Did anyone catch CNN's special on Aaron Hernandez?

203Pat · Jun 25, 2014

AzorianPats said:
From everything I've heard about Hernandez, he seems to be one of those guys that was who he hung out with. If he hung out with thugs, he'd be a thug. If he hung out with Tebow, he'd be a good church boy. This guy had no direction it seems

After hearing about his PCP use, it kinda all makes sense. Let's just think about it for a second...

He was a frequent visitor to clubs around Boston and Providence. Pats make the SB, he scores a TD he gets more exposure, people start recognizing him more. Some are star struck, others especially the ones that have had a few drinks in them already, see a professional football player and want to challenge him. Starts carrying a gun, and seriously abusing angel dust, gets completely ****ed up, then something innocent like getting bumped in the club and having a drink spilled on you becomes major. The paranoia kicks in that these group of guys are testing him. He thinks he has to blast them.

He gets his big contract weeks after, maybe some of his old thug friends pop back into his life when they find out he got paid. Continues to abuse drugs, gets more paranoid, gets into an altercation with Bradley, and basically leaves him for dead down in Florida. So he now killed 2 guys in Boston, and shoots at a friend, that was a drug dealer back home. Leaving him more paranoid. He supposedly meets up with BB at the combine, tells him he fears for his life. BB, not knowing he's dealing with a killer gives him advice, basically figures that as long as he's playing football AH is OK, but needs to be surrounded by the right people. So he brings in Tebow, and gets AH brother DJ Hernandez an intern job down in Foxboro for OTA and mini camp. Both guys where known as positive influences in AH life, but at that time, it was too late. AH was in too deep, then weeks later he kills Lloyd....

After all that rambling, the moral of this story is simple.....Don't do drugs!

He was punching out people in clubs and allegedly involved in a shooting in Gainesville.

AzorianPats · Jun 25, 2014

203Pat said:
He was punching out people in clubs and allegedly involved in a shooting in Gainesville.

In Florida, I heard he was close to the Pouncey twins, and Tebow was pretty much his baby sitter.

Brady6 · Jun 25, 2014

AzorianPats said:
In Florida, I heard he was close to the Pouncey twins, and Tebow was pretty much his baby sitter.

Reggie Nelson was his homeboy too.

Brady6 · Jun 25, 2014

203Pat said:
He was punching out people in clubs and allegedly involved in a shooting in Gainesville.

You didn't really think he just became what he is in 2012? You don't have the arrogance to roll up on a car on Shawmut Ave. in Boston unless you have killed before. That is not a virgin crime.

Mike the Brit · Jun 25, 2014

How can KF fail to see what's obviously been going on with Hernandez?

I think what happens is this. If you know a person you put yourself in their shoes and you can't conceive yourself doing what they're supposed to have done. So you don't believe it.

I was thinking along these lines and it seemed quite theoretical because, thank God, I've never known someone like Hernandez. But then I remembered that I have indeed gone through something a bit similar, on quite a different level.

A relation of mine was (is) married to someone who seemed to be an extremely solid, conservative guy -- professional, pillar of the church, nice house and garden in an old village, kids at boarding school. It turns out that he'd been involved in some crazy speculative business schemes and had brought himself to the edge of bankruptcy, professional disqualification and possibly fraud charges. Anyway his wife and her family stood by him and pulled things round. When I learned of what was going on the thing that made it so difficult to accept was I kept asking myself: why should anyone do such idiotic, self-destructive stuff when he doesn't need to?

I still see this guy every couple of years or so and he still presents himself as though he was a model of a solid, responsible citizen. It just doesn't add up.

Brady6 · Jun 25, 2014

Bruins29 said:
Are you around him 24/7? Actually have you even spent 1 minute with the guy? How do you know what he is like? How do you know if he hallucinating or what went though his head or goes though it?

You are unbelievable.

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joepatsfan · Jun 26, 2014

Spikes was a Hern friend too down there in FL

ausbacker · Jun 26, 2014

Did I miss somewhere where Aaron Hernandez was found guilty of murder? What we believe is inconsequential. It has not been proven that he committed any crime in a court of law. That day may come but it's amazing how society promotes the idea of innocent until proven guilty yet regularly fails to apply that concept.

If Faulk wants to believe/hope he didn't do it, it isn't our position to deride him for that belief before the fact.

RecoveringCowboy · Jun 26, 2014

If his Dad had not died or he got help to keep him from going over the edge...

...but for the rest of us, we'd be arrested, convicted, locked up for life with a lot less said - a lot less sympathy.

Yes, this is tragic, but we get a limited number of chances, and Aaron Hernandez has blown them, even with resources we would not have in his situation.

And yes, I'm assuming he is guilty of at least one of those three murders...let him get a fair trial, but his chances of acquittal are not very good, are they?

dales804 · Jul 21, 2014

I was able to finally watch this last night. My biggest take away is how impressed I was with Odin Lloyd's friends, Daryl Sweet and Darryl Hodge. Especially Hodge, who I thought came across quite well. What a sad story this all is.

RayClay · Jul 21, 2014

BradyManny · Jul 21, 2014

dales804 said:
He also said anybody could do those things if they're pushed far enough.

Getting a drink spilled on you != "pushed far enough" to shoot up a car.

Asinine comments by Faulk, stupidity motivated by loyalty. Still, seems like his comments a non-story to me.

varjao · Jul 21, 2014

link?

