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The Patriots changed after the helmet catch. The organization changed, the team changed, and the fans changed. 18-1 was a big slice of humble pie, and we've bore it for awhile. and still bear it today. We don't want to pump our chests because someone might catch a football on their helmet if we do, and then rub all kinds of salt in our wounds.

I've been optimistic about a 4th Superbowl a few seasons since, which we missed, but I didn't talk trash about it, and most other fans didn't either, and the team has certainly been the same way. We just watched quietly and prayed.

Tom once openly laughed at a reporter that said we wouldn't score 17 points in the Superbowl. I know, it's the one comment he had to pay for, and he's never done it again.

Even Belichick used to do some crypo-trashtalk, like when idiot-face from Pittsburgh guaranteed a win and he sent bombs over Baghdad in his direction all night long, then told reporters "Well, we've faced a helluva' lot better safeties than him before, that's for sure."

Honestly, I was bashing the Jets for all the trash their talking this season. Then I started watching some football stuff on youtube for the first time in awhile, as I get myself ready for football mode.

I gotta' be honest....

I miss the New England Patriots that danced on other teams logos on the 50 yard line on the way to a Superbowl win.

I miss other teams whining about how "classless" we are as we dump all over them while condescendingly telling them they should be classy like us.

There's a case to be made that this sort of thing doesn't win football games, and that it only invites enemies to pour on the heart break when it comes, but at this point in Patriot history, we get all that anyway.

I think a case can also be made that the old school Patriots trash talking ways were liberating for our football team, and that being smug, arrogant #$$&@*%'s makes the game more fun for the players, and that fun creates a better product on the football field.

I feel like maybe after so much success we got away from being that `roll into your house and stomp your face in` football team and became all about upholding legacy as a `serious` football team that's always the epitome of professional.

We used to talk trash. We used to dance on logos. We used to be... disrespectful.

And we used to win Superbowls.

Ever since we became... stuffy... we've had a lot more seasons where we started clamming up in the biggest moments. In fact, I would say some of our best post season games since 2007 have been against teams that naturally inspired that old Patriot fire to burn, like the war we had against the Ravens in the 2011 AFCCG, because we hate those bastards.

I'm sick of this post-2007, humble, by-the-book, "our opponents are great" Patriot way. It's got us exactly nothing.

I don't care what the pink hats say, with their holier-than-thou fandom `professionalism`

This season I would love to see New England return to its Dynasty swag, take no prisoners, ruffle a whole lot of feathers, and disrespect whoever the hell we want to, and let it all hang out.

Agree or disagree?
 
Agree, and I think this is gonna be the year it happens!

From the sounds of TC, sure sounds like Revis and Browner are bringing some swag into this defense!
 
i personally think its more about us having a better overall team back then.....especially on defense and in 03 and 04......and we were also luckier then too.....or more clutch.......whatever you want to call it......

i do worry sometimes about BB neutering some of our guys emotionally......i look at the seahawks, giants, ravens,.....and i see how they played with such loose aggressiveness.......part of me envies that

just my opinion.......but i see what your saying......we had guys that could do things BB's way and still have that "swag"......in a sense........and they were good players too
 
Attitude.

That has been the missing ingredient since 2007.

We used to have it and we didn't give a flying $^#% if you liked it or not.

With Revis and Browner on the defensive side of the ball, and crazy Brady and Gronk on the offense, I want to see serious killer instinct attitude this season that is down right disrespectful.

I want to see the pink hats unleash their inner Eagles fan.

I want people to fear coming to the Razor as much as anywhere else.

Attitude has been the missing ingredient since we were traumatized into humility by the helmet catch.

$^#@ that catch, and $^#% anyone who tries to stop us winning #4.
 
I think I see what you are saying, but I would look at it this way.

Back then we could win a game in one of the following ways:
Great Offense, OK defense, OK Special Teams
OK Offense, Great Defense, OK Special Teams
OK Offense, OK defense, Great Special Teams
(or we could have been Great in 2 or 3 of the phases of the game)

Lately, We've had a defense that has been Bad to OK (and last year it showed signs of greatness over the first 3-5 games...until the injuries started happening. They even won us some games when the offense was still adjusting to the rookie WR crew).

