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I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been mentioned. People mentioned how small countries (i.e. Italy, Montenegro, etc) have such great soccer teams compared to the US. Well, our best athletes don't play soccer. Maybe they will in the future, but the best athletes growing up eventually get shuttled into the other popular american sports, i.e. football, basketball. That being said, imagine if the best athletes played soccer strictly and then the US fielded a team. We would DWARF any other country EASILY! It wouldn't even be fair....................

The thing is, it was covered earlier in the thread. Most of them are extreme lightweights. They couldn't make it in the other US sports IMO. They are gazelles. Built for soccer. Beasley is 5-6, 137 lbs. Most of them appear to be under 165lbs. This link is all I can find, so you have to open each one for their height/weights.
http://www.espnfc.us/team/united-states/660/squad
 
The thing is, it was covered earlier in the thread. Most of them are extreme lightweights. They couldn't make it in the other US sports IMO. They are gazelles. Built for soccer. Beasley is 5-6, 137 lbs. Most of them appear to be under 165lbs. This link is all I can find, so you have to open each one for their height/weights.
http://www.espnfc.us/team/united-states/660/squad

Welker used to be a really good soccer player before his parents let him take up football.
 
Is it just me, or are soccer fans hyper-annoying? I mean I'm not a hockey fan but wish them well and Hockey fans do try to convince me how great hockey is. I can say that of any sport. Even "sport" of WWE or Winter Olympic stuff like luge.
Why oh why do soccer fans care a whit about my non-interest?
It's because when the thread was started it was over run by people talking down the sport. I don't think you were one. When a Red Sox or Bruins thread is started here I go to Thread Tools ==> Ignore Thread and that's the end, I don't rain on their parade.
 
Welker used to be a really good soccer player before his parents let him take up football.

As I recall, Randy and Chad O were also very committed soccer players -- but I don't know how good they were.
 
Soccer players have (I would guess) got, on average, something like 5-10 lbs lighter in the last 20 years. They're now covering from 6-8 miles in a game and making a lot of short bursts at sprint speed. Add to that the need for extreme agility and the lower-body strength to change direction fast and the modern soccer player is an incredible athlete -- in a very different way from the athletes of the NFL or NBA.
 
Soccer players have (I would guess) got, on average, something like 5-10 lbs lighter in the last 20 years. They're now covering from 6-8 miles in a game and making a lot of short bursts at sprint speed. Add to that the need for extreme agility and the lower-body strength to change direction fast and the modern soccer player is an incredible athlete -- in a very different way from the athletes of the NFL or NBA.

Exactly. (It was my first viewed soccer match.) I don't know the rules, but it certainly looks like there are not many player substitutions. Welker would be like an overbuilt tank out there and he'd never keep up after 5 minutes.
 
I have played on both sports, in somewhat high level here in Brazil (I was part of youth school of soccer and, later, part of Football team.)

Let me tell you, both sports are way different, in the sense of preparation and practice. In Soccer, you have to mantain a high level of stamine throughout the entire game. In Football, however, we need a high burst of explosion for about 2 - 10 second, and then cooldown. So, there's no way a football player would be able to keep up 90 minutes of soccer, he wouldn't have a single idea of how to keep on a good pace.
 
Exactly. (It was my first viewed soccer match.) I don't know the rules, but it certainly looks like there are not many player substitutions. Welker would be like an overbuilt tank out there and he'd never keep up after 5 minutes.

To do it seriously, he'd have had to train differently, but I've no doubt he could have been a very useful player (can still remember him kicking a FG for Miami against the Pats!)

The rule, by the way, is that each team can make up to three substitutions, but it's a one-way deal -- once you're out you can't sub back in.
 
Of course a skill position football player could play soccer. As Mike pointed out, someone like Welker would obviously train differently, and probably shed a lot of weight in the process. Train for the marathon rather than the sprint.

Likewise, obviously many of the soccer players have the athletic ability to be skill position football players. They would have to stop rolling around on the ground every time someone hits them, of course.

I may dislike soccer, but I enjoyed the US/Ghana game today. Very few theatrics. Good intensity.
 
Thank God we had all the guys who couldn't hack it playing football, basketball, baseball, or lacrosse beating Ghana today.

Seriously, though. Jones played out of his mind and Bradley really needs to pick his game up. Great win otherwise (minus Altidore).
 
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They certainly seem to lack much offensive firepower without Altidore in there. It didn't look to my untrained eyes as if that Johanson kid was up to the task.
 
Portugal will choke the 2 seed in group play, allowing the US the opportunity to advance.
 
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Soccer players have (I would guess) got, on average, something like 5-10 lbs lighter in the last 20 years. They're now covering from 6-8 miles in a game and making a lot of short bursts at sprint speed. Add to that the need for extreme agility and the lower-body strength to change direction fast and the modern soccer player is an incredible athlete -- in a very different way from the athletes of the NFL or NBA.
They're also one of the few sports around the world with cross-sport ability in diving. :p
 
American soccer fans DO have an insecurity complex.

