Boston Globe Magazine: Why You Should Stop Watching Football

Galeb · Aug 11, 2014

shmessy said:
Ummm..........can any of these guys rush the quarterback? I heard Heidegger had an impressive vertical leap at the combine.

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Not anymore.

shmessy · Aug 11, 2014

Galeb said:
Not anymore.

Kinda like Bequette, then, huh?

Galeb · Aug 11, 2014

Clonamery said:
I don't know about any of that but I once heard Emmanuel Kant couldn't. But take that for what it's worth.

Kant could, but only indirectly.

Galeb · Aug 11, 2014

shmessy said:
Kinda like Bequette, then, huh?

No, some of them used to be able to.

Danger Zone · Aug 11, 2014

Boxing, wrestling, martial arts, mixed martial arts, hockey, rugby, lacrosse, soccer (fans rioting etc), basketball, bull-riding, bull-fighting, robot wars, video games and tv.

But its American football thats the problem?

Anyone else think it's time for a Robot Wars revival?

primetime · Aug 11, 2014

shmessy said:
Ummm..........can any of these guys rush the quarterback? I heard Heidegger had an impressive vertical leap at the combine.
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Of course! After all one might say Heidegger was the intellectual father of the blitz...

pats4life12 · Aug 11, 2014

I don't care what the Boston Globe is saying I'm still going to watch football.

Gwedd · Aug 11, 2014

Galeb said:
Kant could, but only indirectly.

But at least Kant never lied about his abilities.....

Gwedd · Aug 11, 2014

primetime said:
Of course! After all one might say Heidegger was the intellectual father of the blitz...

Schroedinger tried to play QB once, but had trouble reading the defense. He could never be sure if there were 8 in the box.

crew1954 · Aug 12, 2014

PatsWickedPissah said:
No, I suspect he's a Loyalist!

A Tory?

shmessy · Aug 12, 2014

This is how Bat***T Crazy this essay is:

Today, even Shank Shaughnessy made fun of it, writing "Really? Can we also blame football for the Ebola virus?" (although coming from him, that may have been a serious request).

goheels22002 · Aug 12, 2014

Fencer said:
He's pretty lucky if that was his first major run-in with dementia. One of my grandmothers was a basket case. The other had strokes, which had some of the same effects. Between my wife's parents and mine we went 4-for-4 with dementia, and the only one whose dementia was entirely mild complicated it with addictions. Really just one grandfather and a deaf aunt escaped; otherwise I've seen it hit almost every elderly member of my family.

(Both grandfathers, actually, but the other one died before I was born.)

primetime said:
Only for, like, Aristotle, Aquinas, and maybe Heidegger. Kierkegaard and the German philosophers would certainly have a bone to pick with this, to say nothing of 20th century thinkers like Foucault and Sartre. It's probably misused here but morality is not just good vs evil.

I'm a lot more sympathetic to the argument that football is inherently problematic because of its danger than a lot of posters here but this article is pretty putrid in laying it out. TNC had a good article on the NFL and Tony Dorsett at the Atlantic people should check out though.

It drives me crazy when guys on this board leap right over the Dark Ages as if they never happened. Overlooking Porphyry, St. Augustine and St. Anselm is so typical. Ian will let just anybody have an account here. I bet you also fail to recognize how far ahead of their time Rod Rust and **** MacPherson were. If it weren't for them, Bill Parcells would have wandered into obscurity long before he showed up in a Jets polo shirt.

I will say one thing, Socrates would have been a big fat nobody without Plato under center. It was like having a coach in the Parthenon.

FirstAndGoal · Aug 12, 2014

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the article nor do I see it as an attempt to undermine the sport by the Red Sox. My family have been around football their whole life and I think that it's always good to be critical of even things you love. It's a complicated topic but nothing that anyone should be afraid of when it comes to the suffering of these people we watch. They pay a heavy price for their excellence and our enjoyment and we need to examine who we are as people when we ignore the consequences of the game. How may times have people wished injury on another player or questioned their injuries while ignoring the harm they do to themselves to get back to the field?

