Should the Pats Attempt to Sign Jimmy Graham to an Offer Sheet?

OhExaulted1 said:

He's 6-7 and 260+ lbs. Go up to his face and tell him he's a p***y who can't block. I dare you.

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Double dog dare me and i will do it

Ivan said:

Nope. Tempting as that would be I think locking Revis and McCourty up should be the priority and using the firsts to finish rebuilding the DL over the next couple of years will hopefully leave them with a top 5 scoring defense for the remainder of Brady's career. I understand the desire to have that high powered two TE offense but I think a great defense is their best route to another Lombardi, and not an other 35+ points a game offense.

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I voted "no", but it wasn't a no-brainer for me. I'd think of it this way:

1. Could the Pats structure an offer sheet to Graham that the Saints wouldn't be able to match (or which would make the Saints choose not to match), but which would fit into their current cap situation?

2. Could the Pats do this without breaking their current team cap situation?

3. Could the Pats do #1 and #2 without adversely impacting their ability to extend key players currently on the roster (especially Revis and McCourty)?

I agree that the best route to another Lombardi is via a great defense (I'm certainly a "defense first" guy), but if the Pats could somehow find a way to achieve all 3 of the above, it would merit serious consideration. It's probably not feasible to achieve 1-3 above, but it's tempting, as you say.

Sciz said:

Let me say that again.

"There are players that are worth the top contract at their position, and there are players that are worth two first round picks. Outside of a true franchise QB, I don't think there are any players worth both."

JJ Watt does not have the top contract at his position. If we're looking forward to a year or two from now and the Pats had the ability to give up two firsts in order to sign Watt to an $18M a year contract, then no, I wouldn't do that. If you want to call me crazy for that, then feel free, but your previous post is completely misrepresenting my stance here.

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I didn't misrepresent your stance in the slightest. I pointed to a player who'd been mentioned, and I compared him to some of the double picks that have been made in recent seasons. Since this is a thread where the player in question will be getting franchise tag money at his position, the money aspect is pretty clear.

You pay for game changers (I'm not saying Graham is one, just noting what I think should be obvious). Belichick just demonstrated that by breaking his usual slotting system in order to get Revis.

Yes of course, but we can't afford him

Would I like seeing a Gronk/Graham TE combo? Hell yes, but not for 2 first round picks.....

mayoclinic said:

I voted "no", but it wasn't a no-brainer for me. I'd think of it this way:

1. Could the Pats structure an offer sheet to Graham that the Saints wouldn't be able to match (or which would make the Saints choose not to match), but which would fit into their current cap situation?

2. Could the Pats do this without breaking their current team cap situation?

3. Could the Pats do #1 and #2 without adversely impacting their ability to extend key players currently on the roster (especially Revis and McCourty)?

I agree that the best route to another Lombardi is via a great defense (I'm certainly a "defense first" guy), but if the Pats could somehow find a way to achieve all 3 of the above, it would merit serious consideration. It's probably not feasible to achieve 1-3 above, but it's tempting, as you say.

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If we were talking about another AFC team I could see BB et al trying to screw with the team's capspace by handing out an offer sheet that the Saints essentially still can match but would hurt them.

But since they are a NFC team that we just played last year, I am not sure if it is worth it.

SalemPats said:

Yes of course, but we can't afford him

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Bullsh*t. F*ck the money. Find a way. We couldn't ever land Revis, right? Get him. July 15. Graham is coming to Foxboro. The eff-you NFL! tour is right on schedule. Do it Bill.

mayoclinic said:

I voted "no", but it wasn't a no-brainer for me. I'd think of it this way:

1. Could the Pats structure an offer sheet to Graham that the Saints wouldn't be able to match (or which would make the Saints choose not to match), but which would fit into their current cap situation?

2. Could the Pats do this without breaking their current team cap situation?

3. Could the Pats do #1 and #2 without adversely impacting their ability to extend key players currently on the roster (especially Revis and McCourty)?

I agree that the best route to another Lombardi is via a great defense (I'm certainly a "defense first" guy), but if the Pats could somehow find a way to achieve all 3 of the above, it would merit serious consideration. It's probably not feasible to achieve 1-3 above, but it's tempting, as you say.

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God d%#*!@t. I said I wouldn't do that and know I've done it twice. If you throw out a RED X "disagree' then explain yourself.

That being said our D is looking awesome. Add a 6-7 leaper red-zone threat to our offense? Are you kidding. Eff the money. The sociopathic murderer is off the books for 7.5 next year plus the 10 mil extra space. Get this guy! What are we gonna miss out on? The next Garrapolo?

SB39 said:

Belichick would stab his momma in the back if he thought it would help the Patriots. He had no problem screwing Coughlin with that tight end that the Giants tried to disable a couple years ago.

Of all the reasons I don't see the Patriots doing this, hurting Payton's feelings is not one of them.

