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Browner is playing with Swag and getting Chad O Shea's face after he called him on a pass interference with Lafell
 
What Browner holding in practice?? we should just sit his butt for four games.:cool:
 
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Sanders was the best player on those teams.
I think your point was that a player whose total package is a lot of short or negative runs plus a lot of long runs is not as valuable when he doesn't break the long run.

Now, you could make the argument that never having a good QB made it easier to defend Sanders, but if you look at what he did, its not impressive.

6 playoff games, 1 win in which he was awesome (27-169)
In the 5 losses, these were his numbers

rushes-yards-long
12-69-47
11-44-23
13--1-7
10-40-9
18-65-15

That is 5 games of rushing 64 times for 217 yards, and a 3.4 average, and if we apply your consideration of the long run aspect, and take away the 47 yarder on his other 63 carries in those 5 losses he averaged 2.7 ypc.
This is the heart of what you allude to. Lets call the 47 yarder an single handed TD. Is one TD in 5 games enough to overshadow 2.7 ypc and an average of only 34 yards per game otherwise?

That pretty much sums it up, thanks. I'm dropping out cuz this thread is about camp and people don't want to hear any more about Barry.
 
Lafell really catching on seems to be feeling more comfortable in our Offense everyday fine work by him. if Lafell continues Dobson can take all the time in the world to heal. Thompkins not backing down from Browner says alot about his development. If we can Field Four healthy WR's early on say Edelman - Lafell - Thompkins and Amendola not counting Dobson...the position might be better than first thoughts. Knowing Amendola is somewhat fragile I am wondering with the Lafell Signing and Thimpkins development if we might use Amendola exclusively on 3rd downs barring injury.
 
Ridley is a better RB than Ben and he is certainly more explosive. Ridley just has not been a threat to rip off long runs, I do not understand why people make that out to me thinking he sucks.

Dillion was a beast and he could rip off the long runs.

Dillon could rip off long ones, but so could almost any RB given the blocking.

We're talking about being a threat to break big ones. Dillon had 8 20+ yard runs in 2004 and just 5 over the next two seasons. That's nothing amazing.

Ridley, not known for big runs, had 6 runs over 20 yards in 2012.

So Dillon wasn't a legit homerun threat. He was a grinder and would break a bigger one if given the space.
 
Shane Vereen catching Wheel route in practice hopes he does the same in actual games he dropped a couple of Big gainers on that same route last year. I'll give him a pass with the cast last year.
 
The physicality of Browner and Revis is awesome for our WRs. I really think after a month of practicing vs. each other our WRs will be more than ready to make second year leaps and improve off previous years.

I love hearing about this secondary.
 
Dillon could rip off long ones, but so could almost any RB given the blocking.

We're talking about being a threat to break big ones. Dillon had 8 20+ yard runs in 2004 and just 5 over the next two seasons. That's nothing amazing.

Ridley, not known for big runs, had 6 runs over 20 yards in 2012.

So Dillon wasn't a legit homerun threat. He was a grinder and would break a bigger one if given the space.

Dillion was a punishing runner, did you watch him or are you just looking at stats? And yes, he was at the end of his career with the Patriots.
 
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Tommy Kelly is participating in 11-on-11s and 1-on-1s. I'd expect him to come off PUP today.
 
Shane Vereen catching Wheel route in practice hopes he does the same in actual games he dropped a couple of Big gainers on that same route last year. I'll give him a pass with the cast last year.

Did it look smooth and crisp (assuming you're there)?
 
Has anyone seen any over the shoulder passes to Vereen this camp? If he fixes that part of his game, he could become a serious threat in the passing game.
 
It was in the game he ran 13 times for -1 yard and his team lost 16-12.
It was in the 5 of 6 games he rushed for under 70 yards.

Its the same as the Marino argument. If you want to give him credit for 'carrying the team' you have to recognize that the reason they fell short is that he failed to carry them in the post season.
Barry Sanders post season play is not HOF caliber, for whatever reason you wish to explain it with.


His team faced a better team, plain and simple. It's not hard to comprehend.
 
Some Tweets from Howe on Revis...

Jeff Howe@jeffphowe · 34m
Brady and LaFell beat Revis on a perfect throw to corner of end zone on a later rep.

Jeff Howe@jeffphowe · 39m
1-on-1 from 10-yard line: Revis vs. Edelman and Brady didn't even bother to make the throw.
 
I agree. As said in a previous post, Barry is why the Lions made it to the playoffs. If he could have minimized the negatively plays, I think he could have carried them farther. I think Adrian Peterson has done more with a significantly worse, more dysfunctional team in a passing era.

If his team's passing attack were more competent, they would have fared better. Those better defenses he faced in the playoffs committed to stopping him. If he had a better QB and WR on his team, they should have been able to at least take advantage of a defense so completely sold on stopping Barry.
 
Dillion was a punishing runner, did you watch him or are you just looking at stats? And yes, he was at the end of his career with the Patriots.

ya I watched Dillon and you're answering my point. He was a punisher. He was the Marshawn Lynch of 2004 which isn't a homerun threat.

What are you trying to say?
 
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