Giselle brings home the bacon for the Brady bunch

crew1954 · Aug 20, 2014

RayClay said:
Of course you do, and you would ask for more money to move and live in (fill in a place you hate) than to work in a town you love.

Have you told your boss thanks, but i really don't need that raise? I bet not. That's my point.

You mean my wife? I am self employed other than reporting to the MRS.

But I think of Brady as sort of self emloyed as well.

My brother in law has a construction company. he just turned down a lucrative job building a nondescript 3 story office building in Hyannis to make less money redesigning a house on Great Island. Seeing his handiwork from his boat afterwards makes up for the loss of income.

Ring 6 · Aug 20, 2014

BradyManny said:
Actually, his post was 0% on target and had nothing to do with this thread.

Again, people need to stop perceiving this as an attack on the rich or something. I am apolitical and really could care less about getting into these silly debates. I don't care about these things. I care about the New England Patriots. Tom Brady is on a team with a finite amount of money they are allocated to spend on its players every year. The amount of money they are allowed to spend on players other than him directly correlates to how good a team they can field. How good a team they can field directly correlates to how well they play, which directly affects Tom Brady's happiness and well-being, (and compensation in endorsements if you want to get cynical and money driven). Tom Brady could either make a decision a calculator could make and go with the higher amount, or he could think for two seconds and make a well-rounded decision considering all the factors. He's always done that, and I hope that continues. All I was trying to say.

How is my post not on target when people are saying things such as

Another $5 million to them is almost meaningless, especially when taxes is included.

Which is exactly what you said, and my point was its not up to you to determine what is meaningless to Tom Brady.
If Tom Brady wants to sacrifice money to allow the team to give it to someone else, that is up to him, but you portray it as something he should do because in your view, he already has enough money.
If Tom Brady wants every penny he can get and deserves that does not diminish my opinion of him. You do not have to be 'better than everyone else' to be acceptable.

BradyManny · Aug 20, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
If Tom Brady wants to sacrifice money to allow the team to give it to someone else, that is up to him, but you portray it as something he should do because in your view, he already has enough money.

I portray it that as a person with common sense and with all the facts on the table, Tom Brady is likely to make the logical choice and decide that he can actually prioritize several factors above money when deciding whether he wants to renegotiate his contract. The fact that his wife is the most successful model in the world, yes, I'm guessing that is somewhat of a factor in his mind, just like you or I would consider our family's financial health as a whole when making any decision in our own careers.

To your larger point, sure, in a game of technicalities and semantics, you win. I do not have the right to tell Tom Brady what he can do with his money. I agree with you.

RayClay · Aug 20, 2014

Mark12 said:
The Pats did NOT give him a 32 million contract that starts when he is 40. The fact that you keep arguing as if they did is baffling.

the fact that you can't read is baffling. I said Brady got double the guaranteed money for freeing up some immediate salary cap.

His current contract runs until he's 40. That contract now has 32 million guaranteed, almost double the guaranteed money he had previously.

I never said he gave us a bad deal, just the opposite. that's what a deal is, when both sides get what they want.

PatsFanSince74 · Aug 20, 2014

BradyManny said:
Actually, his post was 0% on target and had nothing to do with this thread.

Again, people need to stop perceiving this as an attack on the rich or something. I am apolitical and really could care less about getting into these silly debates. I don't care about these things. I care about the New England Patriots. Tom Brady is on a team with a finite amount of money they are allocated to spend on its players every year. The amount of money they are allowed to spend on players other than him directly correlates to how good a team they can field. How good a team they can field directly correlates to how well they play, which directly affects Tom Brady's happiness and well-being, (and compensation in endorsements if you want to get cynical and money driven). Tom Brady could either make a decision a calculator could make and go with the higher amount, or he could think for two seconds and make a well-rounded decision considering all the factors. He's always done that, and I hope that continues. All I was trying to say.

Well stated, even if I disagree.

My point, where we might disagree, is that only Tom Brady and his family can determine what constitutes a "well-rounded" decision in his case.

The role that a "calculator" or "two seconds" of thought might or not be perceived as playing in his decision is relative to the perception of each of us as individuals but, in the final analysis, can only be, in my opinion, a function of how Tom Brady and Tom Brady alone thinks about the opportunities he has to monetize his talents and of how he thinks about the future of his family.

