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Extending Revis won't be cheap.

"Straight cash, homey."

I'm guessing that they'll be trying to keep Revis/McCourty, which would be a very good thing.

This money should go to that cause. In the meantime, we'll have to hope for the best on the interior OL.
 
Well I guess its time for me to weigh in on this surprising move. I haven't read the entire thread. Just the last few pages. I imagine the all the outrage and disbelief occurred in the first 10 pages, because the last 3 have been pretty level headed. Personally I believe that this was more of a cap move than anything else. Its simply a case of a highly paid player who is no longer playing at a level that justified his enormous cap number. That's not saying Mankins was playing badly, just not up to the same level that earned him that big contract.

The Bucs were clearly looking for an impact offensive lineman, as they also looked into the SF lineman who is holding out. And even at a reduced level, Mankins fits that bill. Wright and the pick are simply throw ins to balance the value. Unlike many, I was fine with the TE situation as it stood (Gronk, Hooman, and Devlin). But Wright would seem to be an improvement in receiving talent to the position. A player who might develop into a real threat, but right now isn't likely to make much of an immediate impact. The 4th round pick just is what it is.

Like many have already stated. Mankins is still playing at an above average level, but NOT to the level that justified his cap number. So in the end, this trade (at least to me) is more about trading a declining Mamkins so we can keep an ascending McCourty, plus one of the top 3 CB's in the league for the next 3 or 4 years. THAT alone makes this a fair trade. Wright and the pick are just potential bonuses.

So the mediots can rant all they want about the Pats being cheap, or Kraft getting even for a contract dispute that happened 3 years ago ( :rolleyes: ). It may be cliche, but what many people have pointed out is true. Better a year too early, than a year too late
 
Well I guess its time for me to weigh in on this surprising move. I haven't read the entire thread. Just the last few pages. I imagine the all the outrage and disbelief occurred in the first 10 pages, because the last 3 have been pretty level headed. Personally I believe that this was more of a cap move than anything else. Its simply a case of a highly paid player who is no longer playing at a level that justified his enormous cap number. That's not saying Mankins was playing badly, just not up to the same level that earned him that big contract.

The Bucs were clearly looking for an impact offensive lineman, as they also looked into the SF lineman who is holding out. And even at a reduced level, Mankins fits that bill. Wright and the pick are simply throw ins to balance the value. Unlike many, I was fine with the TE situation as it stood (Gronk, Hooman, and Devlin). But Wright would seem to be an improvement in receiving talent to the position. A player who might develop into a real threat, but right now isn't likely to make much of an immediate impact. The 4th round pick just is what it is.

Like many have already stated. Mankins is still playing at an above average level, but NOT to the level that justified his cap number. So in the end, this trade (at least to me) is more about trading a declining Mamkins so we can keep an ascending McCourty, plus one of the top 3 CB's in the league for the next 3 or 4 years. THAT alone makes this a fair trade. Wright and the pick are just potential bonuses.

So the mediots can rant all they want about the Pats being cheap, or Kraft getting even for a contract dispute that happened 3 years ago ( :rolleyes: ). It may be cliche, but what many people have pointed out is true. Better a year too early, than a year too late

I will certainly miss Logan Mankins, but it's difficult to argue with your take on this. In the meantime, I think you may end up pleased with Tim Wright over the next 1-2 years, especially if he bulks up a bit and improves on his blocking--which will likely occur on a meaningful level prior to next season.
 
It's a good move for the future because in 3 years when Mankins is 35 and been in the league 12 years the Patriots will potentially have 2 young players taking quality snaps.

It's a bad move for right now, imo, because he's clearly better than any other interior lineman on this team. But that's how they manage the team - to compete year in and year out so I'll take the medicine no matter how bitter because they keep winning.
 
It's a good move for the future because in 3 years when Mankins is 35 and been in the league 12 years the Patriots will potentially have 2 young players taking quality snaps.

It's a bad move for right now, imo, because he's clearly better than any other interior lineman on this team. But that's how they manage the team - to compete year in and year out so I'll take the medicine no matter how bitter because they keep winning.

I definitely agree that this move has the potential to be a good "value" move, but can hurt us in the immediate sense. I liken this to the Seymour trade right before the season, although the loss of Seymour probably hurt much more than "just" one season.

