Devin McCourty contract talks in progress

Bruins29 said:

Also, I guess only big plays against "good teams" count now?

That Mike Wallace, what a bum.

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Yup when you beat good teams you hold trophies up in the air.

PATS68 said:

Would you agree with me based on your own argument that McCourty should be able to make the same plays in the same system?

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Not if quarterbacks are clearly not throwing the ball in his general direction. They didn't need to with Steve Gregory lining up next to him and a gimply Aqib Talib.

What your missing in your break down is where he was on the field and where he ended up making the play on the ball. Double coverage is because he could read and react and make a play.

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McCourty does a fine job of that as well. The problem is that the WR's that caught touchdowns against us either did it against other guys or scrubs like Marquice Cole (think the Anquan Boldin bicep flex in the end zone at Gillette) where McCourty had to come over from the other side of the field to try to stop the big play.

Would you agree that the last 2 SB winners had outstanding safety play, and do you think McCourty played at that level like the 4 players did?

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Seattle has the best safeties in the NFL by a wide margin. McCourty is lightyears better than either Ed Reed or Bernard Pollard were in 2012.

I like Devin as much as the next guy, but he's not all over the field like Earl Thomas or Rodney was for us back in the day. He's talented, he was a solid corner for us and he can cover spaces with his speed. He's a valuable piece, but i think 8M when we will have to pay guys like Chandler Jones soon maybe overpaying for him.

JMC00 said:

Typical highlight fan. McCourty is faulted because not many balls come his way.

According to him McCourty's never made a game changing or sealing play. I guess he forgot about when McCourty kept the ball in bounds and tipped it to Cole when the score was 20-17 in the Dolphins game. Miami was at the NE 46 driving and it was on 1st and 10.

Pats take over go down the field and score 27-17 and that's the final score of the game.

As you can see if McCourty doesn't make that play Wallace more than likely catches that ball and the Dolphins would have at the very least been at the 16 yard line.

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Was this from that Pats vs Miami AFC Championship game I must've missed????

KontradictioN said:

Not if quarterbacks are clearly not throwing the ball in his general direction. They didn't need to with Steve Gregory lining up next to him and a gimply Aqib Talib.

And Harrison lined up next to who? Eugene Wilson? Would you agree that Harrison played against Payton Manning when he had a much stronger arm than he does now?


McCourty does a fine job of that as well. The problem is that the WR's that caught touchdowns against us either did it against other guys or scrubs like Marquice Cole (think the Anquan Boldin bicep flex in the end zone at Gillette) where McCourty had to come over from the other side of the field to try to stop the big play.

You watched the playoff game vs Colts last year? Luck went over the top twice.



Seattle has the best safeties in the NFL by a wide margin. McCourty is lightyears better than either Ed Reed or Bernard Pollard were in 2012.

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I am talking about the playoffs regular season really doesn't mean much it counts what you do in the playoffs. IE steam rolled the Jets regular season and lost to them in playoffs, what win or lose matters more? When Pollard came off the field at the end of the AFCCG two years ago he was greeted by his coach and he told Pollard he was the reason why they won the game. He destroyed Wes Welker, knocked out Ridley and caused a turnover. Ed Reed had a INT in the SB.

PATS68 said:

And you are who? Are serious with "Do you actually watch football" what we like ten or something? We back in high school or something? Living in the past, No, I can just watch the Ravens from two years ago and the Seahawks from this past year and see the same type of plays. I saw two hits in the playoffs from the safety position that changed the entire game. Pollard on Wes Welker and Chancellor on the Denver WR. Making plays when it counts.

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My mistake. I am sure you "watch" football. But your understanding of some of it is really lacking.

Lets review:

1. You claim DMC is an average safety
2. You are asked to name better ones
3. You cant give any names of better safeties
4. You fall back on "Rodney Harrison said we needed a "better play from the safeties" when in fact what he did say is that they need a "hard hitting safety" which has nothing to do with DMC and his role.
5. You write off any good play from DMC because it was against a bad team.

You dont get it and that is ok, but dont try to come on here and tell people who live for this type of thing and consider it a hobby (posters here) that you know what you are talking about.

Sciz said:

We know what you think about McCourty. You think he has to show up in specific columns of the stat sheet, in specific games, with those plays coming at specific times to be considered a top player at his position. This idea of ranking players based on "game-altering plays" in "big games" makes no sense unless you're trying to create an ESPN Top 10 play list for the postseason. When you're basing your opinion of a player on whether any one of his snaps qualifies as a game-altering play in a big game as opposed to looking as his body of work consisting of thousands of snaps, then your system is broken.

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It's the same argument Pats fans, myself included, always held over Indianapolis and Manning - Brady "used" to always step up in BIG games, playoff games and Manning did not. Brady made the plays, Manning did not. McCourty needs to find a way to make the plays that win his team playoff games and Super Bowls. Through 4 or 5 seasons he has not. Perhaps he can, and I certainly hope he can, but until that time I'm not calling him "elite" or a top 2 or 3 safety in the NFL...

I think people on this thread are missing a HUGE point here. I don't care what McCourty did against Tannerhill, all I care about is what he does vs Luck or a Manning in a AFCCG. To this point has done much of nothing.

