***THE OFFICIAL 2014 New England Patriots training camp thread***

AzPatsFan said:

They were the same misanthropes arguing that wunderkinden JAG might challenge Brady this TC...

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Ryan Mallett was lauded by NFL Network expert Mike Mayock for looking like a bona fide NFL starter on Monday but I mustn’t have been watching at the same time. Mallett had several picks and deflected passes during the 11-on-11 and individual drills.

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Postcard from Patriots training camp: Day 9 - Comcast SportsNet - CSNNE.com

What is Curran's Anti-Mallett agenda?

JMC00 said:

Well it's his 4th camp and going by memory his other 2 were nothing to write about. I leave his rookie year out because the lock-out and even Brady struggled in his rookie year training camp.

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As I recall, these same 'observers' were calling for Cassell to be cut in favor of an unknown never-was named Gutierez in the 2008 TC, and long before...

AzorianPats said:

Ill tell you what. If your into curvy girls. Shes it! She got a booty!

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She isn't really my type but she looks good.

Deus Irae said:

Again, though.... I've seen Mallett play, as has pretty much everyone who posts here. He's not shown NFL starter talent prior to this training camp (And he didn't show it on Friday, either, for example). That's just reality. If he's showing it right now, it's because of a big jump since last year.

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DI,

Mallett's first TC was a washout due to the labor strife. So in reality this is just his third genuine TC.

Mallett is not Tom Brady.

Brady is arguably the GOAT QB. But he is improving and I could see that last TC, and so apparently did Belichick and continues to do so. As proof I offer the fact that BB has very reluctant to even consider trading him.

Recall, He did beat out Hoyer for the backup QB job in only his sophomore season, and I like Hoyer. Hoyer in my opinion, is a starting caliber NFL QB, along the lines of Brian Sipe, a thinking man's QB with a limited arm.

Mallett has worked hard, kept his off field activities clean, even won a coveted parking space, for exemplary off-season efforts. He has the physical tools and always did, and has shown the mental effort needed to succeed.

I see no reason to disparage Mallett, but there are posters here who don't think he is worth a pitcher of warm spit, and I fail to understand why.

Before he is done, I predict Mallett will have several years as a starting, above average, NFL QB somewhere in the League, if not here.

AzPatsFan said:

Going 14-23 along with a couple of bomb TDs, certainly substantiates your observations...

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That was NOT my observation. I didn't see today's practice session yet.That quote is Mike Giardi talking TO Tom Curran.Giardi thought Mallett looked "meh" today. Curran disagreed with him. Why not LISTEN and READ the link before you go off on ME again. I'm just relaying observations from a source that is as bona-fide as there is in New England.

AzPatsFan said:

DI,

Mallett's first TC was a washout due to the labor strife. So in reality this is just his third genuine TC.

Mallett is not Tom Brady.

Brady is arguably the GOAT QB. But he is improving and I could see that last TC, and so apparently did Belichick and continues to do so. As proof I offer the fact that BB has very reluctant to even consider trading him.

Recall, He did beat out Hoyer for the backup QB job in only his sophomore season, and I like Hoyer. Hoyer in my opinion, is a starting caliber NFL QB, along the lines of Brian Sipe, a thinking man's QB with a limited arm.

Mallett has worked hard, kept his off field activities clean, even won a coveted parking space, for exemplary off-season efforts. He has the physical tools and always did, and has shown the mental effort needed to succeed.

I see no reason to disparage Mallett, but there are posters here who don't think he is worth a pitcher of warm spit, and I fail to understand why.

Before he is done, I predict Mallett will have several years as a starting, above average, NFL QB somewhere in the League, if not here.

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1. We don't know that BB was particularly reluctant to trade Mallett. We got conflicting reports on the subject of Mallett trades.
   
2. Hoyer clearly outplayed Mallett the year he was cut. That call was likely about money.
3. Mallett has never shown that he's NFL starting QB caliber. Frankly, it's questionable as to whether he's even shown that he's NFL QB2 caliber.

I get that Mallett's your binkie, which is, naturally enough, a good part of why you see no reason to disparage him. You're apparently not feeling such hesitation when it comes to labeling Tom E. Curran a misanthrope, though. I'm still waiting to hear about his agenda against Mr. Mallett.

