Had they both been available, would you have picked Manziel or Garoppolo?

condon84 · Aug 22, 2014

Let's see...

One played against SEC defenses and excelled.

The other played against subdivision defenses.

This is a tough one Johnny.

fnordcircle · Aug 22, 2014

Seeing what I've seen so far Jimmy G all the way, because of what I've seen on the field.

Before? I would have been tickled to have Manziel here just for the antics.

Brady6 · Aug 22, 2014

Zeus said:
The contention that BB is otherwise a lousy coach is the kind of in depth analysis that is perpetrated by intellectually lazy commenters on Florio's website and it just does not stand up to any meaningful scrutiny.

I would not write about that if I were you because you are entire article would be based on your own misconception, you could write about how posters interpret the praise of one person for the criticism of the other person. I was speaking to how valuable Tom Brady is; I never said Belichick is a lousy coach or anything even remotely close to that. Brady is arguably the best QB to play the game if you do not think that has been significant to the success of the New England Patriots over the past 13 years you are not watching the games.

How many games do you think the team would have won in 2013 if Brady were not the QB?

Brady6 · Aug 22, 2014

AzPatsFan said:
I don't want to see losing seasons, I've had more than my fill. Nor is it necessary. BB has already done the heavy lifting. The only ballplayers left from the Super Bowl dynasty are Tom Brady and Vince Wilfork. I'd say replacing 51 out of 53 players constitutes a Rebuild. What is your definition?

I hope to never find out, but I would wager a penny or two that the Pats would win 10+ games with Mallett and be about .500 with raw Polo. The rest of the team is now that good, just like 2008 with Cassell.

This team is young and ready to win.

Do you know how many teams are out there with loads of talent but questionable QBs? Look at the Browns, Texans, Bucs, Rams, and Bills, these teams have many young all pro talent but the lack of a upper echelon QB makes them pedestrian at best.

ctpatsfan77 · Aug 22, 2014

Christiancat said:
Both players seem to exhibit contrasting levels of class and character. Manziel continues to do things that exhibit bad behavior and lacks class. Which is not the kinda of role model you want for your team or society. However, he may mature with time or he may not. So we will just have to see how Manziel develops as a person and as a player. One could only hope that he matures as a player and as person for the better. On the other hand, Garoppollo carries himself in a very classy way and seems to exhibit high character which is great for the patriots organization and society.

There are many conclusions that we could jump to in regards to both Garoppollo or Manziel's NFL prospects. However, I don't think It would be wise to make any conclusions on Garoppollo or Manziel's NFL prospects based on what little we have seen of them on the field. Overall, Manziel seems to be questionable on and off the field while Garoppollo only seems to be questionable on the the field.

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Christiancat · Aug 22, 2014

ctpatsfan77 said:

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Peachhead · Aug 22, 2014

RayClay said:
Imagine a spot where we were picking and both were available.

Garappolo. I didn't like Manziel. I'm sure their are plenty of my posts from before the draft about that. I didn't like his size, or playing style, or especially intangibles. I liked Garappolo leading up to the draft. But he wasn't a major binky or anything like that.

I'm just glad we didn't go for Tom Savage. Which was a name I remember being mentioned on a few Pats sites leading up to draft time. I hear Savage is stinking it up in camp for the Texans.

Zeus · Aug 22, 2014

Brady6 said:
I would not write about that if I were you because you are entire article would be based on your own misconception, you could write about how posters interpret the praise of one person for the criticism of the other person. I was speaking to how valuable Tom Brady is; I never said Belichick is a lousy coach or anything even remotely close to that. Brady is arguably the best QB to play the game if you do not think that has been significant to the success of the New England Patriots over the past 13 years you are not watching the games.

How many games do you think the team would have won in 2013 if Brady were not the QB?

I'm as big a Tom Brady fan as anyone. Sorry, I missed the part where I said anything that could remotely be interpreted otherwise. I think I was more than clear that Belichick and Brady mutually benefit from each other's strengths.

Your criticism of Belichick is implied, not direct. I think some of his best work came in seasons with a losing record because his teams were improving at a significant rate. That's all I said.