I doubt BB is accepting or tightening up more or less compared to then. He's the model of consistency (though very fluid at the same time).

A few plays here or there and we could have a 1-4 or a 5-0 SB record with BB/Brady.
 
“It’s really embarrassing.IT really is. It’s embarrassing. Can’t hit the snap count. Can’t line up on side. There are
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holding penalties in the defensive passing game every week for key conversions. There are holding penalties on offense, giving the ball away like we don’t give a nuts about it. Just turn it over to ‘em. Leave the ball lying on the field there for five seconds while they come from 30 yards away to recover it. It’s just dumb football, fellas.

I’ll tell you one other thing too, I’ve read a couple of comments. Now, I don’t spend a lot of time reading the paper. I really don’t. but I do watch a little about what we say and what we think. I’ve seen a couple comments here, some of the players talking about we need to get our ‘swagger’ back. Our attitude back.....you know what? We didn’t have a ‘swagger’ last year. If you
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think about it, we didn’t have a swagger. What we had awas a sense of urgency, a sense of urgency about playing well, being smart, and capitalizing on every opportunity and situation that came our way….it wasn’t about a
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swagger. You can take that swagger and shove it up your ***, okay?!” - Bill Belichick, addressing the team during the Patriots 2003 season.
 
“It’s really embarrassing.IT really is. It’s embarrassing. Can’t hit the snap count. Can’t line up on side. There are
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holding penalties in the defensive passing game every week for key conversions. There are holding penalties on offense, giving the ball away like we don’t give a nuts about it. Just turn it over to ‘em. Leave the ball lying on the field there for five seconds while they come from 30 yards away to recover it. It’s just dumb football, fellas.

I’ll tell you one other thing too, I’ve read a couple of comments. Now, I don’t spend a lot of time reading the paper. I really don’t. but I do watch a little about what we say and what we think. I’ve seen a couple comments here, some of the players talking about we need to get our ‘swagger’ back. Our attitude back.....you know what? We didn’t have a ‘swagger’ last year. If you
censored2.gif
think about it, we didn’t have a swagger. What we had awas a sense of urgency, a sense of urgency about playing well, being smart, and capitalizing on every opportunity and situation that came our way….it wasn’t about a
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swagger. You can take that swagger and shove it up your ***, okay?!” - Bill Belichick, addressing the team during the Patriots 2003 season.
I always think of that speech he gave when I see someone (player or otherwise) bring up swagger.
 
“It’s really embarrassing.IT really is. It’s embarrassing. Can’t hit the snap count. Can’t line up on side. There are
censored2.gif
holding penalties in the defensive passing game every week for key conversions. There are holding penalties on offense, giving the ball away like we don’t give a nuts about it. Just turn it over to ‘em. Leave the ball lying on the field there for five seconds while they come from 30 yards away to recover it. It’s just dumb football, fellas.

I’ll tell you one other thing too, I’ve read a couple of comments. Now, I don’t spend a lot of time reading the paper. I really don’t. but I do watch a little about what we say and what we think. I’ve seen a couple comments here, some of the players talking about we need to get our ‘swagger’ back. Our attitude back.....you know what? We didn’t have a ‘swagger’ last year. If you
censored2.gif
think about it, we didn’t have a swagger. What we had awas a sense of urgency, a sense of urgency about playing well, being smart, and capitalizing on every opportunity and situation that came our way….it wasn’t about a
censored2.gif
swagger. You can take that swagger and shove it up your ***, okay?!” - Bill Belichick, addressing the team during the Patriots 2003 season.

GREAT quote.
I think that was Kevin Faulk who fumbled vs GB and just left the ball on the field. BB was wicked pissed.
 
GREAT quote.
I think that was Kevin Faulk who fumbled vs GB and just left the ball on the field. BB was wicked pissed.

Right. And it's so totally BB -- nothing matters more to him than execution.
 