Ivan · Jul 21, 2014

ausbacker said:
Did I miss somewhere where Aaron Hernandez was found guilty of murder? What we believe is inconsequential. It has not been proven that he committed any crime in a court of law. That day may come but it's amazing how society promotes the idea of innocent until proven guilty yet regularly fails to apply that concept.

If Faulk wants to believe/hope he didn't do it, it isn't our position to deride him for that belief before the fact.

I get what you are saying but this is an unusual case, and while i started out hoping it was people he had connections to who had committed the murder after watching the initial hearing it was impossible not to come away with the idea that he at a minimum conspired to have Lloyd murdered. Whether ir not he pulled the trigger is unknown to this point but it was incredibly clear from that hearing that Hernandez was the one who called up his co-conspirators to come to town and help him with the situation and that Hernandez was the one who got Lloyd to come out with them that night. Even the most innocent take on this ends up with Hernandez setting the murder up, and I have yet to figure out a way in which he was innocent in every regard.

chasa · Jul 21, 2014

ausbacker said:
Did I miss somewhere where Aaron Hernandez was found guilty of murder? What we believe is inconsequential. It has not been proven that he committed any crime in a court of law. That day may come but it's amazing how society promotes the idea of innocent until proven guilty yet regularly fails to apply that concept.

If Faulk wants to believe/hope he didn't do it, it isn't our position to deride him for that belief before the fact.

you're right, all we have right now is a lot of video of him holding a gun of the caliber used in teh murder, video of his finance carrying a bag with items that are apparently the lock box that hernandez put the gun in, and disposing of it, before lying to police about what was in the bags, i mean we have all done that right, throw giant bags full of stuff away without knowing any of the contents a couple of days after the person we are engaged to gets arrested for murder.

Also that car that was used in a double homicide that was found on hernandez's uncles property covered in dust? just a coincidence.

Oh and all of those illegal guns that they DID find, just bad luck.

Hernandez is going to jail for at least the gun charges(20 years) his finance will be luckly if she gets under 10 years.

ausbacker · Jul 21, 2014

Ivan said:
I get what you are saying but this is an unusual case, and while i started out hoping it was people he had connections to who had committed the murder after watching the initial hearing it was impossible not to come away with the idea that he at a minimum conspired to have Lloyd murdered. Whether ir not he pulled the trigger is unknown to this point but it was incredibly clear from that hearing that Hernandez was the one who called up his co-conspirators to come to town and help him with the situation and that Hernandez was the one who got Lloyd to come out with them that night. Even the most innocent take on this ends up with Hernandez setting the murder up, and I have yet to figure out a way in which he was innocent in every regard.

I have my reservations and suspicions I simply don't believe in calling the race before the horse has bolted.

chasa said:
you're right, all we have right now is a lot of video of him holding a gun of the caliber used in teh murder, video of his finance carrying a bag with items that are apparently the lock box that hernandez put the gun in, and disposing of it, before lying to police about what was in the bags, i mean we have all done that right, throw giant bags full of stuff away without knowing any of the contents a couple of days after the person we are engaged to gets arrested for murder.

Also that car that was used in a double homicide that was found on hernandez's uncles property covered in dust? just a coincidence.

Oh and all of those illegal guns that they DID find, just bad luck.

Hernandez is going to jail for at least the gun charges(20 years) his finance will be luckly if she gets under 10 years.

Yet interestingly, no footage of the murder. Your opinion is a stark demonstration of what is wrong with society today. Hernandez hasn't had his day in court but you've already put the noose around his neck.

Ring 6 · Jul 22, 2014

ausbacker said:
Did I miss somewhere where Aaron Hernandez was found guilty of murder? What we believe is inconsequential. It has not been proven that he committed any crime in a court of law. That day may come but it's amazing how society promotes the idea of innocent until proven guilty yet regularly fails to apply that concept.

If Faulk wants to believe/hope he didn't do it, it isn't our position to deride him for that belief before the fact.

Innocent until proven guilty regards your rights vs the state prosecuting you not peoples opinions.
Being found guilty or not guilty is not the determination of whether you committed the offense but of whether there is sufficient evidence beyond the shadow of a doubt.
Convictions are not proof you did it and acquittals are not proof you didn't.

Ring 6 · Jul 22, 2014

ausbacker said:
I have my reservations and suspicions I simply don't believe in calling the race before the horse has bolted.

Yet interestingly, no footage of the murder. Your opinion is a stark demonstration of what is wrong with society today. Hernandez hasn't had his day in court but you've already put the noose around his neck.

Why is having an opinion based on the facts that are available what is wrong with society.
Note that society is not allowing the poster to put a noise around the killers neck but allowing him to think for himself. The killers rights will be fully executed before he is. He is innocent until proven guilty in the legal system and no opinion stated on an internet message board will impact that.

PatsWickedPissah · Jul 22, 2014

Why is this so difficult to understand? Message board opinions based on what the public "knows" and the Constitutionally guaranteed right to a presumption of innocence until the government convinces a jury of his peers that he is guilty as charged beyond a reasonable doubt are two different things. This is a discussion and opinion board where all we know comes to us from media reports. Of course we draw conclusions and have opinions. Otherwise there'd be nothing here other than links to media articles.

patriot1136 · Jul 22, 2014

I feel out of the loop big time. I didn't know about his pcp problem. That could explain a lot of it I would think. He must have been doing heavy drugs for a while though considering his issues at Florida.
And for us out of staters, I guess Shawmut Ave is in a bad part of town?

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