***THE OFFICIAL 2014 New England Patriots training camp thread***

AndyJohnson said:

They won an AFC CHampionship

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Oh, my bad, I see now why Barry Sanders sucked. Can't believe you never put it that way before!

Can we please move the BS debate out of the training camp thread? At least where it doesn't pertain to who's the better back between Ridler and BS? Thanks in advance.

Hearing about how physical Browner is...is giving me a pants tent.

http://www.csnne.com/new-england-patriots/patriot-wideouts-try-get-free-glove

I can't help but think this is a frustrating (for the WRs), but ultimately beneficial thing.

RayClay said:

He started the day by throwing Browner to the ground and making a catch in the end zone(according to Howe). I don't think we expect him to out-physical an enraged Browner the whole game. Good fighting spirit and I'm sure his team mates, including Browner, will give him some props for that.

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I believe you're talking about KT vs Browner. If so, the next play had Browner slamming KT to the ground which resulted in the O'Shea altercation which Browner later apologized for to O'Shea.

I think this is a good thing on a few levels. On one, it builds team spirit if the team can grow from it and I think they can. Browner was quite complementary of KT afterwards. As many have alluded to it also shows fire from our secondary and forms bonds between players. They should turn this fire against other teams.

Mike Reiss writes:

Browner was complimentary of Thompkins.

“KT’s got routes at the line of scrimmage that are unmatchable,” he said. “Some guys aren’t as quick as that dude, so it’s been competitive going against that guy. And it’s only going to make me better."

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-...84/browners-physical-play-stands-out-for-pats

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On another level, KT will never face a more physical CB this year than Browner. So it will make him a better player.

No one should be alarmed by the altercation. We need toughness and Browner is going to be great at that aspect.

I went to training camp today, here are my observations:

Revis is smooth as silk in coverage. Him and Edleman competing is a pleasure to watch.

Can anyone else confirm I saw this correctly (happened on the far end of the field) or are my eyes going bad? Harmon got into it with somebody from offense and Revis quickly stepped in to diffuse the situation prior to any altercation. Then Browner took Harmon aside to calm him. Revis , Browner each showing their own brand of leadership.

Jaime Collins is dominant in pass coverage ably handling Ridley twice. I wanted to see him matched up vs. Vereen. Looks stronger than last year. He's as big as mayo now without any apparent loss in speed or acceleration and plays the game with a low pad level which should result in solid tackling and some bone crunching hits.

Malcolm Butler had a good day. He really stood out from the other corners and plays with high effort. Is on his receiver's hip when the ball arrives.

Interesting Connolly took top reps today at C with Stork out and Wendell present.

OhExaulted1 said:

Interesting Connolly took top reps today at C with Stork out and Wendell present.

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I think we are a better team with Connolly at C and Cannon at RG. More power and size. Unless Wendell overwhelmingly wins the position battle.

OhExaulted1 said:

Interesting Connolly took top reps today at C with Stork out and Wendell present.

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I read that Stork returned today, for whatever it's worth.

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Check that, he did not return.

Elijah said:

Oh, my bad, I see now why Barry Sanders sucked. Can't believe you never put it that way before!

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What does correcting the comment that Hannah and Tippett never won anything have to do with Barry Sanders?

BradyFTW! said:

Which turns this into a semantic debate re: what constitutes "winning something". By that measure, Peyton Manning is a playoff superstar.

The point: the only way that you can claim Barry Sanders sucks without concluding the same about Hannah and Tippett is pointing to their two additional career playoff wins, neither of which were Super Bowl wins. Which is a completely absurd way to judge a player's career.

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I simply corrected you that they never won anything. I think a conference championship is winning something. Not sure how you turn that into Peyton Mannings losing record being good, but saying Manning never won anything would be wrong too.
Who in the world said Barry Sanders sucks?
Who is judging anyones career?
You seem to have taken me correcting your misstatement as cause to start an argument with yourself.

AndyJohnson said:

I simply corrected you that they never won anything. I think a conference championship is winning something. Not sure how you turn that into Peyton Mannings losing record being good, but saying Manning never won anything would be wrong too.
Who in the world said Barry Sanders sucks?
Who is judging anyones career?
You seem to have taken me correcting your misstatement as cause to start an argument with yourself.

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You didn't correct anything. You objected to my use of a subjective term by giving your own equally subjective definition. And as far as who said anyone sucks, maybe you should actually read the context of the posts that you're quoting before you object to them, because that's exactly what the post that I was responding to suggested. As usual, you seem a little overeager to 'correct' someone without actually reading the discussion that they're participating in.

condon84 said:

That's a silly retort. There's only so much he could do against elite defenses in the playoffs determined to stop him putting 9-10 men in the box. He made defenses one dimensional which is more than any RB could have done for his QB and passing game. LOL at the thought of he didn't do much to help his team.

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If you want to think he played well in those playoff losses, good for you. The numbers do not support your opinion though.
If you want to make excuses for him, great, but in the end its about production.
Just because he was a great player doesnt mean he played well in those games.

BradyFTW! said:

You didn't correct anything. You objected to my use of a subjective term by giving your own equally subjective definition. And as far as who said anyone sucks, maybe you should actually read the context of the posts that you're quoting before you object to them, because that's exactly what the post that I was responding to suggested. As usual, you seem a little overeager to 'correct' someone without actually reading the discussion that they're participating in.

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My making a comment in response to a post is limited to the comment, not what you want to read between the lines.
You said they never won anything (not subjective at all) and I corrected that. If I wished to use that as a reason to explain that it means Barry Sanders sucked, I would have said so. I did not, I simply commented on that point. Obviously, since you love to categorize me with what you think I am or do, you should realize that if I do anything I explain my point in detail.

AndyJohnson said:

My making a comment in response to a post is limited to the comment, not what you want to read between the lines.
You said they never won anything (not subjective at all) and I corrected that. If I wished to use that as a reason to explain that it means Barry Sanders sucked, I would have said so. I did not, I simply commented on that point. Obviously, since you love to categorize me with what you think I am or do, you should realize that if I do anything I explain my point in detail.

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So you don't know what subjective means. Fair enough. Now, I know you could continue this ridiculous semantic debate for a full year if I was willing to indulge you, but I'm not. There's nothing left to be said here.

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BradyFTW! said:

So you don't know what subjective means. Fair enough. Now, I know you could continue this ridiculous semantic debate for a full year if I was willing to indulge you, but I'm not. There's nothing left to be said here.

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"Never won anything" is not subjective. It is not an opinion. It is a fact, which in this case is wrong.
Nice job trying to make it about me though when you know you are wrong.

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it's pathetic

Im a big thompkins shipper. I want him on this team, and i want him to excel.

With that said, we need to find out now what hes got, if he cant handle getting roughed up a little by browner, what is he going to do with guys like Talib, and Sherman as potential matchups this coming year.

Get that thick skin now, get used to the taunting and physicality, and during the season he should be able to block that garbage out and just deliver the sauce.