Jimmy G set to play entire game Thursday

Marqui said:

Yeah I hope JAG lights it up and BB decides to trade Mallett to STL for a 7th.

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Fixed it for you.

patsinthesnow said:

@JumboHart: The @giants will reportedly play starters for 15-18 snaps on Thursday night against the #Patriots Interesting test for those Pats that play

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We all know how this is going to end. We're going to get a nice lead and something stupid will happen in the end and Giants will pull it out. Regular season, Super Bowl, Pre-season those ****ers do it every time. I think we've only beaten them in 09(pre-season) since that very unfortunate day in Glendale.

i like this......will make otherwise boring game, a little more interesting......plus i want to see if he can play well over an entire game

chasa said:

lets be real here people.

Mallet didn't do anything WRONG in his time with the patriots, but unfortunately for him, Brady isn't done playing, and the pats just are not a team that's going to pay a backup qb the kind of money mallet is going to get offered in FA. This definitely is not a case where the pats drafted a qb and he was a bust.

Mallet did what he was brought in to do, be the clipboard "just in case" player, he never got in trouble, and there was never any drama around him.

Jimmy G is the new future, and from what we have seen that future is bright.

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Agreed. I don't hate Mallet, but right now he is the interim piece and JG is the future. The Pats rightly want to see what they have in JG, so they are giving him the final preseason start. This doesn't mean we're cutting Mallet. It means we let him ride out as the #2 QB just in case the unthinkable happens.

You don't trade away a QB with 4 years experience in the system for garbage draft picks. Fact is Mallet is a lot more valuable to us than what the Market should be offering. So I feel that we keep him for the season and let him leave in free agency and just take whatever comp pick that brings.

VJCPatriot said:

Agreed. I don't hate Mallet, but right now he is the interim piece and JG is the future. The Pats rightly want to see what they have in JG, so they are giving him the final preseason start. This doesn't mean we're cutting Mallet. It means we let him ride out as the #2 QB just in case the unthinkable happens.

You don't trade away a QB with 4 years experience in the system for garbage draft picks. Fact is Mallet is a lot more valuable to us than what the Market should be offering. So I feel that we keep him for the season and let him leave in free agency and just take whatever comp pick that brings.

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Let me refer you to my earlier post in this thread

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/threads/jimmy-g-set-to-play-entire-game-thursday.1111503/page-2#post-3882162

This should be fun. I bet he has a great game.

I think this makes the game way more interesting because it'll actually be a real game in a sense. Part of the problem I have with preseason games is the lack of continuity, one string does well but then they leave and a new string and QB comes in, and everyone is focusing more on execution and not on the actual score and winning. In this case, JG will be trying to win, I would think, since he has the whole game to himself. Should be a fun watch, to see his competitive spirit.

As an aside, he really does sound JUST LIKE Brady on the field. In game 2 after he subbed in for Tom, I didn't even realize it had happened for like 4 plays because Jimmy's yells at the line were so eerily similar.

jimmy g wooooooooooo

OK...who spiked the board with acid?....jeez

An interesting thing to me, and I'm not sure it's been pointed out yet:

I believe the Giants' intend to play their starters for this game, as they've had a pretty horrible preseason to date.

I know I've heard their offense will certainly play, I hope their defense joins them and Garapollo gets a test against 1s without much support on his side. It'll be great to see how he performs with the odds stacked heavily against him.

It's also a win-win because he'll have an excuse of playing with less talent against starters or he'll either beat starters with a mix and match mostly 2nd team offense.

Get the bubble wrap ready for Mallett.

JMC00 said:

What??

They lose any chance to trade him after the training deadline as he is a FA. As for the comp pick, they maybe would get a 7th round pick for him. Not sure if BB right now wants a potential 2015 7th round pick more than he does an extra RB, DL, DB, or LB

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I'm not sure what math you're using to come up with the idea that losing a 3rd round pick to FA will only net us a 7th round comp pick.

PP2 said:

I'm not sure what math you're using to come up with the idea that losing a 3rd round pick to FA will only net us a 7th round comp pick.

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Especially considering that comp picks are based on the entire process combined, not just an individual player.

PP2 said:

I'm not sure what math you're using to come up with the idea that losing a 3rd round pick to FA will only net us a 7th round comp pick.

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The fact that Mallett was a 3rd round pick has nothing at all to do with the formula. It is mainly based on contractual value; with the other variables being post-season awards, and playing time factored into the formula (which ctpatsfan77 claim to be used as "tiebreakers.")

If Mallett goes on to get the kind of "borderline" starter/backup contract that most of us are expecting at around 2.5m per year, he'll bring nothing more than a low round pick for his part of the formula. I would think a 6th round pick, maybe a 5th at best--but again, it's a team-wide formula based on who we lose and who we sign in free agency.

