Big Bad Browner

TriplecHamp said:

I think this is the problem here. You are implying that every player who plays in the NFL is incapable of fearing another player. Everybody who drives isn't afraid of reckless drivers. Its not a thought that comes into your mind every time you get behind the wheel of a car but if you knew that there were people who were terrible drivers on a particular stretch of road, you would be more cognizant of your surroundings because you would fear one of those idiots injuring you. Its perfectly rational and appropriate. If you see a guy on the other side of the field who is known as a head hunter and doesn't care about his safety on the field, you would have a completely rational and appropriate physiological response. Doesn't mean you won't continue about doing your job.


Do you believe every fighter who got in the ring with Mike Tyson didn't fear what he could do to them?

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I don't see what you are describing as being afraid of a player. Of course in a game where someones job is to hit you, you are aware of the consequences, and the potential for injury. That doesn't mean you are afraid of Kam Chancellor. You respect that you may be vulnerable to a hit that hurts. Knowing you could end up in pain is not fear. If it were fear players would refuse to run routes near the guy. Fear is not trepidation, fear is not concern, fear is not worry.

No the people that faced Mike Tyson were not afraid of him. They respected what he could do, but Jesus, they were professional boxers who decided to get in the ring and see who would prevail. If you fear the man, you don't get in the ring.

I just don't understand how people can say that Wes Welker leaves the huddle looks across the field, see Earl Thomas and thinks "Oh my God I am so scared of that man".

AndyJohnson said:

I just don't understand how people can say that Wes Welker leaves the huddle looks across the field, see Earl Thomas and thinks "Oh my God I am so scared of that man".

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Fear is not something you think. It is something you feel.

Galeb said:

Fear is not something you think. It is something you feel.

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Come on, man.

AndyJohnson said:

I don't see what you are describing as being afraid of a player. Of course in a game where someones job is to hit you, you are aware of the consequences, and the potential for injury. That doesn't mean you are afraid of Kam Chancellor. You respect that you may be vulnerable to a hit that hurts. Knowing you could end up in pain is not fear. If it were fear players would refuse to run routes near the guy. Fear is not trepidation, fear is not concern, fear is not worry.

No the people that faced Mike Tyson were not afraid of him. They respected what he could do, but Jesus, they were professional boxers who decided to get in the ring and see who would prevail. If you fear the man, you don't get in the ring.

I just don't understand how people can say that Wes Welker leaves the huddle looks across the field, see Earl Thomas and thinks "Oh my God I am so scared of that man".

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This is either assuming that everybody handles fear the same way or that there is a single level of fear that every person experiences. I'm afraid of sharks and I'm a fraud of getting stung by jelly fish. Neither keeps me out of the water. Not every jelly fish stings the same way, I'm less afraid of those brown ****ers that produce a painful sting than I am of a man o war. I see a man o war and best believe I'm getting out of the water I see one of the little brown ones and I'll just move over. Doesn't mean that I don't fear both. I can tell you right now that there are people guys that Tyson fought that would never get in the ring with him if they weren't getting paid. Not every footba player has a warrior "die on the field" mentality. If you pay me 1mill I'd stay in the water with a man o war, I'd probably get alligator arms around it though.

TriplecHamp said:

This is either assuming that everybody handles fear the same way or that there is a single level of fear that every person experiences. I'm afraid of sharks and I'm a fraud of getting stung by jelly fish. Neither keeps me out of the water. Not every jelly fish stings the same way, I'm less afraid of those brown ****ers that produce a painful sting than I am of a man o war. I see a man o war and best believe I'm getting out of the water I see one of the little brown ones and I'll just move over. Doesn't mean that I don't fear both. I can tell you right now that there are people guys that Tyson fought that would never get in the ring with him if they weren't getting paid. Not every footba player has a warrior "die on the field" mentality. If you pay me 1mill I'd stay in the water with a man o war, I'd probably get alligator arms around it though.

