like the Dolphins. If you don't think the coaching staff put some good thought into the question about whether the 2nd round QB could be our future franshise QB when our current Franshise QB is 37 years old then you don't haven't taken a good look at how Belichick operates and what he says.
 
I can still be disappointed in the picks. I have 0.0000000000001% chance of winning the lottery but I am still disappointed if I lose.
These players haven't played a single game yet, and you calling them a loss?
 
So far, the draft class hasn't had an NFL game to play.
So far I'm very disappointed in the 2023 Patriots.
If you are going to make stupid comments that make zero sense, I am not going to talk to you anymore about this. 2023 has not happen; the 2014 draft class has completed OTA, Training Camp and 75% of the Preseason. If you do not have a rebuttal just move along do not waste my time with nonsense like this.

His stock was rising. Please show me how you know this. Its a made up statement. He was drafted 199th. He almost didn't get drafted.
Emphasis on the arrow point UP.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=189&draftyear=2000&genpos=QB
 
Do you know what – SO FAR means? I am assessing the draft class as of today 8/27/2014, and it has been disappointing up until now. If you disagree with that, I do not know what to tell you.

As far as Garopollo, being Brady’s successor Brady is signed through 2017 and has every intent of playing it out and then some, Garopollo is signed through 2017. The only way Garopollo becomes a starter is if Brady is injured, which has happen 1 time in 13 seasons so the likelihood is low (knock on wood). The Patriots giving Garopollo a second contract without him even starting a regular season game seems extremely unlikely. Garopollo is Mallett’s successor, and posters suggesting anything more than that are putting the cart far before the horse.

You are objecting to my assessment based on the future, which would be acceptable if I said this draft, class sucks and always will, but I made a point to type “SO FAR” because I was trying to avoid the parade of posters who enjoy and seek out internet confrontation. I am not saying you are one of them, because you may not have read every post and this is your only one so do not take that last sentence personal.

I don't really want to wade too far into this. Let's just say I find the usefulness of evaluating a draft class between the third and fourth preseason games to be virtually nil.

The only point I will address is Brady/JG. Of course while we all want Brady to play forever I think it's realistic, at this point, to begin grooming his successor so when it comes time for a changing of the guards, the Patriots will be well prepared and not scrambling for years to find a decent QB like well over half the teams in the NFL. Jury's going to be out for a long time on whether JG is that guy. But I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Brady retires at the expiry of his contract. I just don't see him as the type of guy to hang on when his engine is out of gas. He's smart enough to go out while he's still on top.
 
But who the hell cares about "so far". So far isn't even one game in, or even the whole pre season in. Why sit here and judge this draft class when they haven't even played one actual real NFL snap yet? It's impossible to say if it was good or bad yet. There is no so far. We are at point 0. Right now you are only embarassing yourself with your complaining.
Seriously someone needs to tell Belichick he should not have cut Thomas, we do not assess draft choices until they play at least one meaningful game.

I am embarrassing myself; that is hilarious, at least my grammar is higher than a fifth grader, and I can comprehend the difference between “so far” and a conclusion.

Other than you and the other people in this room right now complaining about me finding the draft class disappointing so far who is complaining. I posted an opinion, it was not a complaint it was my position on the draft class at this point. All I have heard is complaints about my opinion and excuses since 8am this morning, give it a rest, the draft class has done very little so far, you cannot argue that, so stop trying and stop complaining that I pointed out reality and that reality makes you mad.
 
It is way to early to grade this draft. So far though I am happy with it.

Easley on the last few days the media could see him looked REALLY good. I don't care if he misses preseason as long as he can do that in the regular season.

Garopollo is a pick I was unsure about. After his offseason though I am complete sold on it. A++ People who say we should have picked someone else at that spot are CRAZY. Garo looks like a potential franchise QB. I don't care if he does not contribute in the next few years. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER pass up on a guy you think is a franchise QB. They are just too hard to come by and QBs bust too often. Ask yourself "what would it take for me to trade Garopollo right now?". After you honestly answer this question how can you possible call this anything but a great pick.

What guarantee do you have we could pick a guy that has half his potential if we passed on him in that draft? I sure don't wanna be the Dolphins post Marino. I am happy to trade a low 2nd for what now looks like a good chance that we won't be that.

Those 2 players alone have made this a solid draft IMO. White has shown a little something at least as a pass catcher to this point. If one of the OL step up and be a starter next year that would make this a good draft. Usually if you draft 3 good starter level players you had a good draft
 
I don't really want to wade too far into this. Let's just say I find the usefulness of evaluating a draft class between the third and fourth preseason games to be virtually nil.
JB right now as we speak Belichick is assessing the 2014 draft class deciding if they are good enough to make the team, he already assessed Thomas and determined he was not good enough. If Belichick is doing it I have to believe it is useful.
 
If you are going to make stupid comments that make zero sense, I am not going to talk to you anymore about this. 2023 has not happen; the 2014 draft class has completed OTA, Training Camp and 75% of the Preseason. If you do not have a rebuttal just move along do not waste my time with nonsense like this.
They are the same thing. These players have not taken the field yet.
I'm sorry if you want to be a Junior Kiper and tell everyone how what you read other people say about players determines what they will be.



You are joking right?

Please explain how Frank Cooney did an exhaustive study on the guy he ranked around 200th of the 32 people who's opinions mattered about whether his stock was rising or not.

You do realize that what this means is that Frank Cooney guesses at a list and when he does another one if he guesses a guy higher he calls his arrow up. In other words, it is absolutely meaningless.
 
And there could be life on Mars.
Considering that it is very likely that Mars once had an an Oxygen rich atmosphere and liquid water on the surface, there is a decent chance that some microbial life that still exists below the surface.
 
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