Logan Mankins Traded

manxman2601 said:

I noticed on Miguel's site that they save $42 m by cutting Tom Brady next year.

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42 million dollars? Say, what?

BobDigital said:

BTW has it occurred to no one else that this move probably indicates Mallet is done here?

We are probably carrying

TE 3 WR 6 (counting Slater) OL 9 RB/FB 5. That is 23. Only room for 2 QBs unless we carry another guy on O or make a surprise cut to either WR or RB (I doubt we only go Ridley Vereen White Develin).

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How does gaining one player (Wright) and losing one player (Mankins) have anything to do with whether or not we'd keep Ryan Mallett, or change the scenario from yesterday?

You may be right that they cut Mallett, but I can't understand the logic behind it.

42 million dollars? Say, what?

***geddaboudit, Supa...he must be drunk on fish and chips

supafly said:

How does gaining one player (Wright) and losing one player (Mankins) have anything to do with whether or not we'd keep Ryan Mallett, or change the scenario from yesterday?

You may be right that they cut Mallett, but I can't understand the logic behind it.

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This is why no one has mentioned it. Cause on the surface you wouldn't initally look at it.

However before we got Wright there was a very real possibility we would carry only 2 TEs. Now with Wright we are almost certain to carry 3.

Now when you take Mankins out of the OL (which was probably going to be 9) the difference here is you don't now carry 8. You still carry 9 but just move someone else up the depth chart. So maybe now a guy like Devey, Wendell or Stork makes it on to the roster when he might have been cut or put on IR previously.

BobDigital said:

This is why no one has mentioned it. Cause on the surface you wouldn't initally look at it.

However before we got Wright there was a very real possibility we would carry only 2 TEs. Now with Wright we are almost certain to carry 3.

Now when you take Mankins out of the OL (which was probably going to be 9) the difference here is you don't now carry 8. You still carry 9 but just move someone else up the depth chart. So maybe now a guy like Devey, Wendell or Stork makes it on to the roster when he might have been cut or put on IR previously.

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Knowing how BB values roster spot versatility, I wonder if the addition of Wright now opens up the possibility that one of the OL skilled players (Kline or Maneri) who we saw line up as blocking TE this pre-season, is kept on the 53 in lieu of Hooman?

supafly said:

42 million dollars? Say, what?

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Joker said:

42 million dollars? Say, what?

***geddaboudit, Supa...he must be drunk on fish and chips

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It's very likely I'm misreading Miguels web site - I'm not great with this cap stuff but that's $42 m under the heading "2015 Cap Savings if Cut or Traded before June 2,"

SVN said:

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/08/26/logan-mankins-tim-wright-trade/

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At least someone remembered to put "former' in front of "all-pro guard" in an article.

I picked up Madden 15 today and Mankins is still a Patriot, till the next update, lol...

I know at least one guy who loves this trade.

Michael Brimecombe ‏@brimecombe25 5m
@Trags Met Tim Wright earlier tonight at the airport. Not sure I've ever seen someone so excited to be traded. #Patriots

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manxman2601 said:

It's very likely I'm misreading Miguels web site - I'm not great with this cap stuff but that's $42 m under the heading "2015 Cap Savings if Cut or Traded before June 2,"

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I really hope we are not discussing Brady being cut or traded because we traded a guard who less than 5 years ago held out half a season because he cared more about money than the teams success to Tom Brady a 3 time SB winning QB who embodies everything team first about the Patriots way?

That would be silly.

Bobs My Uncle said:

Knowing how BB values roster spot versatility, I wonder if the addition of Wright now opens up the possibility that one of the OL skilled players (Kline or Maneri) who we saw line up as blocking TE this pre-season, is kept on the 53 in lieu of Hooman?

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Hooman has been hurt a bit but i hear he will be ready to go week 1 and BB really like how versitle Hooman is and how good of a blocker he is. That is something we probably want to keep. If i had to pick a guy to be cut though to be a surprise. Right now i'd guess Lafell. But i don't see that either.

BobDigital said:

However before we got Wright there was a very real possibility we would carry only 2 TEs. Now with Wright we are almost certain to carry 3.

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I see. So, basically you're saying that the addition of the 3rd TE will cut off a roster spot from somewhere else. While I'd agree with that, I also think we're assuming that it's definitely going to come from the offensive side of the ball.

BobDigital said:

Now when you take Mankins out of the OL (which was probably going to be 9) the difference here is you don't now carry 8. You still carry 9 but just move someone else up the depth chart. So maybe now a guy like Devey, Wendell or Stork makes it on to the roster when he might have been cut or put on IR previously.