I miss those days too. It's only human nature. What I can't stand is when people dwell on those teams every waking minute, compare every aspect of every team and player the last 10 years to those teams. It gets redundant and old fast. Personally I just want this years team to have its own identity and I can sense it is coming real soon. I felt it last year before injury hell took over.
 
"Disrespectful swagger" is for losers. A certain team in New Jersey immediately comes to mind. Give me a tough, tight-lipped team that praises its opponents before kicking their asses with lethal efficiency. That's what I call class.
 
GREAT quote.
I think that was Kevin Faulk who fumbled vs GB and just left the ball on the field. BB was wicked pissed.

And, obviously, not cutting Faulk at that point was a grave error on BB's part. :rolleyes:
 
"Disrespectful swagger" is for losers. A certain team in New Jersey immediately comes to mind. Give me a tough, tight-lipped team that praises its opponents before kicking their asses with lethal efficiency. That's what I call class.

This is just talk. It doesn't reflect reality.

There's a team called the Seattle Seahawks. They're the Superbowl champions. They've been been one of the most feared teams in football for a few seasons now, talk more trash than anyone, get in people's faces, and they won a ring last year.

They played Denver last year in the preseason the same way they thumped them in the Superbowl.

Care to revise your statement?
 
“It’s really embarrassing.IT really is. It’s embarrassing. Can’t hit the snap count. Can’t line up on side. There are
censored2.gif
holding penalties in the defensive passing game every week for key conversions. There are holding penalties on offense, giving the ball away like we don’t give a nuts about it. Just turn it over to ‘em. Leave the ball lying on the field there for five seconds while they come from 30 yards away to recover it. It’s just dumb football, fellas.

I’ll tell you one other thing too, I’ve read a couple of comments. Now, I don’t spend a lot of time reading the paper. I really don’t. but I do watch a little about what we say and what we think. I’ve seen a couple comments here, some of the players talking about we need to get our ‘swagger’ back. Our attitude back.....you know what? We didn’t have a ‘swagger’ last year. If you
censored2.gif
think about it, we didn’t have a swagger. What we had awas a sense of urgency, a sense of urgency about playing well, being smart, and capitalizing on every opportunity and situation that came our way….it wasn’t about a
censored2.gif
swagger. You can take that swagger and shove it up your ***, okay?!” - Bill Belichick, addressing the team during the Patriots 2003 season.

Yeah, well, when you lose a fumble recovery to a player 30 yards away, I can see why Belichick would emphasize urgency over swagger. It's a pretty irrelevant quote given the circumstances it was said under after a game of bad football.
 
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Idiot TV announcers and guys like Warren Sapp can waste all the time they like talking about swagger (and body language for that matter). Swagger doesn't put points on the board and does nothing to get the other guys off the field on third down.
 
This is just talk. It doesn't reflect reality.

There's a team called the Seattle Seahawks. They're the Superbowl champions. They've been been one of the most feared teams in football for a few seasons now, talk more trash than anyone, get in people's faces, and they won a ring last year.

Care to revise your statement?
No, I definitely do not care to "revise" my statement. The nonsense you praise is incidental to talented teams like Seattle who win IN SPITE of it, not because of it. Did you read fnordcircle's quote from BB regarding this issue of "swagger"? You need consult no higher authority. If acting disrespectfully and in unsportsmanlike fashion won championships, the Jets would be perennial title holders. Talent, focus, hard work and execution wins in pro sports, not "attitude" or loudmouth schoolyard b.s., which burns energy and distracts from the tasks at hand.
 
Idiot TV announcers and guys like Warren Sapp can waste all the time they like talking about swagger (and body language for that matter). Swagger doesn't put points on the board and does nothing to get the other guys off the field on third down.

Neither does being a soulless, bland, robotic football organization.

The last two Superbowl champions had an over abundance of attitude. So did the Giants before them. So did the TWO Giant teams that beat us in the big game.

Patriot fans have just bought into the BS of "The Patriot Way" (for fans) and have become a bunch of Mary Sue's that want to walk timidly through every single season and hope we don't upset anyone while tip toeing to a Superbowl championship we never win.

This is the NFL. Not the friendly retirement home league.
 
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