Belichick, Kraft were interviewed in Hernandez probe

Well, Borges was on Sports Tonight, and he went to town and threw up every possible negative slant he could carve out of this thing. "33 pages of texts! That's a lot of texts!" "BB is going to be under oath now! He won't be able to lie anymore!!'

I hate journalists. I particularly hate 'sports journalists'. And there is a separate ring in hell for most of the Boston sports media.

rochrist said:

Well, Borges was on Sports Tonight, and he went to town and threw up every possible negative slant he could carve out of this thing. "33 pages of texts! That's a lot of texts!" "BB is going to be under oath now! He won't be able to lie anymore!!'

I hate journalists. I particularly hate 'sports journalists'. And there is a separate ring in hell for most of the Boston sports media.

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Here are several things that I am considering in regards to the whole "text" situation:

1. Someone mentioned the possibility that each "exchange" could be represented by a page, therefore over the course of almost 4 months (approx. 16 weeks), it isn't out of the question that ONE text could have been from Belichick once a week, with a responding text back from Hernandez (or vice versa).

If that were the case, there would be about 16 texts (one per week) from each party, back and forth. That would put the situation in a much clearer context, and make a lot of sense.

2. How many of these "33 pages of texts" were to multiple parties, such as the entire TE personnel, all offensive players, all injured players, or possibly even the entire team? That certainly matters a great deal.

3. Considering the fact that the texts stopped a month in advance of the Odin Llyod murder, what the hell does Ron Borges think may have been on there?

The murder hadn't even occurred yet, so unless it happened to be personal things in nature from Hernandez seeking advice, etc (which would have occurred almost a full year after the 7/12 extension anyway--proving absolutely nothing about his "character concerns") what does it really matter anyway?

Even in a worst case scenario, Hernandez and Belichick talked a little about some of Hernandez's problems in the spring of 2013. It really doesn't put the Patriots in a negative light due to the fact that the contract extension had long been signed already, and it's impossible that anything could have been said about a crime that wouldn't even be committed for another month down the road.

rochrist said:

Well, Borges was on Sports Tonight, and he went to town and threw up every possible negative slant he could carve out of this thing. "33 pages of texts! That's a lot of texts!" "BB is going to be under oath now! He won't be able to lie anymore!!'

I hate journalists. I particularly hate 'sports journalists'. And there is a separate ring in hell for most of the Boston sports media.

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Ron Borges is the Cal Ripken of WRONG. He has has been WRONG as long as Belichick and Brady have been in NE. If he says Belichick lied then Belichick was on his alter boy best behavior. I know he's hoping Belichick ordered the hits but the money trail really leads to Kraft. I doubt Belichick was stupid enough to leave a text trail of his orders to Hernandez to take them out.

supafly said:

Here are several things that I am considering in regards to the whole "text" situation:

1. Someone mentioned the possibility that each "exchange" could be represented by a page, therefore over the course of almost 4 months (approx. 16 weeks), it isn't out of the question that ONE text could have been from Belichick once a week, with a responding text back from Hernandez (or vice versa).

If that were the case, there would be about 16 texts (one per week) from each party, back and forth. That would put the situation in a much clearer context, and make a lot of sense.

2. How many of these "33 pages of texts" were to multiple parties, such as the entire TE personnel, all offensive players, all injured players, or possibly even the entire team? That certainly matters a great deal.

3. Considering the fact that the texts stopped a month in advance of the Odin Llyod murder, what the hell does Ron Borges think may have been on there?

The murder hadn't even occurred yet, so unless it happened to be personal things in nature from Hernandez seeking advice, etc (which would have occurred almost a full year after the 7/12 extension anyway--proving absolutely nothing about his "character concerns") what does it really matter anyway?

Even in a worst case scenario, Hernandez and Belichick talked a little about some of Hernandez's problems in the spring of 2013. It really doesn't put the Patriots in a negative light due to the fact that the contract extension had long been signed already, and it's impossible that anything could have been said about a crime that wouldn't even be committed for another month down the road.

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I am fine with Borges taking the Belichick is complicit tact, i just wish he would stake his position as HOF voter for NE on it. Time to man up Ronnie, put your title where your hard-on is.

supafly said:

Here are several things that I am considering in regards to the whole "text" situation:

1. Someone mentioned the possibility that each "exchange" could be represented by a page, therefore over the course of almost 4 months (approx. 16 weeks), it isn't out of the question that ONE text could have been from Belichick once a week, with a responding text back from Hernandez (or vice versa).

If that were the case, there would be about 16 texts (one per week) from each party, back and forth. That would put the situation in a much clearer context, and make a lot of sense.