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I'm sorry but that analogy just doesn't cut it for me. You aren't competing against a shark. You aren't the same species as the shark, you aren't about to go out and hit and be hit against it for the next 3 hours.
The fact that a fighter knows they are not as good as Tyson so would only fight him with a very good chance of losing for money does not conclude that they are afraid of him.

RayClay said:

Admission or not, you realize Tony Eason was our starting quarterback for a number of years.

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I also remember him curling up in a fetal ball in the Super Bowl and the disdain John Hannah had for him.

The common subtleties of facial expressions and body language are lost on Andy Johnson.

AndyJohnson said:

Fear and afraid are basically the same word. You are the only one saying anything like that.
Intimidation and fear are not the same thing.
If Pinkston and Eason were afraid of other football players they wouldn't have gone on the field. Its as simple as that.

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I'm curious if you actually watched Eason. Because that dude was terrified out there. That's what kept him from being great. The worst mistake Ray Berry ever made (and he made a lot of them) was taking Grogan out for Eason that year.

AndyJohnson said:

Come on, man.

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Your use of the words afraid and fear clearly demonstrate that you truly don't understand them.

MrNathanDrake said:

The common subtleties of facial expressions and body language are lost on Andy Johnson.

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Wait, so your opinion of one man being afraid of another are based upon reading facial expressions and body language? That explains a lot.

rochrist said:

I'm curious if you actually watched Eason. Because that dude was terrified out there. That's what kept him from being great. The worst mistake Ray Berry ever made (and he made a lot of them) was taking Grogan out for Eason that year.

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I saw probably 90% of the snaps he played.

Galeb said:

Your use of the words afraid and fear clearly demonstrate that you truly don't understand them.

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Or you don't.

AndyJohnson said:

Or you don't.

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But I am not the one who keeps misusing them.

AndyJohnson said:

I'm sorry but that analogy just doesn't cut it for me. You aren't competing against a shark. You aren't the same species as the shark, you aren't about to go out and hit and be hit against it for the next 3 hours.
The fact that a fighter knows they are not as good as Tyson so would only fight him with a very good chance of losing for money does not conclude that they are afraid of him.

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So when a fighter admits that he's afraid like former UFC ww champion GSP has done so, he's lying? The idea that you can compete against someone and have a fear of them seems to be lost on you. Fyi players don't just fear getting injured, they fear getting embarrassed as well. Both suh and Calvin Johnson were at the top of NFL players most feared lists for diffrent reasons. These guys are world class athletes, not superheroes.

AndyJohnson said:

No the people that faced Mike Tyson were not afraid of him. They respected what he could do, but Jesus, they were professional boxers who decided to get in the ring and see who would prevail. If you fear the man, you don't get in the ring.

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You can't honestly believe this. For a couple of million /I'd/ get in the ring with him, and I can tell you, I'd be freaking terrified.

Galeb said:

But I am not the one who keeps misusing them.

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Nor am I

AndyJohnson said:

Nor am I

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OK, you can keep "thinking" emotions while the rest of the human race feels them.

AndyJohnson said:

No the people that faced Mike Tyson were not afraid of him. They respected what he could do, but Jesus, they were professional boxers who decided to get in the ring and see who would prevail. If you fear the man, you don't get in the ring.

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rochrist said:

You can't honestly believe this. For a couple of million /I'd/ get in the ring with him, and I can tell you, I'd be freaking terrified.

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That is why you are not a professional boxer, did not fight and win many fights against similar competition in order to be able to be paid millions to fight him.

I do not dispute that you would be afraid. I'm sure you would be afraid to pilot a plane. A trained pilot is not, nor is a train boxer afraid to fight or a trained football player afraid of another one.

receivers of course get intimidated by defenders. Have you never seen a receiver that has taken a beating throughout the game, alligator arm a pass because they are afraid of being hit?

WTF kind of argument is this nonsense?

Galeb said:

OK, you can keep "thinking" emotions while the rest of the human race feels them.

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Nice job of making something up and calling it my belief.