PATS68 said:

I am talking about the playoffs regular season really doesn't mean much it counts what you do in the playoffs. IE steam rolled the Jets regular season and lost to them in playoffs, what win or lose matters more? When Pollard came off the field at the end of the AFCCG two years ago he was greeted by his coach and he told Pollard he was the reason why they won the game. He destroyed Wes Welker, knocked out Ridley and caused a turnover. Ed Reed had a INT in the SB.

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So now regular season does not count LOL

This thread is comic gold.

Bruins29 said:

My mistake. I am sure you "watch" football. But your understanding of some of it is really lacking.

Lets review:

1. You claim DMC is an average safety
2. You are asked to name better ones
3. You cant give any names of better safeties
4. You fall back on "Rodney Harrison said we needed a "better play from the safeties" when in fact what he did say is that they need a "hard hitting safety" which has nothing to do with DMC and his role.
5. You write off any good play from DMC because it was against a bad team.

You dont get it and that is ok, but dont try to come on here and tell people who live for this type of thing and consider it a hobby (posters here) that you know what you are talking about.

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Okay if you read my post correctly you would have read I needed to go to work when the question was asked of me. And why would you suggest that I can't answer the question? To make a statement like that you must know my limitations on what I can and can't do.

PATS68 said:

Okay if you read my post correctly you would have read I needed to go to work when the question was asked of me.

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So what's your excuse now?

PATS68 said:

Okay if you read my post correctly you would have read I needed to go to work when the question was asked of me. And why would you suggest that I can't answer the question? To make a statement like that you must know my limitations on what I can and can't do.

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I know you have a hard time forming a coherent sentence. Or, understanding what a Rodney Harrison was saying about safeties or understanding the role of a FS. You sure are good at spinning a discussion in a direction that favors your ludicrous claims.

FCB02062 said:

Was this from that Pats vs Miami AFC Championship game I must've missed????

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FCB02062 said:

B.) Devin McCourty in his 4 or 5 year career has not made one game altering play in a big game .

The last big play from McCourty I can remember was when he picked of Ryan Fitzpatrick in the end zone to seal a win vs Buffalo in 2012...

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So McCourty has two game sealing plays against division rivals at the FS position yet he doesn't make plays in big games. Go tell Belichick division games aren't big, he'd laugh in your face for about a minute.

Also what's this 4 or 5 years crap? This discussion is about him as FS. Which he has been playing for less than two full seasons.

PATS68 said:

Ravens safety play two years ago was outstanding in the playoffs and the so wasn't the Seahawks. McCourty wouldn't even have been a starter on either of those teams

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You think Baltimore woul dhave started James Ihedigbo over McCourty? Are you out of your mind?

Kam Chancellor and Pollard play different positions than Devin McCourty. You know that, right?

This thread is absolutely hilarious. Some people have to be some of the worst grass-is-greener knuckleheads ever. McCourty hits the free market and he will be fielding offers of 8+ (maybe way +) from a dozen teams.

The Pats defense improved greatly in long passes - the reason is the guy playing FS. The rest of the league knows this.

And by the way, DBs for Seattle have a huge advantage: they had a ferocious pass rush for the past few years. They play(ed) an entirely different system than NE's bend-don't-break philosophy, where you had BB on record repeatedly saying that sacks are overrated. It's a helluva lot easier to shine as a DB, or get picks, when the QB is under pressure.

Finally, the Pats seem to be moving away from that philosophy, grabbing press corners and a pass-rushing DT and more athletic LBs.

Watch Manning throwing against the Pats is the AFCCG, then watch him trying to throw against Seattle in the SB. If you think the difference was the DBs, you do not understand football.

It comes down to a very simple and obviously true statement: if the Pats don't pay McCourty like an elite FS (Thomas, Byrd, Weddle), someone else will. That's not even really debatable.
The strong safeties - Chancellor, Ward, Whitner - are the ones getting the short end of it.

PATS68 said:

I think people on this thread are missing a HUGE point here. I don't care what McCourty did against Tannerhill, all I care about is what he does vs Luck or a Manning in a AFCCG. To this point has done much of nothing.

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I am pretty sure Revis has only 1 career interception in the play-offs.

He must suck.

Ivan said:

I am pretty sure Revis has only 1 career interception in the play-offs.

He must suck.

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Earl Thomas, the consensus #1 FS in the league only has 2 in the postseason, and neither of them came in Seattle's Super Bowl run last year. Hopefully the Seahawks let him go so we can pick him for special teams or something.

Ivan said:

I am pretty sure Revis has only 1 career interception in the play-offs.

He must suck.

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The whole "so and so is a good player but he's not a playmaker" was dumb when it was being made about Mayo, and it's no less dumb now.

I can hardly think of a less prudent approach to roster-building than to lowball McCourty, as some have suggested. Pay the man his market value; he's earned it.

JackBauer said:

So what's your excuse now?

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Read post below. Blue Jays really! Says it all!

JackBauer said:

The whole "so and so is a good player but he's not a playmaker" was dumb when it was being made about Mayo, and it's no less dumb now.

I can hardly think of a less prudent approach to roster-building than to lowball McCourty, as some have suggested. Pay the man his market value; he's earned it.

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I have to admit they do have a point, the Patriots would have been so much better had Mayo missed those 140 or so tackles each season.

PATS68 said:

Read post below. Blue Jays really! Says it all!

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Great "answer."