2. How many of these "33 pages of texts" were to multiple parties, such as the entire TE personnel, all offensive players, all injured players, or possibly even the entire team? That certainly matters a great deal.

3. Considering the fact that the texts stopped a month in advance of the Odin Llyod murder, what the hell does Ron Borges think may have been on there?

The murder hadn't even occurred yet, so unless it happened to be personal things in nature from Hernandez seeking advice, etc (which would have occurred almost a full year after the 7/12 extension anyway--proving absolutely nothing about his "character concerns") what does it really matter anyway?

Even in a worst case scenario, Hernandez and Belichick talked a little about some of Hernandez's problems in the spring of 2013. It really doesn't put the Patriots in a negative light due to the fact that the contract extension had long been signed already, and it's impossible that anything could have been said about a crime that wouldn't even be committed for another month down the road.

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No no! Don't you know that BB TOLD HIM TO GET A FLOPHOUSE!!!

That was covered tonight too.

rochrist said:

No no! Don't you know that BB TOLD HIM TO GET A FLOPHOUSE!!!

That was covered tonight too.

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As we know, Hernandez's main objective should have been to handle whatever problems were occurring in his life so that he could fulfill his contract, and his obligation to his employer. If Belichick seriously told him to find an outside pad to bring other chicks home to, or even stay at when he and his fiancee were fighting, then at least he attempted to give reasonable advice to someone who obviously wanted the option of being with other women.

Something tells me that Hernandez wouldn't have taken the advice of "seek out a religion-based counseling center" very well, but that's just my opinion. For a guy who made it just fine through "Cameragate," I highly doubt that he's all too worried about what the public or media may/may not think about any advice given to a player about their personal life.

If a player came to me and stated that they wanted to continue to sleep around and live a lifestyle of freedom, I'd have probably suggested the same--that he get another place to stay during the times he chose to do that. Sometimes trying to convince someone to change their moral beliefs is completely pointless, as they are going to do what they want to do no matter what. It's like telling people who engage in prostitution to wear a condom, or someone who engages in drug activity to use clean needles. No one sees anything wrong with that kind of advice, so I'm not sure how any of us are equipped to judge anyone else--sportswriters included.

The only villain here is Aaron Hernandez. Everything else is just a witch hunt in an attempt to see if every "I" was dotted and every "T" crossed by one of the most well-known (and often hated) coaches in the world. The reality is that Belichick doesn't have to worry about crossing every "T" and dotting every "I." His city, owner, and fanbase have his back 100%, not to mention the fact that most of us couldn't care less what advice he did/didn't give Aaron Hernandez.

Considering the fact that I haven't heard one peep about Belichick suggesting to Hernandez to get another apartment since last June 2013, I am taking any rumors with a grain of salt. If there is any truth to it, every sportswriter in the country will begin to write stories about it. Since it's been over a year and that hasn't happened yet, I'm not going to pay any attention to it myself.

rochrist said:

Well, Borges was on Sports Tonight, and he went to town and threw up every possible negative slant he could carve out of this thing. "33 pages of texts! That's a lot of texts!" "BB is going to be under oath now! He won't be able to lie anymore!!'

I hate journalists. I particularly hate 'sports journalists'. And there is a separate ring in hell for most of the Boston sports media.

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If that day comes where they call BB to testify, you know a lot of the scumbag media around here is going to have a field day. They thought they had BB last year, then he came out with that press conference a couple of days before camp. Remember how the whole region was shocked? It was the first time BB was so open about something publicly.

rochrist said:

Well, Borges was on Sports Tonight, and he went to town and threw up every possible negative slant he could carve out of this thing. "33 pages of texts! That's a lot of texts!" "BB is going to be under oath now! He won't be able to lie anymore!!'

I hate journalists. I particularly hate 'sports journalists'. And there is a separate ring in hell for most of the Boston sports media.

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Everytime you give this azzhole cred a little girls puppy dies... for such a revered sports writer he has completely lost it with his "Belichick Obsession"... there is no indication that BB will be called to testify at this time, but he is wishing and hoping that he will testify to something or anything....

supafly said:

Even in a worst case scenario, Hernandez and Belichick talked a little about some of Hernandez's problems in the spring of 2013. It really doesn't put the Patriots in a negative light due to the fact that the contract extension had long been signed already, and it's impossible that anything could have been said about a crime that wouldn't even be committed for another month down the road.

