B6 Camp Notes - Can I have gravy on my crow? Can someone get Boyce a 5 hour energy?

Brady6 said:

The surgery that they perform on the groin detaches the muscle from the bone. The injury Amendola suffered essentially did what the surgery would have done.

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Brady6 said:

It is no secret that I have never had a nice thing to say about Danny Amendola (as a player) but he appears primed to have me choking down some crow. I was at camp yesterday and Amendola put an Allen Iverson ankle breaking move on an Eagles defender, it was outstanding. This article is a great read:

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He's gonna get hurt, save the crow kid. It's Pre-Season. Once the Robin's are done with the crahlahs, it's all ovah.

And what's with the back-handed Iverson practice *****-slap? Practice? Practice?

Brady6 said:

The surgery that they perform on the groin detaches the muscle from the bone. The injury Amendola suffered essentially did what the surgery would have done.

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That is precisely why my non-doctor self is puzzled though. Aren't muscles supposed to be attached to the bone? If Amendola's muscle is detached from the bone, aren't you supposed to re-attach it?

I am party said:

That is precisely why my non-doctor self is puzzled though. Aren't muscles supposed to be attached to the bone? If Amendola's muscle is detached from the bone, aren't you supposed to re-attach it?

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I don't know enough about it to be honest. I think it remains detached though.

I am party said:

Medical question: From what I can gather by googling, Amendola did tear the adductor longus muscle off his pubic bone, but he never had surgery to re-attach it. The doctors said it would heal with rest. How is it possible for a detached muscle to heal with just rest? Don't they have to re-attach it, by going in and suturing or whatever?

I remember something similar happened when Favre had a strained biceps, and to fix it, instead of re-attaching it, they completely severed the tendon, which allowed him to continue playing. That one had me baffled as well.

Aren't tendons supposed to be attached? Any doctors in the house?

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The biceps tendon is attached in two places (the structure is reflected in the etymology of bi-ceps). The long head of the biceps tendon runs through the shoulder joint within the rotator cuff and can be inflamed or damaged in overhead athletes (like QBs, pitchers, and swimmers). Depending on the development of the athletes shoulder, a biceps tendon repair (tenodesis) is done to surgically attach the long head of the biceps tendon to the bone of the shoulder (outside the joint near the attachment for the short head of the biceps tendon). However, this surgery requires 4 months of immobility and in many cases is not necessary, and the short head of the biceps tendon is sufficient for the function of the shoulder. Thus, the torn tendon can be left loose if it is not in the way or, more commonly, get sutured under zero tension to the soft tissue (muscle) of the shoulder, which does not require immobilization. I had this done and was out of the sling the same day.

I don't know **** about hip adductors. Wish I did, because I've had groin pulls that affect me for years.

Treatment of an Adductor Longus Tendon Injury
An adductor longus injury occurs when there is a simultaneous contraction of the oblique muscles and the adductor muscles. The adductor muscles are much stronger than the oblique muscles, so in this tug-of-war the oblique muscles usually tear first. Occasionally the adductor longus tendon is injured. The adductor longus has a poor blood supply. The tendon also has a very narrow attachment to the pubic bone. Because of these factors, even a minor injury to the adductor longus tendon often will not heal, resulting in chronic pain. On physical examination there is pain at the origin of the adductor longus tendon that is aggravated by active adduction of the hip against resistance. Sometimes the pain resolves with a steroid injection. If injections fail, then surgery is very effective. The tendon is released off of the bone and then reattached. There is no loss of strength. Range of motion is often improved. The reconstruction can be done at the same time as repair of the oblique muscles.

Substantial research on this matter has been performed and can be viewed here.

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Surgical Options - Sports Hernia Specialist

just my luck...I got an adductor shortus injury and nobody gives a shyt.

TriplecHamp said:

I don't think he's going to come here and burn the world down but I can certainly envision him having about 4-5 games where he really excels and others where he's just another guy and quite frankly with the talent we have at the skill positions, thats all we really need from him.

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I can think of a lot of games last year when the Pats would have given a kings ransom to have just another guy....

Bruins29 said:

What if he plays 70% of the games (11) and then puts up 800 yards and 7 TDs with 70 catches? Or what about 70% of the games and healthy playoffs. Or 60% of the games and plays ok and catches the SB TD?

It's 80% or bust?

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No, just a number i decided to throw out there. It is more fluid than X or burst.

If he has a great post season he is not a bust.