For those of us who are not fortunate enough to be part of the top one tenth of one percent of global wage earners (and that is the rarefied air that Brady and Bundchen breathe), it might be hard to understand how that thought process might evolve when it comes to a multi-generational view of the wealth he might or might not want to build and transfer to his children, grand-children and beyond.

Again, thanks for a well-stated argument.

BradyManny · Aug 20, 2014

PatsFanSince74 said:
For those of us who are not fortunate enough to be part of the top one tenth of one percent of global wage earners (and that is the rarefied air that Brady and Bundchen breathe), it might be hard to understand how that thought process might evolve when it comes to a multi-generational view of the wealth he might or might not want to build and transfer to his children, grand-children and beyond.

Fair enough. I don't think either you or Andy's point is without merit, and in general, I think a person's income is nobody's business. But we're talking about a completely different set of circumstances here. I don't want to come off too strong - I just didn't want my opinion being used as a counterpoint to an argument I'm not interested in having.

PatsFanSince74 · Aug 20, 2014

BradyManny said:
Fair enough. I don't think either you or Andy's point is without merit, and in general, I think a person's income is nobody's business. But we're talking about a completely different set of circumstances here. I don't want to come off too strong - I just didn't want my opinion being used as a counterpoint to an argument I'm not interested in having.

Got it. We all bring our own pre-conceptions to everything we read.
Go Pats!!!

Ring 6 · Aug 20, 2014

BradyManny said:
I portray it that as a person with common sense and with all the facts on the table, Tom Brady is likely to make the logical choice and decide that he can actually prioritize several factors above money when deciding whether he wants to renegotiate his contract. The fact that his wife is the most successful model in the world, yes, I'm guessing that is somewhat of a factor in his mind, just like you or I would consider our family's financial health as a whole when making any decision in our own careers.

To your larger point, sure, in a game of technicalities and semantics, you win. I do not have the right to tell Tom Brady what he can do with his money. I agree with you.

I think the part you are missing is that you are suggesting he should forego money as if it is the obvious thing to do, that anyone in his position would. No one else does that.
In other words you are not just expecting him to go above and beyond what anyone else does, but stating in a way that implies he is almost obligated to do so or else he doesn't really want to win. Or at least not as much as you think he should.

BradyManny · Aug 20, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
In other words you are not just expecting him to go above and beyond what anyone else does, but stating in a way that implies he is almost obligated to do so or else he doesn't really want to win.

If that has been my message, then I have clearly misstated something along the way. I would not hold it against Brady were he to want to renegotiate and ask his compensation to be commensurate with his play. His camp very well may have viewed last year's maneuvers as one of temporary cap relief for the team. I just hope that, for the sake of the team, he continues to play on team friendly deals and continues to put the team first.

shmessy · Aug 20, 2014

shalise manza young ✔ @shalisemyoung
.@tomecurran's phone started ringing during Brady presser. Brady puts hand to ear, says "honey, I'm in a press conference". laughter ensues

11:58
Brady 8/20: Good game to gauge where you're at | Patriots.com - media center

crew1954 · Aug 20, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
Money is relative to who's it is.
Invariably people with less money try to peg people with more money as greedy unless they denounce wanting a nickel more.
While they certainly have enough money to live whatever lifestyle they wish, but when you are in that position, isn't your financial concern now how much you leave to the future generations of your family.
My Great grandmother had 8 children, my grandmother had 4, and my mother had 4.
Had my Great Grandmother been wealthy, I would end up with 1/128th of that wealth, watered down by 3 generations of spending it.
While that is not the same as wondering where your next meal will come from, I find it hard to criticize someone for wanting to earn what they can because ultimately there is a value to it.

Well then on he other hand there is the Bill Gates approach. Each of his kids gets $1,000,000 ( I believe) and the $60-100 Billion goes to charity.

So if the kid can't turn that into $100 M you as a descendant are not going to see much.

Ring 6 · Aug 20, 2014

crew1954 said:
Well then on he other hand there is the Bill Gates approach. Each of his kids gets $1,000,000 ( I believe) and the $60-100 Billion goes to charity.

So if the kid can't turn that into $100 M you as a descendant are not going to see much.

I get the thinking but disagree with it.

PatsFanSince74 · Aug 21, 2014

crew1954 said:
Well then on he other hand there is the Bill Gates approach. Each of his kids gets $1,000,000 ( I believe) and the $60-100 Billion goes to charity.