Personally, I think it's been ignored too long and this isn't Greenpeace raising the issue. The issue is being raised by those who have suffered the most, the players. They're not trying to destroy the game. They're just trying to prevent the game from destroying their peers and that means holding the NFL accountable for safety. They (former players) want the media to write these articles so that the discussion is unavoidable.

The fact is, it has people talking and that's what they really want

shmessy · Aug 12, 2014

FirstAndGoal said:
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with the article nor do I see it as an attempt to undermine the sport by the Red Sox. My family have been around football their whole life and I think that it's always good to be critical of even things you love. It's a complicated topic but nothing that anyone should be afraid of when it comes to the suffering of these people we watch. They pay a heavy price for their excellence and our enjoyment and we need to examine who we are as people when we ignore the consequences of the game. How may times have people wished injury on another player or questioned their injuries while ignoring the harm they do to themselves to get back to the field?

Personally, I think it's been ignored too long and this isn't Greenpeace raising the issue. The issue is being raised by those who have suffered the most, the players. They're not trying to destroy the game. They're just trying to prevent the game from destroying their peers and that means holding the NFL accountable for safety. They (former players) want the media to write these articles so that the discussion is unavoidable.

The fact is, it has people talking and that's what they really want

I agree on the concussion issue.

Where does the 'greed, misogyny and militarism' come in then? What about the negative 'impact to our economic communities and national soul'?

There's a history regarding the Baseball Globe that, with all due respect, you seem not to be aware of.

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FirstAndGoal · Aug 12, 2014

It's an editorial piece. I take it for that. He's not distributing facts. It's about causing a reaction. Mission Accomplished. I don't take him seriously in the first place.

Is it true that the Patriots cheated their way to 3 Super Bowls because a few players said it? No, but it certainly gets a reaction. I don't get bothered by them saying it either because they're just baiting a reaction.

Journalism is dead in this country and probably around the world. Anyone with a blog and an opinion will have something to say (point is not lost on this conversation either).

Joker · Aug 12, 2014

a few players said what? Patriot players said this? References please...

FirstAndGoal · Aug 12, 2014

Joker said:
a few players said what? Patriot players said this? References please...

no, around the league... some would say because the game, it has credibly. My point is simply that I don't take him any more seriously than I would anyone else just because he's got a forum to speak from (the Globe).

I really should not have to give you a reference for players that said our wins were from cheating. Refer to the Ravens roster for examples.

PP2 · Aug 12, 2014

Galeb said:
Kant could, but only indirectly.

He would argue that the perception of the quarterback is a subjective construction in your mind and is not a direct product of reality. In that there is no such thing as an objective quarterback, agreement on what exactly is being rushed will always differ.

thomas144 · Aug 13, 2014

Excellent article. I'm not at the point where I'm going to stop watching the NFL but I am very aware that the sport as we know it is on its last legs. It's not a question of how many more generations - more like how many more years. I marvel at the sight of young children in some summer tackle football camp in Winchester - kids who are probably 8-years-old - how can their parents possibly let them play this game? For years I have said that the only educational value in playing football in high school is that you learn that you don't want your own children to play the game, and I wonder how many parents of these 8-year-olds ever played the game themselves. Maybe they did, but they forgot!

I think it's inevitable that within 20 years or so either the game will be played without helmets or, more likely with very big helmets that will make the players look like bobble-head dolls. Chances are I'm wrong and the change will come in 50 years.

eom · Aug 13, 2014

shmessy said:
You don't think an economic war is being waged by the Globe against the Krafts?

Why you should stop watching football - Magazine - The Boston Globe

".....Over the past year, I’ve studied the history of football and thought a lot about what the game means. I’ve come to believe that football fosters within us a tolerance for violence, greed, misogyny, and militarism. I believe it does economic damage to our communities and to the national soul. These are some of the reasons why I’ve stopped watching."

Rah, rah, Red Sox!

would it be enough to just stop reading about it in the globe?

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