Anyone expecting a mid round (3rd/4th) comp pick for our backup QB is huffing glue, unless he somehow ends up signed to the kind of pact that someone like Kevin Kolb ended up getting, and in my opinion that is very unlikely.

supafly said:

The fact that Mallett was a 3rd round pick has nothing at all to do with the formula. It is mainly based on contractual value; with the other variables being post-season awards, and playing time factored into the formula.

If Mallett goes on to get the kind of "borderline" starter/backup contract that most of us are expecting at around 2.5m per year, he'll bring nothing more than a low round pick for his part of the formula.

Anyone expecting a mid round comp pick for our backup QB is huffing glue, unless he somehow ends up signed to the kind of pact that someone like Kevin Kolb ended up getting, and in my opinion that is unlikely.

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Also remember that Mallet is only part of the formula, if we sign someone at equal value they will cancel out and no comp pick will be awarded. Or conversely, if Mallet and others leave and it adds up to a much large sum of the combined deals we may be awarded multiple high picks (eg. 2012 Ravens defense was almost entirely lost during the 2013 off season and for 2014 they were awarded about 18 bagillion comp picks).

At least that's how I (vaguely) understand it.

strngplyr said:

Also remember that Mallet is only part of the formula, if we sign someone at equal value they will cancel out and no comp pick will be awarded. Or conversely, if Mallet and others leave and it adds up to a much large sum of the combined deals we may be awarded multiple high picks (eg. 2012 Ravens defense was almost entirely lost during the 2013 off season and for 2014 they were awarded about 18 bagillion comp picks).

At least that's how I (vaguely) understand it.

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True--and I definitely agree, although in BAL's case their 4 comp picks were due to MAJOR contracts being signed by Elerbee, Kruger, Reed, and Cary Williams. Those 4 players all brought in some pretty significant free agent deals, with a couple of them having some mega-impact free agent deals at their positions such as Kruger and Ellerbee.

Basically, it comes down to the new contract of the player in free agency (again--backed up by ctpatsfan77, whom I trust with these kinds of financial situations). He said that "about 95% of the formula is determined by new pacts."

If Mallett somehow is signed to a decent contract by the new free agent team, it would factor into the equation in a very positive way for us. The fact is that Mallett will likely not do that, however--or at least in my opinion. Due to that reasoning, we can cross him off the list from bringing in a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick for us, as we'd actually be lucky if he even brought in a 5th. I think your point is important to remember though, as it's a team process. For the purpose of the exercise though, we're looking at it from an individual's part of the team formula.

ctpatsfan77 said:

As someone on Twitter noted, though:

Isn't it, well, highly unusual that the Patriots announced this, and are OK with Garoppolo talking about it, this far ahead of time?

Obviously, Belichick has his reasons. The question is, what those reasons are.

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Thats because the Pats want to create the illusion that there is a trade partner with 53 man cut down just days away. If there actually was a deal it would all be hush - hush because that's the way NE does business

DarrylS said:

I am not sure of that... if Mallett was "trade bait' wouldn't you want to showcase him??

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Have you watched Mallet play?

supafly said:

The fact that Mallett was a 3rd round pick has nothing at all to do with the formula. It is mainly based on contractual value; with the other variables being post-season awards, and playing time factored into the formula (which ctpatsfan77 claim to be used as "tiebreakers.")

If Mallett goes on to get the kind of "borderline" starter/backup contract that most of us are expecting at around 2.5m per year, he'll bring nothing more than a low round pick for his part of the formula. I would think a 6th round pick, maybe a 5th at best--but again, it's a team-wide formula based on who we lose and who we sign in free agency.

Anyone expecting a mid round (3rd/4th) comp pick for our backup QB is huffing glue, unless he somehow ends up signed to the kind of pact that someone like Kevin Kolb ended up getting, and in my opinion that is very unlikely.

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While the formula for awarding compensatory picks will probably not become public information (or ever be understood) draft status does play a small role in it.

But you are correct in that the size of the FA contract is a major driving force of the formula for determining compensation. Additionally if we let Mallett walk, that means Garo is trusted as a backup and thus I doubt we would try to offset at that position again, which would negate compensation.

I believe that Mallett is the kind of QB who will be given a legitimate shot at starting elsewhere because of his high ceiling (having a cannon arm will get you a legit tryout every time). That is why I doubt that we would only get a 7th if he walks- but neither do I think we would get a 3rd or 4th. I would be happy if the NFL management council awards us a 5th.

I can understand why many people think we'll net only a 7th because of a general mistrust of the NFL management (e.g., Goodell) and how they view the Patriots, but you'd be surprised to learn that we actually are 8th overall in the number of compensatory picks we've been awarded since the inception of the system in '94.

Regarding compensatory draft picks, these links should help.

First, nobody studies or understands the picks and the formula better than this guy:

AdamJT13: Projecting the 2010 Compensatory NFL Draft Picks




NFL announces 32 compensatory draft choices to 32 clubs | NFL Communications




NFL announces 32 compensatory draft choices to 32 clubs | NFL communications