Logan Mankins Traded

resdubwhite said:

worried about the knee. not sure.


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Seriously guys, I love soccer but this is not the place for discussing it. Ask ian for a forum or go to another site. I defended the World Cup thread to the death and was grateful to ian for allowing it but this kind of intrusion into a thread about a major trade is a really bad idea and will only lead to antagonism from the haters.

Big-T said:

But those 2 have played wing back this season, Di Maria is not a wing back by any stretch of the imagination.



Moyes' mess? It's Ferguson who left them with an aging team with some over rated young players (Tom Cleverley...).

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Dude, you read my mind!

BradyFTW! said:

Was just checking Wright's combine, and he weighed in at 220. That doesn't seem right: in the few Bucs games I watched last year, he seemed heavier than that. Can anyone who follows the Bucs more closely than I do confirm that he's significantly heavier?

Because otherwise, he's much closer to Brandon LaFell than Aaron Hernandez.

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I saw almost all Bucs games last year and he has a similar build to Hernandez. Not quite as stocky and a little bit longer (3 inches taller) but he isn't anywhere near the prototype build for a TE. I think he may have been around 230 by the end of the year but that could be the max for his frame.

Ivan said:

Seriously guys, I love soccer but this is not the place for discussing it. Ask ian for a forum or go to another site. I defended the World Cup thread to the death and was grateful to ian for allowing it but this kind of intrusion into a thread about a major trade is a really bad idea and will only lead to antagonism from the haters.

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No worse than two posters bickering like children over a meaningless play. S'all a bit of fun

BritPat said:

It's nothing but a big name signing to appease the Green & Gold brigade. Looking at the formation United have used so far this season, he's not a fit, either at wing-back or in central midfield (far too lightweight). He's a winger. Nothing more, nothing less.

United desperately, and I mean desperately, need a centre back and at least one proper central midfielder.

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My confusion is deep with this message. Some secret Brit lingo?

So anyway. Still gutted. Logan will go down as one of the great Patriots, just a shame we could never get him a ring. Good luck in Tampa buddy!

People are definitely overlooking the addition of Tim Wright here. This wasn't a salary move at all. Well, that may have played a role but if Mankins was still good then I am positive they would not have made this move. They did it because they don't think Logan Mankins is that good anymore, and because they had a chance to get a very good young TE, which just happened to be their most pressing need.

I called out Mankins after the season for poor play and many people laughed at me. Looks like I got the last laugh now.

203Pat said:

I saw almost all Bucs games last year and he has a similar build to Hernandez. Not quite as stocky and a little bit longer (3 inches taller) but he isn't anywhere near the prototype build for a TE. I think he may have been around 230 by the end of the year but that could be the max for his frame.

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Right on, thanks for the insight. Seems like a tweener, from the sounds of it. My opinion is that, no matter what you call the guy, if he can't block a LB when you run behind him, he's basically just a big WR. Wright probably falls into that group.

patsinthesnow said:

TE: Gronk, Wright, Hooman
WR: Edelman, Dobson, KT, Lafell, Amendola
RB: Vereen

Brady shouldn't be weaponless ever again for the remainder of his career. All we really need to do is extend Vereen and the offense is pretty deep for the next 3-4 years.

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Gronk/Wright/Dobson/Lafell are ALL 6'3" or over.

"Jump Ball Joe" in Baltimore never had it as good as this!

PatsWickedPissah said:

My confusion is deep with this message. Some secret Brit lingo?

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He he. Fear not old chap, we shall forthwith resume with our good old Gridiron talk!

285 responses and counting. To quote Ron Burgandy..."This escalated quickly"

BritPat said:

No worse than two posters bickering like children over a meaningless play. S'all a bit of fun

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I don't disagree with that and i would love to see a soccer forum here that people actually would use but I do think bringing it into this thread invites the haters to trash it. I love the game and respect the knowledge you guys bring and have made that clear i just don't think this is the place for it.