Joker said:

That was NOT my observation. I didn't see today's practice session yet.That quote is Mike Giardi talking TO Tom Curran.Giardi thought Mallett looked "meh" today. Curran disagreed with him. Why not LISTEN and READ the link before you go off on ME again. I'm just relaying observations from a source that is as bona-fide as there is in New England.

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If you want an apology, you got it... But you quoted these inestimables, so to reply to them, I did so through your post.

Giardi appears to be simply a lap dog for Tommy E. DI asks a good question when he asks why Curran is so negative toward RM.

AzPatsFan said:

If you want an apology, you got it... But you quoted these inestimables, so to reply to them, I did so through your post.

Giardi appears to be simply a lap dog for Tommy E. DI asks a good question when he asks why Curran is so negative toward RM.

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I'm not asking that in the sense that I think Curran has some agenda. I'm asking you what you think is his reason for being 'negative', beyond the obvious of it being what he's seeing, because you seem to be implying that such an agenda is there.

Deus Irae said:

Hoyer clearly outplayed Mallett the year he was cut. That call was likely about money.

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Right you are. The Patriots were on the hook for $1.9 million if they kept Hoyer for his final contract year when they released him in 2012. They also cut Dan Koppen the same day.

Deus Irae said:

I'm not asking that in the sense that I think Curran has some agenda. I'm asking you what you think is his reason for being 'negative', beyond the obvious of it being what he's seeing, because you seem to be implying that such an agenda is there.

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I think Curran has an agenda, although I have no idea whether it's operating in this case. Brady is his guy, period. It wouldn't matter if he was playing on one leg, Curran would have him the starter. Note that I'm not disagreeing with him about Brady, just noting that he's a little overboard on it.

Amusing fact (at least to me) during 2008 training camp, he wrote something about how totally screwed they were if Cassell had to play and how BB was probably going to cut him in favor of Guiterez (sp??) anyway. I emailed something snarky to him along the lines of I expected BB had a pretty good idea about whether Cassell was worth keeping around. He sent something back to the effective of 'yeah, well we'll see moron'. Then sometime around when Cassell set NFL & Patriots records for most consecutive games with 400+ yards I emailed him again, basically being a ****, and he replied with something very gracious. So he has that gong for him.

KDPPatsfan85 said:

We better lock revis up long term. Revis is making our offense better and he is making our defense better.

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Yup. It's been a while since I've been this excited about the D. I was confident at this time last season, but it was nowhere near how confident and excited I am about this year's version. Can it be September already?

rochrist said:

I think Curran has an agenda, although I have no idea whether it's operating in this case. Brady is his guy, period. It wouldn't matter if he was playing on one leg, Curran would have him the starter. Note that I'm not disagreeing with him about Brady, just noting that he's a little overboard on it.

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But what does that have to do with an anti-Mallett agenda?

rochrist said:

I think Curran has an agenda, although I have no idea whether it's operating in this case. Brady is his guy, period. It wouldn't matter if he was playing on one leg, Curran would have him the starter. Note that I'm not disagreeing with him about Brady, just noting that he's a little overboard on it.

Amusing fact (at least to me) during 2008 training camp, he wrote something about how totally screwed they were if Cassell had to play and how BB was probably going to cut him in favor of Guiterez (sp??) anyway. I emailed something snarky to him along the lines of I expected BB had a pretty good idea about whether Cassell was worth keeping around. He sent something back to the effective of 'yeah, well we'll see moron'. Then sometime around when Cassell set NFL & Patriots records for most consecutive games with 400+ yards I emailed him again, basically being a ****, and he replied with something very gracious. So he has that gong for him.

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He has an account here, so you may have the chance to bring it up to him again

As far as beat writers go, Tom Curran is one of my favorites.

rochrist said:

I think Curran has an agenda, although I have no idea whether it's operating in this case. Brady is his guy, period. It wouldn't matter if he was playing on one leg, Curran would have him the starter. Note that I'm not disagreeing with him about Brady, just noting that he's a little overboard on it.