I'm not sure if Mankins would have been here past this season though, so if we were able to get something out of it now and can use the savings for McC/Revis, that will be great!
 
Height and weight for a year and a half ago are about as useful as combine 40 times. He doesn't look small in the videos. He could easily go from 220 to 230 in a year under a pro fitness regimen.

It's funny that everyone wanted to convert another Rutgers WR to TE but this one already has been and people complain. If Harrison had the season that Wright just had, people would be bustin a nut.
 
I will certainly miss Logan Mankins, but it's difficult to argue with your take on this. In the meantime, I think you may end up pleased with Tim Wright over the next 1-2 years, especially if he bulks up a bit and improves on his blocking--which will likely occur on a meaningful level prior to next season.
I saw this stat that makes the Wright acquisition understandable. Last season, with Gronk on the field, the Pats ranked 5th in red zone efficiency. Without him they ranked 30th. :eek: Getting Brady some bigger GL targets seemed to be a goal this off season. Now between Dobson, LaFell, and Wright, to go along with Gronk; Brady will have no shortage of big red zone targets.

So while I don't see Wright making a big impact on the offense, or mean we will be going back to the 2 TE glory days; I do see him being a viable red zone threat.
 
It's a bad move for right now, imo, because he's clearly better than any other interior lineman on this team.
That's the thing, Fnord, we don't know if he's clearly better than any other interior lineman. Granted he probably is, even at a reduced level. But the real question is, "how much better". We have to infer that the answer to that is, "not much". Other wise, he doesn't make the trade.

Based on some of the pass blocking stats that have been thrown around, we might have a better pass blocking OL without Mankins in the line up, though, by those same stats, he was still elite as a run blocker. So a drop off there should be expected.
 
I am simply not going to miss him. There I said it. He hasn't played the best in big games and I have for years thought he was overrated. I honestly don't believe this equates anywhere near the Seymour trade.

I would feel more comfortable if Dante was still here, but our guys stepped up just fine the time Mankins sat out half the year and I expect, for the most part, more of the same.
 
01 ~ Height and weight for a year and a half ago are about as useful as combine 40 times. He doesn't look small in the videos. He could easily go from 220 to 230 in a year under a pro fitness regimen.

02 ~ It's funny that everyone wanted to convert another Rutgers WR to TE but this one already has been and people complain.

01 ~ Considering that the vast majority of "Skill Position" Players actually remain very close to their Pre-Draft weight, your assertion that "Height and weight for a year and a half ago are about as useful as combine 40 times." is ludicrous, to put it kindly. As I said: "Tim Wright, unless he's beefed up considerably from his College 6030/219, is a Split End."


02 ~ Correction: Not "everyone" wanted to switch Harrison to Flex End. I was adamantly against it.
 
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Interesting commentary from the Tampa Newspaper, they somehow think that BB fleeced them.. again. The legend of BB rides on...

http://tbo.com/list/sports-columns-mfennelly/trade-shows-bucs-all-about-now-and-how-20140827/

The only thing that worries me is that the Bucs made a deal with: Belichick.

If Mankins is retired a year from now and Tim Wright has 100 catches, we’ll let you know.

It’s just that Bill Belichick always seems to get the best of the Bucs. Hey, Belichick pulled a lot more out of LeGarrette Blount and a lot more out of Aqib Talib, and what did the Bucs get? A Belichick recommendation to the Glazers that they hire ... Greg Schiano. Thanks, Mr. Bill!

Maybe Belichick is dumping Mankins’ salary (he’s reportedly the highest paid guard in the NFL) to stay ahead, like always (see Lawyer Milloy, Richard Seymour).
 
Height and weight for a year and a half ago are about as useful as combine 40 times. He doesn't look small in the videos. He could easily go from 220 to 230 in a year under a pro fitness regimen.

It's funny that everyone wanted to convert another Rutgers WR to TE but this one already has been and people complain. If Harrison had the season that Wright just had, people would be bustin a nut.

Indeed. We all should be ecstatic about this addition!

Wright just went for 54 receptions, 571 yards and 5 touchdowns, in a rookie campaign that saw him transitioning from WR to TE. How many other rookie TE's have posted such gaudy #'s?