Count me in the thumbs up camp. Why is trading away your best OL guard a good idea? Because 2 TE offense is a staple of this offense as it gives so many options that are hard to defend. Cause the disparity in play between Mankins and the new starting guard is not as big as the disparity in play between Wright and no one as Pats dont really have a move TE and dont tell me Hooey is a decent move TE. Cause Pats drafted 3 OL this year and have had all offseason and TC to evaluate them. Cause coaches have had all TC and 3 exhibition games to evaluate new rookies plus year 2 OLinemen. Cause frees up cap money to spend on more premium positions like (soon expiring contracts) for RB, CB's (for re-upping Revis or his replacement), $ for McCourtey, cause 4th round pick will likely be in top 20 as I dont see how TB makes playoff in loaded NFC and in same division as 'Nawlins and Falcons (should be good again). Cause Pats have good intel on Wright from Schiano / Revis. Cause Wright should fit right in and have ready made friends with former Rutgers players, and 13 million other good reasons.....

Yes, Mankins is (still) a very good player, but 13 million over 2 years is alot of money that can be better spend elsewhere. The offense will adjust its playcalling to compensate. The opposing teams defense will have (again) a hell of a time defending 2 pass catching TE's. Plus valuable insurance if Gronk is slow getting up to speed - was less than a year ago his knee was mangled so shouldn't overload his workload too early in the season. Pats have just re-opened up a big portion of their playbook again with a credible pass catching move TE.

AzPatsFan said:

We do have veterans at C and RG that were good enough to get to three consecutive AFCCGs and a SuperBowl, plus some new people too.

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And bad enough to be the main reason why we lost those games, as well as almost every other game we've lost for two years running.

By that logic, we were totally fine at WR and CB last year too, and everything that was done to upgrade after replacing Talib with Revis was unnecessary.

It's possible to make the AFCCG with genuinely bad units on your team. Hell, we made the SB in 2011 with one of the worst secondaries I've ever seen.

PatsWickedPissah said:

My confusion is deep with this message. Some secret Brit lingo?

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I suspect it is secret code describing British invasion plans. Where is Paul Revere when you need him?

BradyFTW! said:

Right on, thanks for the insight. Seems like a tweener, from the sounds of it. My opinion is that, no matter what you call the guy, if he can't block a LB when you run behind him, he's basically just a big WR. Wright probably falls into that group.

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I like him but he is definitely not much of a blocker.

Man, I frikkin' KNEW I should've stayed around the house today, being the first cut down and all. But no, I had to go run errands and get stuff for the kid for school. I come back, and Mankins is frikkin' TRADED to the Bucs. Sigh.

I mean, I get it. This is coach selling high and getting a good return before anyone realizes the guy has peaked and is just a wee bit long in the tooth.

But still. This was a serious Twilight Zone move.

Buckle up your chin straps, boys. It's fixin to be a right interesting week.

BradyToAmendola said:

People are definitely overlooking the addition of Tim Wright here. This wasn't a salary move at all. Well, that may have played a role but if Mankins was still good then I am positive they would not have made this move. They did it because they don't think Logan Mankins is that good anymore, and because they had a chance to get a very good young TE, which just happened to be their most pressing need.

I called out Mankins after the season for poor play and many people laughed at me. Looks like I got the last laugh now.

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He apparently sucks so bad that Tampa gave up a pick and a player and will pay him almost 10 million. Whether or not this is a good move has yet to be determined but your take that Mankins isn't very good is pretty much universally rejected by people who know football.

Ivan said:

I don't disagree with that and i would love to see a soccer forum here that people actually would use but I do think bringing it into this thread invites the haters to trash it. I love the game and respect the knowledge you guys bring and have made that clear i just don't think this is the place for it.

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Haters will invent reasons and occasions to trash it anyway

I might be adding 2+ 2 to get five, but in light of the Mankins trade, this tweet today was of interest:

Former Texans 3rd-round pick Brennan Williams has received interest from seven teams, per source. Rehabbing knee injury at TB12 center.

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https://twitter.com/DougKyedNESN/status/504345316574105602

The reason being, that in a rare leak of a Patriots draft board, we know that the Pats graded Williams pretty highly:

http://www.veooz.com/photos/yHLY6Mx.html

If you zoom in on the image you'll see that the Pats had him graded as a 7.0 whilst those being drafted around him, including Harmon had 5.5s.