Jason Cole: Pats and Revis working on Extension

chasa said:

what about the tip play last year? that was mccourty tipping the ball gently wasn't it?



there you go, Close game, 4th quarter, Mccourty comes over and tips a pass heading to a WR that had Cole beat, resulting in an interception.

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That was an incredibly heads up play. McCourty knew he was going out of bounds and he saw Ryan there with no Dolphin players around. So instead of catching the ball, he tipped it to a place only Ryan could have caught it.

Rob0729 said:

That was an incredibly heads up play. McCourty knew he was going out of bounds and he saw Ryan there with no Dolphin players around. So instead of catching the ball, he tipped it to a place only Ryan could have caught it.

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Actually, in an interview, Cole claimed he was telling McCourty to tip it to him. He said he was once a part of a play like that in college.

Rob0729 said:

Both Cole and Howe can be right. The Pats could have approached Revis to do a long term deal, but no negotiations have begun. Coles report despite the headlines does not actually say that there are active negotiations, but only initial contact in trying to get a deal done has happened.

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Cole actually just came out clarified it and said that Kraft is laying the groundwork for Revis to stay long term but there haven't been any official negotiations.

condon84 said:

McCourty is elite narrative reminds me of the "Mayo is elite" narrative. Both guys are good but I would never put them in the same category as Willis in the LBs category or Earl Thomas in the S category.

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Jerrod Mayo is every bit the linebacker as Patrick Willis. Both All-Pro, both AP Defensive Rookie of the Year, both selected to multiple Pro-Bowls. Mayo led the NFL in combined (assisted and unassisted) tackles in 2010, and he was on pace for a monster year last year before his injury.

McCourty and Earl Thomas is an interesting comparison. Similar size and very similar success. McCourty went to two Pro Bowls - once as a corner and once as a safety. We haven't seen the best of McCourty because he's had to backstop weaker corners as a safety, or move up into coverage when guys went down. This year will be an interesting test for him with Dennard, Browner and Revis in front of him. We may see him playing more of an Earl Thomas role.

Earl Thomas had the advantage of coming from being an All-American safety at Texas to playing safety from day one with Seattle. It allowed Thomas to play the "goalie" position for Seattle while their bigger bruisers like Browner and Sherman blitzed and gambled more than the Patriots have been able to do. The Seahawks play an extremely aggressive gambling defense that takes great advantage of the size they've drafted consistently on defense.

goheels22002 said:

Jerrod Mayo is every bit the linebacker as Patrick Willis. Both All-Pro, both AP Defensive Rookie of the Year, both selected to multiple Pro-Bowls. Mayo led the NFL in combined (assisted and unassisted) tackles in 2010, and he was on pace for a monster year last year before his injury.

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Not sure if this is sarcasm or serious

condon84 said:

Not sure if this is sarcasm or serious

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Completely serious. Go back to my post which I updated with more for you to consider.

goheels22002 said:

Completely serious. Go back to my post which I updated with more for you to consider.

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I've considered all those factors, including stats, accolades, teammates, etc. I've seen all of them play. While McCourty and Mayo are good players, IMO they are not on the same level as Willis and Thomas.

I consider Willis and Thomas on the same level of elite as say Wilfork. In previous years, some DTs may have better stats than Vince, match him in All-Pro and Pro-Bowl accolades, and in better situations to produce because of scheme/better teammates, but Vince was always one of the elite DTs in the league, if not the very best, when you watch them play and compare how good they are versus their competition. I can say the same for both Willis and Thomas, you can see how dominant those guys are.

If Willis and Thomas continue with the same level of play they are currently playing for the rest of their careers and they play for 10+ years, they'll have Hall of Fame careers. Just like Vince.

Can you say the same for Mayo and McCourty?

Triumph said:

Mcourty doesn't play CB much anymore unless the Pats are absolutely desperate.

Can you point to 1 big play that Mcourty has made to win a crucial game?
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Yup int in the end zone to ice win vs bills at home in 2012

condon84 said:

I've considered all those factors, including stats, accolades, teammates, etc. I've seen all of them play. While McCourty and Mayo are good players, IMO they are not on the same level as Willis and Thomas.

I consider Willis and Thomas on the same level of elite as say Wilfork. In previous years, some DTs may have better stats than Vince, match him in All-Pro and Pro-Bowl accolades, and in better situations to produce because of scheme/better teammates, but Vince was always one of the elite DTs in the league, if not the very best, when you watch them play and compare how good they are versus their competition. I can say the same for both Willis and Thomas, you can see how dominant those guys are.

If Willis and Thomas continue with the same level of play they are currently playing for the rest of their careers and they play for 10+ years, they'll have Hall of Fame careers. Just like Vince.

Can you say the same for Mayo and McCourty?

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Terrific question, and good observations. So far, we've seen Mayo and McCourty play in seriously flawed defenses, while Patrick Willis has been playing in a dominant defense during Harbaugh's tenure, and Thomas has been backstopping a great defense for the past two years.

If Mayo and McCourty can play aggressively within a defense like the 2014 version with so much talent at all three levels, and stay healthy, I can see them rising to the level of elite at their positions. Especially Mayo.

My feeling about this is that both Mayo and McCourty have had to make up for weaknesses at their respective levels of the defense. Mayo covering for guys like Jermaine Cunningham and Brandon Spikes, and McCourty being out-of-position most of the time with a frighteningly bad secondary two years ago until Talib showed up and he shifted to safety, and about the same last year (although Harmon, Ryan and Steve Gregory were upgrades over the year before.)