Just wait until he and Brady get in synch!
 
Did anyone else get PO'd when you saw we got Wright? Not due to the player himself, but just that his acquisition makes it so seemingly clear that the 2 TE offense is back in business. After a year plus of being told "we don't do that anymore, it was just due to having two great talents at the position, we are a 3 WR offense now, no more 2 TE stuff"... I eventually nodded my head at the beginning of this offseason and said yeah, you know what, our receivers are going to be good. We don't need the 2 TE!

Then I was at the fair today with the family and my phone alerted me that a bunch of Patriots beat reporters were retweeting Glazer's tweet, I check it and see we got Wright and I just about sh*t.

I mean, come on. It's like breaking up with your girlfriend, and after missing her for so long, you finally say you know what, I'm better off now. Then she texts you she misses you, and you're back down the rabbit hole... Thankfully I'm married now and don't have to deal with that sorta stuff, but BB still feels the need to tug on my heart strings sometimes it appears.


Belichick 101: NEVER categorize Belichick. Really, who even TRIES that anymore?

This afternoon he may trade Wright for a Long Snapper.
 
Lloyd's of London just rejected Tom Brady's insurance application today.


Obviously, you are hyperventilating, but the Patriots were 6-1 and had the best record in the NFL with Donald Thomas at LG when Mankins (who was more in his prime at the time) held out in 2011.

The best win of the season last year (41-7 on the road against the Ravens) had Josh Kline paying the entire game at LG.

The facts simply don't bear out your panic attack.
 
Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer39 secs
Breaking: the Patriots have agreed to parameters of a trade to send Pro Bowl guard Logan Mankins to the Bucs for a pick and TE Tim Wright

Jay Glazer ‏@JayGlazer39 secs
Breaking: the Patriots have agreed to parameters of a trade to send Pro Bowl guard Logan Mankins to the Bucs for a pick and TE Tim Wright

Tim Wright was getting ripped by Lovie Smith in camp directly out in the media. He was likely to be cut, from what I know. We could have had him for nothing. Did we really get him and a 4th for one of the best guards in the NFL?
 
Tim Wright was getting ripped by Lovie Smith in camp directly out in the media. He was likely to be cut, from what I know. We could have had him for nothing. Did we really get him and a 4th for one of the best guards in the NFL?


You mean "offensive genius" Lovie Smith?????

And please. He wasn't getting cut. Dude caught 54 passes switching to a new position as a UDFA last year. They understand he was playing out of position and drafted Sefarius-Jenkins. They had already moved him back to slot WR in TC and he was having initial problems in that offense with the switch from last year. Smith came out a week later and claimed he was just "lighting a fire under him" with those comments. You may want to research that better.

And, when you talk about the 2014 Logan Mankins and claim he is one of the best Guards in the NFL, do you mean one of the top 3 or one of the top 12?

Give me Revis and McCourty over his bloated salary cap anyday.
 
Tim Wright was getting ripped by Lovie Smith in camp directly out in the media. He was likely to be cut, from what I know. We could have had him for nothing. Did we really get him and a 4th for one of the best guards in the NFL?

Lovie Smith has long since backtracked on that statement. But regardless -- surely it's clear that the Patriots didn't part with Mankins unwillingly because it's the only way they could get Tim Wright!

They asked Mankins to renegotiate his contract, he refused, they started shopping him. There's no reason to think that Tim Wright was the root of the Mankins trade, he's just a side benefit. I'm happy to have him.
 
That's the thing, Fnord, we don't know if he's clearly better than any other interior lineman. Granted he probably is, even at a reduced level. But the real question is, "how much better". We have to infer that the answer to that is, "not much". Other wise, he doesn't make the trade.

Based on some of the pass blocking stats that have been thrown around, we might have a better pass blocking OL without Mankins in the line up, though, by those same stats, he was still elite as a run blocker. So a drop off there should be expected.

Exactly. On the surface the "11 sacks allowed" by Mankins alone justifies cutting him but as always each sack has it's own story behind it (was he helping another lineman, etc.). If you go by Football Outsiders, they will absolutely miss his run blocking.

I am one of those who thinks that they can replace most of his production. The question is can they replace the physicality he brought to the running game....?
 
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