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It's a good post, but honestly you don't even have to justify this stuff. The only person who ever tried to make some silly connection between BB and AHern's behavior is Borges. The notion that Belichick had any awareness of Hernandez' criminal activities and in any way counseled him falls into the category of "not even wrong."

The only matter of which Bill (& Kraft) are guilty is extending the Prisoner's contract at least a full
year before they should have even thought about doing so. Made little sense then and - obviously -
makes zero sense now.

captain stone said:

The only matter of which Bill (& Kraft) are guilty is extending the Prisoner's contract at least a full
year before they should have even thought about doing so. Made little sense then and - obviously -
makes zero sense now.

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If only you ran the Patriots, then they wouldn't suck.

Florio starts his predictable diatribe about this, BB has to be guilty of something.. anything!!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ay-want-to-look-at-belichick-hernandez-texts/

Setting aside for now the idea that a guy who seemingly avoids interpersonal communication whenever and wherever possible somehow generated 33 pages of text messages with one person over a four-month period, the content of those exchanges between Patriots coach Bill Belichick and former Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez from February through May of 2013 could be of interest to the league office for competitive reasons.

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Florio, Borges, agenda "journalism" at its finest!

(Skip to the 2m50s mark)

If we ever get to read the tweets maybe we'll find out just how pissed BB was at Lloyd.

DarrylS said:

Florio starts his predictable diatribe about this, BB has to be guilty of something.. anything!!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ay-want-to-look-at-belichick-hernandez-texts/

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I'm not clicking on the link as I don't wish to read PFT anymore but what does "competitive reasons" mean? So funny how just because BB doesn't talk to the media, they all think that's who he is all the time. Forget that many players have said that the biggest misconception about him is that he's so impersonal and distant but rather helpful and funny. I believe Revis was the latest to say as much.

As others have said, this is a witch hunt to make the media here feel better about themselves for the little help BB has provided them with to do their jobs.

DarrylS said:

Florio starts his predictable diatribe about this, BB has to be guilty of something.. anything!!!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ay-want-to-look-at-belichick-hernandez-texts/

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As usual, Florio adds 2 + 2 and comes up with 11. The post is nothing more than sensationalist speculation and innuendo. What is posted here is cynical and irresponsible although it does give his legions of demented commenters more raw meat to gnaw on.

I do think that Mental Midget Mike has a fine career ahead writing fiction because creative writing appears to be his forte. He is no journalist and must have been a lousy lawyer though because he lacks the critical ability to discern what is factually provable versus what is outright speculation.

dales804 said:

I'm not clicking on the link as I don't wish to read PFT anymore but what does "competitive reasons" mean? So funny how just because BB doesn't talk to the media, they all think that's who he is all the time. Forget that many players have said that the biggest misconception about him is that he's so impersonal and distant but rather helpful and funny. I believe Revis was the latest to say as much.

As others have said, this is a witch hunt to make the media here feel better about themselves for the little help BB has provided them with to do their jobs.

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Under the current CBA, there are limits to player-coach interactions during the offseason. A coach can't meet with a player or group of players and put them through a work out or work on their technique during certain periods when it's not football season. I guess Florio's angle is that the texts could have been coaching/strategy discussions or something else football related between Belichick and Hernandez and, thus, forbidden by the rules. We don't know what was in the texts and we don't know if texting is covered by the CBA guidelines, but that won't stop Florio from assuming the worst.

A month or two ago, there was a story that Manning and his OC met with Nick Saban. Florio had an article about how that was a violation because coaches and players couldn't meet. I think Saban released a statement that basically said "I never said I met with them together" and nothing came of the story.

Lastly, I like your point that some media members don't seem to get that Belichick "seemingly avoids interpersonal communication whenever and wherever possible" when dealing with them, but not everyone else.

Koma said:

Under the current CBA, there are limits to player-coach interactions during the offseason. A coach can't meet with a player or group of players and put them through a work out or work on their technique during certain periods when it's not football season. I guess Florio's angle is that the texts could have been coaching/strategy discussions or something else football related between Belichick and Hernandez and, thus, forbidden by the rules. We don't know what was in the texts and we don't know if texting is covered by the CBA guidelines, but that won't stop Florio from assuming the worst.

A month or two ago, there was a story that Manning and his OC met with Nick Saban. Florio had an article about how that was a violation because coaches and players couldn't meet. I think Saban released a statement that basically said "I never said I met with them together" and nothing came of the story.

Lastly, I like your point that some media members don't seem to get that Belichick "seemingly avoids interpersonal communication whenever and wherever possible" when dealing with them, but not everyone else.

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Heh. That would explain the 33 pages. Coaching/strategy discussions carried out 140 characters at a time.