Had they both been available, would you have picked Manziel or Garoppolo?

Which of these guys can follow Brady? It isn't even a competition.



Clearly JG. We have to continue our tradition of good looking quarterbacks.

I wouldn't touch Manziel with a ten foot pole. Even if I was wearing rubber gloves !

I'd be embarrassed and ashamed to be a Patriots fan with that idiot on our team

Can we add Bridgewater as a third option, since he went after Manziel? If so, I'd take him.

That said, I seem to be one of the few people here who doesn't automatically hate Manziel. Based on what I saw at A&M, I could see him being a complete bust or a really good QB: basically the standard for any first round QB not named Andrew Luck. He has to grow up a bit, but plenty of guys have, so I don't see the point in hating or liking him. I'll wait and see how he adjusts to the NFL before I form some extreme opinion on the guy. Dunno why so many people fly off the handle about him, at least with Mark Sanchez it made sense because he was a Jet.

As far as all the moralizing about how he doesn't have the character to be a Patriot, this team employed Aaron Hernandez and Albert Haynesworth. And as much as we all hated those guys before and after their time here, I don't recall many of you taking issue in between. Worst case scenario, Manziel's still nothing compared to those guys.

Gronkandez said:

People are all focuses on the bad with JFF. He was amazing against a great Alabama defense two years in a row. I would draft JFF in this scenario then trade him. He would never want to be a backup for several years behind a great and durable QB.

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Exactly, prior to the draft, I would have picked Johnny Manziel 10 out of 10 times over Garoppolo. Those SEC defenses are better than some NFL defenses. And Manziel flourished, won the the Heisman (and deserved it) as a Freshman for Christ's sake. Garoppolo NEVER faced a defense anywhere close to an SEC defense, especially an Alabama defense, that Manziel torched twice.

Also, Manziel actually looked quite good his first NFL Preseason game, let's not be quick to judge after a 2nd preseason game. I think he will be Cleveland's starter if the team starts to struggle, which seems to happen every year. I like Hoyer because he's an ex-Pat, but he's nothing special.

Sicilian said:

If I had to pick one, I would have picked Gropp even before knowing what we've seen now. Not because I thought he would be any great shakes, but I just felt like Manziel had Ryan Leaf written all over him, so I would have gone with option B by default.

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I think it is because of the complete lack of maturity but ryan leaf has been the guy that Manziel reminds me the most of, it certainly isn't build or skill set. I think Johnny Football is going to be Johnny Bust. Didn't want him before the draft and certainly don't want him now.

Ivan said:

I think it is because of the complete lack of maturity but ryan leaf has been the guy that Manziel reminds me the most of, it certainly isn't build or skill set. I think Johnny Football is going to be Johnny Bust. Didn't want him before the draft and certainly don't want him now.

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Just to get a picture of the full span of possible outcomes, he's also pretty reminiscent of young Brett Favre. Sometimes immature players grow up. And sometimes they don't, and remain dipshits for their entire adult lives, but at least grow up enough to be really good players.

Gronkandez said:

People are all focuses on the bad with JFF. He was amazing against a great Alabama defense two years in a row. I would draft JFF in this scenario then trade him. He would never want to be a backup for several years behind a great and durable QB.

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Huh?

How would you ever get more than you paid when they had already passed on him?

BradyFTW! said:

Just to get a picture of the full span of possible outcomes, he's also pretty reminiscent of young Brett Favre.

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You mean a midget version of Favre.

Ivan said:

You mean a midget version of Favre.

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Moving the goalposts a bit there: if size is part of the equation, then comparing him to 6'5" Ryan Leaf probably wasn't the best idea. He's a far worse size comp than Favre. Frankly, if we're going by size/style, Manziel's obvious best comp is Russell Wilson, although that doesn't work for other reasons.

Zach Mettenberger, AJ McCarron or Aaron Murray.

I liked any of those three in the 3-4 round.

Didnt know much about Polo and I'm not a fan of small school QBs but I love what he has shown so far and glad he's a patriot

BradyFTW! said:

Moving the goalposts a bit there: if size is part of the equation, then comparing him to 6'5" Ryan Leaf probably wasn't the best idea. He's a far worse size comp than Favre. Frankly, if we're going by size/style, Manziel's obvious best comp is Russell Wilson, although that doesn't work for other reasons.

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I made it clear that size and skillset weren't what i was comparing him to, i was referring to his complete lack of maturity and said so.

Ivan said:

I made it clear that size and skillset weren't what i was comparing him to, i was referring to his complete lack of maturity and said so.

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As was I, which is why I don't really get the point of your last response. Making a comp that dismisses size and focuses on maturity, then dismissing my comp on the same grounds because the size doesn't match... not a lot of sense made there.

Garappolo is the consumate Patriot (smarts and attitude).

Manziel is the Anti-Patriot (selfishness and look-at-me behavior).

Also Brady's good looks seems to drive the haters batshoot crazy. If Garappolo turns into even a Brady-lite having him on our team is worth it just for all the haters bursting bloodvessels trying to repress their latent homosexuality.

Garappolo have some potential but I don't think this board was happy when he was selected based on who was still on the board. I am sure if BB had been in position to get Johnny Football the selection whould have been the best thing since slice bread. After the Tavon Wilson and Duron Harmon selections I stopped watching BB's Drafts. I just hope for the best with the selections.

Here is what I wrote about Manziel back in November 2013:

Yada yada Manziel doesn't fit the system yada yada yada character issues yada yada yada too short yada yada . . .

Still, want.

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I'm not going to lie. If it had been the ctpatsfan77 from November to April that draft day, I would have taken Manziel, no hesitation.

If you send today's ctpatsfan77 back in time to the 2014 Draft, Garoppolo, again, no hesitation.

JFF.....with no hesitation.
Bring a little WWF to the sidelines during the 25 penalties, endless video reviews, and TV timeouts after every kickoff, punt, and EP. JFF flippin off the red seaters at Gillette....priceless. Oh.....and he scrambles enough to steal a win coming off the bench

As a trash-talking, bird-flipping, world-class carouser, Manziel would have been a great fit for the jets. A better fit for him personally too, because there are so many more bars in nyc and they are open so much later. And I don't know this for a fact, but I would imagine he would have more ready access to a greater variety of recreational chemicals.

BradyFTW! said:

As was I, which is why I don't really get the point of your last response. Making a comp that dismisses size and focuses on maturity, then dismissing my comp on the same grounds because the size doesn't match... not a lot of sense made there.

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Favre at least had the size to weather the beating that comes with that style of play, manziel lacks both the size to take that beating and the maturity to play the position in the NFL. he may mature, i doubt it though, he will never be big enough to take the beating that running around in the NFL carries with it.

Danger Zone said:

Manziel is the Anti-Patriot (selfishness and look-at-me behavior).

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Bryan Cox, Ty Law, Corey Dillon, Chad Johnson, Aaron Hernandez, Albert Haynesworth, Aqib Talib, Alfonzo Dennard, Randy Moss, Michael Buchanan

The idea that the Patriots of the Belichick era go for squeaky-clean types is wholly fallacious. Hell, the current Manziel controversy is something Bryan Cox famously did right before he joined the Patriots.