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He's been stabbed in the back as well. Who was the kid Childress from the Vikes stole? I forget, but Bill was pissed. Screwing Coughlin for a TE who never even played? You're not even on the right page. Get with the program.

OhExaulted1 said:

He's been stabbed in the back as well. Who was the kid Childress from the Vikes stole? I forget, but Bill was pissed. Screwing Coughlin for a TE who never even played? You're not even on the right page. Get with the program.

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That would be Garrett Mills. That it was Childress who did the swiping only added to the enmity BB felt for him.

ctpatsfan77 said:

That would be Garrett Mills. That it was Childress who did the swiping only added to the enmity BB felt for him.

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Mills. BB was ********. Piss him off and you go from HC of the Vikings to "Senior Offensive Assistant" with the Cheifs. Our boy will bury you if you eff with him. BB is the top dog gangsta in the NFL. Make no mistake about it.

OhExaulted1 said:

Mills. BB was ********. Piss him off and you go from HC of the Vikings to "Senior Offensive Assistant" with the Cheifs. Our boy will bury you if you eff with him. BB is the top dog gangsta in the NFL. Make no mistake about it.

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I wish I knew what the heck you were talking about here. IIRC, the Patriots cut him outright and the Vikes picked him up as a UFA. Not sure exactly how that is effing with Belichick.

BTW, Childress got fired because he was a horrible coach, not because of any personal vendetta with Bill Belichick. Do you think Zygi Wolf was taking orders from the HC of the NEP or something like that?

Nope, too expensive. I think locking up DMC, Revis, and soon Chandler long term should be our priorities, then we can see how much we can spend on passing weapons.

Go ahead. Piss him off. You're career is over.

SB39 said:

I wish I knew what the heck you were talking about here. IIRC, the Patriots cut him outright and the Vikes picked him up as a UFA. Not sure exactly how that is effing with Belichick.

BTW, Childress got fired because he was a horrible coach, not because of any personal vendetta with Bill Belichick. Do you think Zygi Wolf was taking orders from the HC of the NEP or something like that?

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You make me laugh. Clueless.

SB39 said:

I wish I knew what the heck you were talking about here. IIRC, the Patriots cut him outright and the Vikes picked him up as a UFA. Not sure exactly how that is effing with Belichick.

BTW, Childress got fired because he was a horrible coach, not because of any personal vendetta with Bill Belichick. Do you think Zygi Wolf was taking orders from the HC of the NEP or something like that?

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(1) The Vikings claimed him off waivers; the Patriots supposedly wanted to put him on the PS.
(2) Childress wasn't directly fired because of Belichick, but Belichick sowed the seeds of Childress's demise when he traded Randy Moss to the Vikings.

SB39 said:

I wish I knew what the heck you were talking about here. IIRC, the Patriots cut him outright and the Vikes picked him up as a UFA. Not sure exactly how that is effing with Belichick.

BTW, Childress got fired because he was a horrible coach, not because of any personal vendetta with Bill Belichick. Do you think Zygi Wolf was taking orders from the HC of the NEP or something like that?

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Yeah, I think he was confusing the whole Mills/waiver wire thing with the Percy Harvin pick, maybe? After picking Harvin, Childress explained that he had to pick him where he did because if he hadn't Belichick would've got him.

OhExaulted1 said:

Bullsh*t. F*ck the money. Find a way. We couldn't ever land Revis, right? Get him. July 15. Graham is coming to Foxboro. The eff-you NFL! tour is right on schedule. Do it Bill.

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What has this team ever said F the $$ or how often has Bill said F the $$

OhExaulted1 said:

You make me laugh. Clueless.

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Then please, tell us what control Belichick has over the VIkings organization. Does Zygi Wulf take his marching orders from Foxboro?

Seriously, please elaborate on how Belichick got back at Childress. Otherwise you're just full of **** and everyone knows it.

mayoclinic said:

I voted "no", but it wasn't a no-brainer for me. I'd think of it this way:

1. Could the Pats structure an offer sheet to Graham that the Saints wouldn't be able to match (or which would make the Saints choose not to match), but which would fit into their current cap situation?

2. Could the Pats do this without breaking their current team cap situation?

3. Could the Pats do #1 and #2 without adversely impacting their ability to extend key players currently on the roster (especially Revis and McCourty)?

I agree that the best route to another Lombardi is via a great defense (I'm certainly a "defense first" guy), but if the Pats could somehow find a way to achieve all 3 of the above, it would merit serious consideration. It's probably not feasible to achieve 1-3 above, but it's tempting, as you say.

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Undid the "Disagree". No red X.

1. The Saints are up against a wall.
2. Psycho's money comes off the books next year, plus another 10+ in space
3. Shuffling money is not impossible or rigid. Keep Revis and sign Graham to an offer sheet? The question isn't can we, it's why shouldn't we. 2 #32's and a Gronk-type contract. Go get him.