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I'm not sure that the 9 OL matter that much in terms of changing the future for the backup QB. Whether Mankins was one of them or not isn't going to matter, is it? We're downgrading in talent in those 9 OL, but I don't see any differences otherwise.

Brady6 said:

I really hope we are not discussing Brady being cut or traded because we traded a guard who less than 5 years ago held out half a season because he cared more about money than the teams success to Tom Brady a 3 time SB winning QB who embodies everything team first about the Patriots way?

That would be silly.

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I'm guessing that manxman was making the comment in a tongue in cheek sort of way, judging by his pictures that he included with his post.

That said, I can't figure out how we'd save 42 million dollars by cutting Tom Brady, but that's why I'm not in charge of these things...because I'm not smart enough. I was under the assumption that the rest of Brady's money becomes fully guaranteed if he's on the roster the last week of this year, or something to that effect.

With the release of Kelly, Anderson, and Smith, along with the trade of Mankins the average age on the 75 man roster is 25.26 years old. Youth is being served in New England.

BobDigital said:

Hooman has been hurt a bit but i hear he will be ready to go week 1 and BB really like how versitle Hooman is and how good of a blocker he is. That is something we probably want to keep. If i had to pick a guy to be cut though to be a surprise. Right now i'd guess Lafell. But i don't see that either.

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I think Develin can replace Hooman's reps.

With Wright now on board, I could see LaFell possibly falling victim to the numbers game. But only if Dobson is healthy.

supafly said:

I'm guessing that manxman was making the comment in a tongue in cheek sort of way, judging by his pictures that he included with his post.

That said, I can't figure out how we'd save 42 million dollars by cutting Tom Brady, but that's why I'm not in charge of these things...because I'm not smart enough. I was under the assumption that the rest of Brady's money becomes fully guaranteed if he's on the roster the last week of this year, or something to that effect.

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I am with you Sup, I am very fond of Manx, and he is as bright a posters as we have on this board so I agree with it being more tongue and cheek. I was just making a broad statement, people overrate how entrenched in the Patriots way Logan Mankins was, he was a great player for a number of years but he was not like Brady, Wilfork, Faulk, etc. he did his job.

Mankins has been adequate in his time here...but in all honesty he started mailing it in after he got his big contract. At least half of the times Brady was on his a $$ after being sacked.....it was because mankins BLEW his assignment and did the OLE' bullfighter routine........no loss here.....

FirstAndGoal said:

Wow, can't say I'm excited about this. I guess I'll just have to say "In Bill We Trust" and see how this develops.

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Brady6 said:

I really hope we are not discussing Brady being cut or traded because we traded a guard who less than 5 years ago held out half a season because he cared more about money than the teams success to Tom Brady a 3 time SB winning QB who embodies everything team first about the Patriots way?

That would be silly.

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Of course I'm not. It was a tongue in cheek response to a Game of Thrones/Red Wedding post.

supafly said:

I'm guessing that manxman was making the comment in a tongue in cheek sort of way, judging by his pictures that he included with his post.

That said, I can't figure out how we'd save 42 million dollars by cutting Tom Brady, but that's why I'm not in charge of these things...because I'm not smart enough. I was under the assumption that the rest of Brady's money becomes fully guaranteed if he's on the roster the last week of this year, or something to that effect.

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The 42 mil is the sum of the final three years of Brady's contract I've noticed so I think Miguel is saying that we save that much over three years but because of the way his website is structured it reads like it's a one off saving.

Bobs My Uncle said:

I think Develin can replace Hooman's reps.

With Wright now on board, I could see LaFell possibly falling victim to the numbers game. But only if Dobson is healthy.

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In his 4-year career LaFell has been a more productive player than any receiver on our team that includes Edelman entering his 6th season and Amendola entering his 7th season. If LaFell was cut I would be shocked, plus he is inexpensive, Amendola would get the ax if it were a numbers game because he would free the most cap space in 2015. That said none of Edelman, Amendola, LaFell, Dobson, or Thompkins are going to be cut. Wright is here to fill the void left by Hernandez as the move-TE our depth at WR has nothing to do with that.

The chart says negative $42,000 and is in red, meaning it's a negative savings, also known as an expense. Miguel is saying cutting/trading Brady would accelerate the remaining $42k of his deal onto that year's cap.

So no, Brady is going nowhere next year.