If he plays the vast majority of the regular season and does well (particularly in the Denver regular season game) I would say he is not a bust either.

A few other ways he would not be considered a bust by me but that is the jist.

Efstratios said:

Nice write up, B6.

The passing game is going to be very good, provided that Gronk, Dobson, and the Pygmies stay healthy..

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There is a snowball's chance in Hell that Gronk stays healthy. Ever goon in every defensive backfield will be gunning for his knees.

FredFromDartmouth said:

There is a snowball's chance in Hell that Gronk stays healthy. Ever goon in every defensive backfield will be gunning for his knees.

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And to think that they made defensive touching a point-of-emphasis this year.

B6 didn't argue DA was a bust because he was injured. He argued specifically he was a bust because he wasn't very good. That is why he will probably eat crow. DA is a very good wr, who has gotten injured a lot. One could certainly argue he isn't worth what he is being paid because he was hurt a lot last year, and wasn't effective, but he certainly showed briefly last year, and so far this training camp, that when healthy, he is a geat fit for the Pats.

moosekill said:

B6 didn't argue DA was a bust because he was injured. He argued specifically he was a bust because he wasn't very good. That is why he will probably eat crow. DA is a very good wr, who has gotten injured a lot. One could certainly argue he isn't worth what he is being paid because he was hurt a lot last year, and wasn't effective, but he certainly showed briefly last year, and so far this training camp, that when healthy, he is a geat fit for the Pats.

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Exactly. People wouldn't have jumped all over him if he argued simply that he wasn't a viable replacement for Welker and wasn't worth the money because of the injury history. Well, the homers would have, but at least he wouldn't have gotten it from all sides. I'm just hoping Amendola remains healthy. He could be potent in this offense if he remains injury-free. But I'm not holding my breath.

If Amendola stays healthy, him/Edelman will create a nice "moving the chains" threat.

and if Lafell keeps improving from where he supposedly is this week(getting really in synch with brady) he will provide a nice red-zone threat with Dobson/gronk

Will most likely see a 3 WR set with Amendola/Edlemen/LaFell. Not too shabby. Then they can mix it up with KT and Dobson as subs.

Realistically Amendola is never going to have a 100+ catches and 1000+ yards because he could be anything from the #3 option to the #5 option in the offense, he is sure to be behind Gronkowski and Edelman, and then we will see how Dobson and LaFell fit into the mix. GIven that his success is going to have to be measured differently, it will be more about him making impact plays with the 75-90 targets he will probably see in 2014. If he can catch a high rate of his targets, average 11-12 yards a catch, and convert key first downs I will consider the season a success, I would like to see some level of consistency but they be hard for him since he is not a top 2 option and could fit into the mix differently depending on game plans.

Amendola and Edelman are terrific to have on the team but at the end of the day what is going to make the difference is Gronkowski, Dobson, and LaFell, we need those players to step up and make big plays, because most of Edelman and Amendola’s catches are going to be efficient but unspectacular. Last season when Gronkowski and Dobson were out we lacked the big play threat, and it was problematic.

Nunchucks said:

Will most likely see a 3 WR set with Amendola/Edlemen/LaFell. Not too shabby. Then they can mix it up with KT and Dobson as subs.

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I think Dobson is going to see the field a lot as a true X-WR.

Brady6 said:

I think Dobson is going to see the field a lot as a true X-WR.

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We have to see what Dobson brings to the table in the next few weeks. I won't pencil him in for anything until he proves he is capable.

Brady6 said:

@Off The Grid My man I'm just curious what you disagree with?

I'm an amateur football fan so I maybe missing something in my observations.

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I'm an Amateur, too, Bro, don't doubt it!!

I hit the DisAgree Button because I don't agree with your assessment of Josh Boyce's Motor.

...And because the 5 Hour Energy folks offend and disgust me.

However, while I am an Unabashed Basher of Smurfs, I admire the Character you showed in being willing to reverse your position on Amendola...which I say Trumps my disagreement with you on Boyce.

Objection Withdrawn.

Brady6 said:

Realistically Amendola is never going to have a 100+ catches and 1000+ yards because he could be anything from the #3 option to the #5 option in the offense, he is sure to be behind Gronkowski and Edelman,

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Really? You seem awfully sure about this. Ironic however that you bust on DA all over the place when you can particularly about his injuries and you now are claiming that two guys who have also had several injury problems are surely going to be ahead of him.

Just stop already. You need help.