So if the kid can't turn that into $100 M you as a descendant are not going to see much.

That's not inconsistent with what I've been saying.

My only point has been that it is up to the person whose talents create the wealth to make decisions, consistent with applicable law, about how that wealth is earned (in Brady's case, how much he should try to get from the Patriots) and about its disposition. In Gates' case, you are reporting that he has decided to give his kids what most would consider a lot of money, but what would be a rounding error in the context of his entire fortune. Only he can make that decision, just as only Brady can decide how to make decisions regarding the monetization of his talents...none of us can say what either "should" or "shouldn't" do in these regards.

Ring 6 · Aug 21, 2014

crew1954 said:
Well then on he other hand there is the Bill Gates approach. Each of his kids gets $1,000,000 ( I believe) and the $60-100 Billion goes to charity.

So if the kid can't turn that into $100 M you as a descendant are not going to see much.

Is anyone saying Microsoft should sell computers for less because Bill Gates already has too much money?

Zeus · Aug 21, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
Is anyone saying Microsoft should sell computers for less because Bill Gates already has too much money?

Gates owns 4% of Microsoft so that's not really up to him.

BradyManny · Aug 21, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
Is anyone saying Microsoft should sell computers for less because Bill Gates already has too much money?

How can you possibly think this is a relevant comparison? Microsoft is a corporation that exists for profit, and supports 100,000 employees. Tom Brady is one athlete who wants to win football games for a team that has a finite amount to spend on its players.

Ring 6 · Aug 21, 2014

BradyManny said:
How can you possibly think this is a relevant comparison? Microsoft is a corporation that exists for profit, and supports 100,000 employees. Tom Brady is one athlete who wants to win football games for a team that has a finite amount to spend on its players.

Nice job ignoring context.
The discussion wasn't about a corporation vs a football player, it was an example of someone who has 'enough' money. The comparison is extremely valid in the context, considering you identified Brady as someone who '$5 million would be meaningless to".
Lets change my post from 'should Microsoft reduce their prices' to 'Should Bill Gates not accept interest and dividends on his money'.

Zeus · Aug 21, 2014

Brady is well within his rights to try to extract every last penny from the Patriots or any other team. The interesting and perhaps ironic thing is he can buy pretty much anything thing he wants, with the exception of the one thing he most desires - a championship.

I suppose it's possible that he might decide to play for less if this meant his team could acquire additional talent. I'm not saying he should, but his economic circumstances give him the latitude to do whatever he likes. His wife's considerable earning power means that Brady in fact has far more latitude than other highly successful professional athletes. Anyway, it's his call.

(By the way, Bill Gates has already given away something like $28 billion so I think he's demonstrated that he's not all that concerned with maximizing his earnings/wealth at this point in his life. That's his call.)

BradyManny · Aug 21, 2014

AndyJohnson said:
Lets change my post from 'should Microsoft reduce their prices' to 'Should Bill Gates not accept interest and dividends on his money'.

It's still not applicable. I'm not saying Tom Brady should give up money for squeaks and giggles. I certainly wouldn't suggest Giselle turn down sponsorships because of their wealth.

I've said from the first post he COULD sacrifice money to make the team he plays for better situated to sign other players, as he has done his whole career. You've continually tried to make this a conversation about something it's not. There's no comp to Bill Gates, or Microsoft, or your grandmother, or me or you. You can compare Tom Brady to other athletes in salary cap'd leagues, but that's about it as far as this conversation goes.

We're talking about something that is very specific to the NFL. Whatever you want to bring to the thread from outside that realm really has no bearing.

1960Pats · Aug 21, 2014

Joker said:
If Giselle wants to bring home some more bacon I got some right here inside my pants pocket...

I thought it was a breakfast sausage.

Giselle brings home the bacon for the Brady bunch

Third String But Playing on Special Teams

PatsFans.com Supporter

Pro Bowl Player

Hall of Fame Poster

PatsFans.com Supporter

Pro Bowl Player

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Pro Bowl Player

Phoenix, AZ/Retired

Third String But Playing on Special Teams

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Pro Bowl Player

PatsFans.com Supporter

PatsFans.com Supporter

Pro Bowl Player

PatsFans.com Supporter

Similar threads