Amusing fact (at least to me) during 2008 training camp, he wrote something about how totally screwed they were if Cassell had to play and how BB was probably going to cut him in favor of Guiterez (sp??) anyway. I emailed something snarky to him along the lines of I expected BB had a pretty good idea about whether Cassell was worth keeping around. He sent something back to the effective of 'yeah, well we'll see moron'. Then sometime around when Cassell set NFL & Patriots records for most consecutive games with 400+ yards I emailed him again, basically being a ****, and he replied with something very gracious. So he has that gong for him.

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The problem with Tom Curran is he is a liar. Went on Comcast about how he had this inside info on Tom Brady's infection and how he wouldn't start the season which was a lie. He said something along the lines that he has a family to feed and his rep as a media source would get killed. Also lied and said he had info that the Pats will not franchise Cassell due to spy gate and they want to avoid they eyes of the NFL. When ESPN was live on tv saying Randy Moss has been traded, Curran was on Comcast and his so called sources informed him Moss had not been traded. Made up a rumor that Mallet would be traded and BB was not so pleased with him during his draft press conf.

goheels22002 said:

Right you are. The Patriots were on the hook for $1.9 million if they kept Hoyer for his final contract year when they released him in 2012. They also cut Dan Koppen the same day.

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Yeah, I definitely would not state that Hoyer "lost the job" to Mallett in what was basically Mallett's first real TC here.

PATS68 said:

The problem with Tom Curran is he is a liar. Went on Comcast about how he had this inside info on Tom Brady's infection and how he wouldn't start the season which was a lie. He said something along the lines that he has a family to feed and his rep as a media source would get killed. Also lied and said he had info that the Pats will not franchise Cassell due to spy gate and they want to avoid they eyes of the NFL. When ESPN was live on tv saying Randy Moss has been traded, Curran was on Comcast and his so called sources informed him Moss had not been traded. Made up a rumor that Mallet would be traded and BB was not so pleased with him during his draft press conf.

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I can understand the fact that you take Curran's facts with a grain of salt, but I'm not sure that any sports reporter deserves the reputation of a "liar" because their speculative reports were wrong.

Mike Reiss is a pretty decent beat reporter (when he sticks to less opinionated stuff, which can be said about any of them), and he gets many things wrong on the regular as well. I'm sure that we could easily come up with a few examples with Reiss like you have with Curran, but I wouldn't consider them "liars."

Deus Irae said:

But what does that have to do with an anti-Mallett agenda?

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I don't think he has an anti-Mallett agenda, more of a pro-Brady agenda. Which is understandable and is only worth comment (IMO) by noting that at times he'll go overboard to criticize anyone who /isn't/ Brady.

rochrist said:

I don't think he has an anti-Mallett agenda, more of a pro-Brady agenda. Which is understandable and is only worth comment (IMO) by noting that at times he'll go overboard to criticize anyone who /isn't/ Brady.

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You're kidding, right? Curran?


Come on.

supafly said:

I can understand the fact that you take Curran's facts with a grain of salt, but I'm not sure that any sports reporter deserves the reputation of a "liar" because their speculative reports were wrong.

Mike Reiss is a pretty decent beat reporter (when he sticks to less opinionated stuff, which can be said about any of them), and he gets many things wrong on the regular as well. I'm sure that we could easily come up with a few examples with Reiss like you have with Curran, but I wouldn't consider them "liars."

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I would have to strongly disagree with you. He went on Comcast with his so called info that he alone had that Brady's infection was so bad he would not start the season. He said all the beat writers and NFL insiders were wrong and that's why he made the comment that he has a family to feed and doesn't make things up. It was all a lie and he tried to put himself above his colleges. He had no info and it was all made up and the end result was Brady was fine week one and has been fine since.

Report: Infection ravaged Brady's knee - AFC East Blog - ESPN, 12/28/08


Different take and a more trusted source! I googled this story and all the NFL people said Tom Curran was flat out wrong and even people from Brady's camp said he was right on schedule which he had been.


There was one person reporting the Mallet to Houston on draft day and it was Curran. ESPN even went with it until the Houston reporter squashed Curran's story. The Houston reporter is pretty tied into the team and he rebuffed Curran's story as soon as Curran tried to run with it. BB also lit up Curran during the draft press conf.

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