It dates back to when there weren't very many of us, so if we wanted to watch games on a regular basis, we needed to convince other people to become fans.

We're well beyond that point, so on behalf of millions of US Soccer fans, I can safely say that I don't give a crap if you watch one second of soccer in your life. I don't think you quite realize what you're missing, but to each their own.
 
I haven't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been mentioned. People mentioned how small countries (i.e. Italy, Montenegro, etc) have such great soccer teams compared to the US. Well, our best athletes don't play soccer. Maybe they will in the future, but the best athletes growing up eventually get shuttled into the other popular american sports, i.e. football, basketball. That being said, imagine if the best athletes played soccer strictly and then the US fielded a team. We would DWARF any other country EASILY! It wouldn't even be fair.
It would be like how we are in women's soccer. I can't agree we would dwarf everyone else "easily" but we would be legit global competitors and win the occasional World Cup.
 
There's very little comparison between American sport and soccer players.

I played soccer throughout my childhood here in the UK until I turned 16 and dropped it for American Football. I used to run around a pitch for 90 minutes with absolute ease. When I was 18/19 I started to play just five-a-side soccer and the occasional 11-a-side game for my friend's team...I was lucky to last a half.

Training for the two sports is nothing in comparison.

If the USA want to legitimately contend for a World Cup and be one of the globe's power houses, then they need to start training their players to be soccer players and condition them to be as much.
I'm not sure how you go about it...I'd be interested to hear people's ideas as to how you could the system to start taking soccer more seriously as opposed to neglecting it and poaching the best kids for Football and other American sports.
 
I was watching a couple of the games at the gym and their is too much diving. I don't understand why they can't suspend/fine players for faking/diving. It really ruins the game for me.

As a former soccer player myself, I have to agree. You can get a card for diving, but embellishment is called 100 times as much in hockey. The fact of the matter is that it's hard to tell who is diving given the size of the soccer pitch. I'd like to see a system where cards are awarded after the game for blatant faking as indicated by instant replay (holding ones face when a foot came close). If a player accumulates 2 to 3 cards, they miss a game. That would at least cut back on the theatrics, even if players continued to fall more easily than they should.
 
I may not care about the MNT like I do the Pats, but even without a strong rooting interest, this is just about my favorite sporting event of the year. The national pride and craziness of the fans can't be beat in any event. For all the pageantry of the Olympics, nobody cares half as much. When I lived in Boston in the 1990s, I would travel around the city to various pubs to watch games with expats who were berzerk for their team. I followed the Italian World Cup from the old North End cafes in 1990, where 70-year-old, 1st generation stogie-smoking Italian Americans held court. In 1998, I spent days going on a series of pub crawls/pedals, where we'd catch a game in an Irish or English pub, an Italian restaurant, and a Maverick square bar (although we took the Blue Line for that one), where younger, drunken expats would exclaim for every touch. In 2002, I'd go to bed early, just so I could wake-up at 2am to catch a key game played in Japan with the Mexican or Brazilian fans who lived in the apartment complex behind my house. (The US defeat of Mexico in the round of 16 was a high point, and I did my best to be a gracious winner, despite my face-splitting smile.) It's a month-long, international sporting party in the dead part of the American sports calendar. What could be better?
 
I may not care about the MNT like I do the Pats, but even without a strong rooting interest, this is just about my favorite sporting event of the year. The national pride and craziness of the fans can't be beat in any event. For all the pageantry of the Olympics, nobody cares half as much. When I lived in Boston in the 1990s, I would travel around the city to various pubs to watch games with expats who were berzerk for their team. I followed the Italian World Cup from the old North End cafes in 1990, where 70-year-old, 1st generation stogie-smoking Italian Americans held court. In 1998, I spent days going on a series of pub crawls/pedals, where we'd catch a game in an Irish or English pub, an Italian restaurant, and a Maverick square bar (although we took the Blue Line for that one), where younger, drunken expats would exclaim for every touch. In 2002, I'd go to bed early, just so I could wake-up at 2am to catch a key game played in Japan with the Mexican or Brazilian fans who lived in the apartment complex behind my house. (The US defeat of Mexico in the round of 16 was a high point, and I did my best to be a gracious winner, despite my face-splitting smile.) It's a month-long, international sporting party in the dead part of the American sports calendar. What could be better?

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This!
 
As a former soccer player myself, I have to agree. You can get a card for diving, but embellishment is called 100 times as much in hockey. The fact of the matter is that it's hard to tell who is diving given the size of the soccer pitch. I'd like to see a system where cards are awarded after the game for blatant faking as indicated by instant replay (holding ones face when a foot came close). If a player accumulates 2 to 3 cards, they miss a game. That would at least cut back on the theatrics, even if players continued to fall more easily than they should.

Look at the replays after the game..and start fining the players like the NBA is trying to do. But then half of the team would be fined becasue someones gets a bump in the left shin and is on the ground crying holding their right leg. It's pathetic. I feel like i am watching the Canadians play
 


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