Big Bad Browner

PATS16N0 said:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/intimidate
: to make timid or fearful : frighten; especially : to compel or deter by or as if by threats

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Show me where I misdefined that?
Ray Clay asked what intimidation means, and I questioned what that question had to do with this conversation because IT NEVER CAME UP.
If he asked how I would consider someone who was intimiated within this discussion I would have given an answer. I didn't say intimidation doesn't relate to fear.
If he said 'what does freightened mean" I would again ask what that question has to do with the conversation.
Not difficult to understand really.

RayClay said:

Actually, intimidate means to instill fear or make afraid. The fact that you are so insecure that you are arguing with the two leading dictionaries and calling me a **** because I wanted to show the meaning instead of arguing pointlessly is pretty telling.

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No the definition of intimidate is not exclusively instilling fear.
Which doesn't even matter because my point was why does asking what intimidation means have anything to do with the discussion, not why does intimidation have anything to do with fear. You decided to take the low road and insult me instead of understanding that you post was pointless.

I am not arguing with any dictionary. There was no argument about the definition (until now when you narrowed it to make it only related to fear). The argument was what does asking the defintion of intimidation have to do with the discussion. You tried to be cute, and got caught, and now are on this arrogant diatribe deflecting the argument into something stupid.

AndyJohnson said:

You are not seriously comparing combat to a football game or being shot at and killed to being tackled are you?

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You can compare situations that are similar in principle but different in degree. Why would anyone go to combat when they're afraid, but not go into the NFL?

You admit some football players are afraid to play in the NFL, then state that every single player that plays in the NFL is completely without fear. Apparently, you also think that defensive players can instill fear (intimidate) in opponents, but no offensive player fears Browner, Wilfork or any other player.

Seems like an inconsistent point of view to me.

AndyJohnson said:

Show me where I misdefined that?
Ray Clay asked what intimidation means, and I questioned what that question had to do with this conversation because IT NEVER CAME UP.
If he asked how I would consider someone who was intimiated within this discussion I would have given an answer. I didn't say intimidation doesn't relate to fear.
If he said 'what does freightened mean" I would again ask what that question has to do with the conversation.
Not difficult to understand really.

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So you don't believe any defensive players intimidate opponents?

RayClay said:

Actually, intimidate means to instill fear or make afraid. The fact that you are so insecure that you are arguing with the two leading dictionaries and calling me a **** because I wanted to show the meaning instead of arguing pointlessly is pretty telling.

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However, there was never any disagreement on intimidation, only me saying there was no point in your posting 'what does intimidation mean'.

AndyJohnson said:

However, there was never any disagreement on intimidation, only me saying there was no point in your posting 'what does intimidation mean'.

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So you think some defensive players intimidate opponents?

RayClay said:

You can compare situations that are similar in principle but different in degree. Why would anyone go to combat when they're afraid, but not go into the NFL?

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No you cant. You cannot compare the fear of getting shot at with the fear of being tackled. You are 100% wrong there.

You admit some football players are afraid to play in the NFL,

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when did i say that?

then state that every single player that plays in the NFL is completely without fear.

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When did I say that, Mr Strawman. I said NFL players are not afraid of other players.
I am sure that NFL players have many fears. Losing their job, blowing out a knee. Many fear failure. You want to take my argument turn it into what you want to argue against and then tell me I am wrong because the argument you created for me is bad.

Apparently, you also think that defensive players can instill fear (intimidate) in opponents, but no offensive player fears Browner, Wilfork or any other player.

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I have said the opposite, that players are not afraid of other players. Again you are making up an argument, calling it mine then arguing with yourself.

Seems like an inconsistent point of view to me.

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It should because you invented it to be inconsistent.

RayClay said:

So you think some defensive players intimidate opponents?

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No. we are back to your silly argument about the definition of words.

Again, I did not say the concept of intiimidation has nothing to do with the discussion, I said your post 'what does intimidation mean' has nothing to do with the discussion.

RayClay said:

So you don't believe any defensive players intimidate opponents?

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Players are not afraid of other players

I interrupt this poster on poster bashing for the following video of Browner laying out James White in camp (hopefully it's not White being afraid or intimidated by Browner, not sure which as I am so confused now). This video is not mine and can be found on Youtube:


Carry on...

AndyJohnson said:

Players are not afraid of other players

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Todd Pinkston wasn't afraid of any defensive back? Tony Eason was never afraid of any pass rusher? That's your position?

Looks like he ran into a wall!

RayClay said:

Todd Pinkston wasn't afraid of any defensive back? Tony Eason was never afraid of any pass rusher? That's your position?

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Of course they werent.
Did they avoid hits? Sure they did. That doesn't mean they were afraid.
Tony Eason ducked under sacks. Not wanting to take the full force of a hit is not being afraid. In many cases it is being smart.
Are QBs afraid of the defender when they slide?
Wes Welker hits the turf instead of taking the tackle. Is he afraid?
People on this board want Gronk to fall down instead of getting tackled. Would that make him afraid?

37Harrison said:

I interrupt this poster on poster bashing for the following video of Browner laying out James White in camp (hopefully it's not White being afraid or intimidated by Browner, not sure which as I am so confused now). This video is not mine and can be found on Youtube:


Carry on...

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Do you think the next time they call that play White will look up and if Browner is on the field say "No Bill please don't make me do it. Can I sit this one out if I wax your boat next week?"

An awesome Browner gif thread turned into Jets Insider idiocy because you cannot just admit you were wrong.

AndyJohnson said:

Of course they werent.
Did they avoid hits? Sure they did. That doesn't mean they were afraid.
Tony Eason ducked under sacks. Not wanting to take the full force of a hit is not being afraid. In many cases it is being smart.
Are QBs afraid of the defender when they slide?
Wes Welker hits the turf instead of taking the tackle. Is he afraid?
People on this board want Gronk to fall down instead of getting tackled. Would that make him afraid?

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So, this was somehow a smart football play and not giving up a touchdown because of fear? Really?

RayClay said:

So, this was somehow a smart football play and not giving up a touchdown because of fear? Really?

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Is that what I said? Sorry I was reading my words not the ones you would later assign to me.

PATS16N0 said:

An awesome Browner gif thread turned into Jets Insider idiocy because you cannot just admit you were wrong.

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Why would I admit I was wrong. What have you said to change my opinion? All you have done is act like a child.
You do realize that this is all an opinion right? You do not the facts of whether any player is actually afraid of another player. Please recap all the great reasons you have given to show me why your opinion is indisputable. Which players told you they were afraid, and who were they afraid of?
But please go ahead and tell me how you know that White is now afraid of Browner.

PATS16N0 said:

An awesome Browner gif thread turned into Jets Insider idiocy because you cannot just admit you were wrong.

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He's desperately trying to save face.

He should've just gave up and admitted he was wrong a few pages ago.

AndyJohnson said:

Is that what I said? Sorry I was reading my words not the ones you would later assign to me.

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Well, that was a play in a game, right? Your position was, his bailing on a possible touchdown couldn't be fear, right? Just trying to get what you thought he was doing there, since we ruled out fear.

Come on, it's not that complicated. If Pinkston didn't act out of fear, what was he doing on that play?