For the record, I'll write about whatever I choose. I'm not altogether clear on what you think my "misconception" is, but I'm also not about to get into a pointless semantic discussion about it either.

Brady6 · Aug 22, 2014

Zeus said:
I'm as big a Tom Brady fan as anyone. Sorry, I missed the part where I said anything that could remotely be interpreted otherwise. I think I was more than clear that Belichick and Brady mutually benefit from each other's strengths.

Your criticism of Belichick is implied, not direct. I think some of his best work came in seasons with a losing record because his teams were improving at a significant rate. That's all I said.

For the record, I'll write about whatever I choose. I'm not altogether clear on what you think my "misconception" is, but I'm also not about to get into a pointless semantic discussion about it either.

Zeus I meant no disrespect before I just thought you jumped to an assumption. I am not criticizing Belichick, I am pointing out how hard it is to win a Super Bowl and the fact that if we have not been able to do it in a decade with the best QB in the game it is even less likely to be achieved with a Mallett or a Garopollo. The misconception is that when I say we have no won in 10 years with Brady you assume I view that as Belichick’s fault, which is not the case.

As far as you writing, you can do whatever you want, frankly I did not know you wrote I do not know your real name.

Brady6 · Aug 22, 2014

RayClay said:
but, if all it takes is a great QB, wouldn't he win super bowls regardless of the players around him?

It takes a lot more than just a great QB but that is the biggest difference maker for the most part.

Zeus · Aug 22, 2014

Brady6 said:
As far as you writing, you can do whatever you want, frankly I did not know you wrote I do not know your real name.

Just what I post here.

(By the way, no offense taken whatsoever.)

ctpatsfan77 · Aug 22, 2014

Christiancat said:
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That would be Mr. Manziel.

Christiancat · Aug 22, 2014

ctpatsfan77 said:
That would be Mr. Manziel.

Yes, I know and understand that. However, you posted that pic in direct response to my post. So I was basically asking what are you trying to tell me by posting that pic in response to my post.

chasa · Aug 22, 2014

Manziel had professional bust written all over him leading up to the draft far too much attitude. he could have been the only QB in the draft and we could have not had a qb on the roster, and i still would not have taken him.

rochrist · Aug 22, 2014

Brady6 said:
Do you know how many teams are out there with loads of talent but questionable QBs? Look at the Browns, Texans, Bucs, Rams, and Bills, these teams have many young all pro talent but the lack of a upper echelon QB makes them pedestrian at best.

Do you know how many SBs have been won by teams with questionable QBs?

patchick · Aug 22, 2014

IMO the "intangibles" bar is far, far higher for QBs than for every other position. Your quarterback sets the tone for the team, in terms of his work ethic, approach to the game, and leadership. The other players have to believe in him.

What impressed me most about Gropp in the first preseason game is that he seemed to change the whole attitude of the team on the field. He made the players around him better. That doesn't happen when your QB acts immature and arrogant, as Manziel so often does.

Ivan · Aug 22, 2014

patchick said:
IMO the "intangibles" bar is far, far higher for QBs than for every other position. Your quarterback sets the tone for the team, in terms of his work ethic, approach to the game, and leadership. The other players have to believe in him.

What impressed me most about Gropp in the first preseason game is that he seemed to change the whole attitude of the team on the field. He made the players around him better. That doesn't happen when your QB acts immature and arrogant, as Manziel so often does.

Excellent post, great nickname, i think that issue can be put to rest, Gropp it is.

Ivan · Aug 22, 2014

Christiancat said:
Yes, I know and understand that. However, you posted that pic in direct response to my post. So I was basically asking what are you trying to tell me by posting that pic in response to my post.

I think he was just demonstrating that Johnny Clipboard is the first guy in the building* and the last to leave.

* By "building" I mean Hef's place.

chasa · Aug 22, 2014

I prefer Polo

patsfan4life · Aug 22, 2014

As long as BB around...Manziel was NEVER GOING to be part of the equation. I would've screamed from the mountain tops if PATS took Johnny Football. Would take garoppolo 100 out of 100 times.

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