It's still amazing to me how the Patriots went to the Super Bowl in 2011 with guys like Sterling Moore, James Ihedigbo, Arrington and Chung as mainstays along with McCourty at cornerback.

NFL HOF? Who knows? Guys like Bruschi, McGinest, Harrison and Law probably won't get there. So who's to say about Willis, Thomas, Mayo and McCourty. The only one who has a long enough resume to be in the discussion is Willis, and he needs his team to break through and win the big one to make a legitimate claim at this point.

JMC00 said:

Cole actually just came out clarified it and said that Kraft is laying the groundwork for Revis to stay long term but there haven't been any official negotiations.

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So, in other words, Cole retracted his report, acknowledging that it was false. This is why I don't hang on every media report.

So the Pats are "laying the groundwork" to keep Revis, which means Kraft told Revis how much they appreciate him on the team in some sideline chit chat.

That's news?

hwc said:

So, in other words, Cole retracted his report, acknowledging that it was false. This is why I don't hang on every media report.

So the Pats are "laying the groundwork" to keep Revis, which means Kraft told Revis how much they appreciate him on the team in some sideline chit chat.

That's news?

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...and Kraft asked Revis to come play on a team friendly/on the cheap/back loaded contract....we all know the answer to that

So much of this "is McCourty" elite nonsense talk would be moot if Belichick hadn't drafted such garbage in the secondary the last 5, 6, or 7 years....but 90% of the fanboys don't want to hear that...

what DO the fanboys want to hear...tell us what YOU think since you've set yourself up as some kind of "Knower of things"....

FCB02062 said:

So much of this "is McCourty" elite nonsense talk would be moot if Belichick hadn't drafted such garbage in the secondary the last 5, 6, or 7 years....but 90% of the fanboys don't want to hear that...

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Somebody needs a little attention.

Joker said:

what DO the fanboys want to hear...tell us what YOU think since you've set yourself up as some kind of "Knower of things"....

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Well, they want to hear themselves/yourselves talk about how McCourty's elite, how the Pats will be 19-0 this season, how Belichick is the greatest GM ever, that Merriweather, Wheatley, Dowling, Chung, et al, were good picks...I'm certainly not a "knower of things" but I'm pretty objective and my rampant fanboyism of my youth (arguing on KFFL that Bledsoe was "elite", Pete Carroll was a great coach, Bobby Grier knew how to draft, Tony Simmons was going to be an ALL Pro, Chris Canty was the next Deion Sanders, etc.), has been replaced with guarded optimism and a healthy dose of reality that some PatsFans seem to lack and are over sensitive whenever someone says anything negative about the team....

For those that don't know (too young, whatever) KFFL was the most popular/perhaps only Pats forum in the early years of the internets....

PatsGuy said:

Greg Bedard was on CSNNE last night with Neumeier and Felger last night. Stated that if any deal happens it wont be done until after the season and any "hometown discount may only amount to a few million.
BTW: Both Neumeier and Felger together are total AR'SE'SS! you could tell Bedard was getting annoyed and at the end of segment responded to one of Felger's quips "you might b right..for the first time"

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This may be true. But if PATS extend and offer that's anywhere close to what Miguel indicated,
extension of 12 to 14 mil/year over the four years, Revis would be crazy not to seriously consider it.
Why?

1. Because he does not know what the future will bring.
2. He could hold out for a bigger contract but risk getting nothing due to an injury which he is very
   well aware could happen.
3. Even if he can get a bigger contract it may be with a team that has much less chance of getting to the Super Bowl.

Revis knows he is headed to the HOF but I'd be willing to bet he wants to go there with a ring or two.
At this point in his career this has to be a factor in his decision process.

If the PATS make an offer like Miguel suggest a deal very well could get done sooner than later.
But the question is: Have the Patriots extended an offer?
The risk to the PATS is Revis gets injured but that's a risk they take with every big contract they make.

well, bunky...you said something I DO agree with..."SOME Pats fans" do beat the pom poms, but then that's what FANS tend to do everywhere in the world. Common sense and my eyes tell me McCourty is a rung lower on the ladder the Earl Thomas. Willis is a feared hitter and Mayo is a tackling machine. Part of me would love to have a monster like Willis and part of me is quite content with the stellar play of Mayo. There's an opposite side of the spectrum where fans will NOT allow ANY comparisons with THEIR paradigms, which leads to these scoffing putdowns of SOME of our fans enthusiasms for our players.

Relax ,Francis.

FCB02062 said:

So much of this "is McCourty" elite nonsense talk would be moot if Belichick hadn't drafted such garbage in the secondary the last 5, 6, or 7 years....but 90% of the fanboys don't want to hear that...

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Oh, the sissy "fanboys"/" homers" issue again. While the fanboys worship at the altar of Belichick, I'm guessing people like you follow Shaughnessy, Borges and Felger like good little lemmings. Hypocrisy at its finest.

TonyTucker said:

McCourty is servicable as a safety. Revis is a hall of famer.

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Interesting. The players, GMs, coaches and a lot of fans disagree. But you know more than all of them correct?

Get out of your parents basement and grow up already.

Jackson 2 said:

Oh, the sissy "fanboys"/" homers" issue again. While the fanboys worship at the altar of Belichick, people like you follow Shaughnessy, Borges and Felger like good little lemmings. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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I can't stand Shaughnessy, Borges, etc. Felger, although he plays the agent provocateur, at least will credit the team when it does something well - not so for the others....