Devin McCourty contract talks in progress

strngplyr · Jun 10, 2014

Miguel said:
Hate to continue the hijacking of this so-called McCourty thread but I want to say

Do not see where Revis has changed. He made it a point that his Patriots deal averaged 16M per year - the same as his Buccaneers contract. Therefore, he can technically say that he is still the highest paid cornerback in the game today. He had added to his contract a clause that prevents the Pats from franchising him - a first for a Patriot acquired through free agency. If he plays well in 2014, he has a great deal of leverage in extension negotiations with the Patriots. He made it so that if his 20 million option is not picked up and he and the Patriots can not agree on an extension that he will be an UFA in the early parts of free agency when the dollars are flowing.

I believe that someone in this thread said that they were OK with the Pats accepting the $20 million option and maybe franchise Revis the next two years. His cap numbers would be then $25M in 2015, $30M in 2016, and $36M in 2017.

The people OK with franchising him were forgetting that, correct me if i'm wrong, but the franchise MUST be an increase on the value of the contract if it is already higher than the average of the top 5, correct? It cannot be less than he made the prior year, no?

BradyFTW! · Jun 10, 2014

Rob0729 said:
That's the thing. Everyone looked at his move to safety because Belichick had him in the dog house. Belichick always loved the guy. I think Belichick just felt he was more valuable and impactful as a safety than a CB.

I don't see McCourty leaving the Pats anytime in the foreseeable future.

Looking at the Seahawks' defense and the contracts that Thomas and Byrd just got, I think people are finally starting to come around on the idea that an elite safety is at least as valuable as a good cornerback. So if you have a guy like McCourty, who's good at corner and potentially great at safety, he's more valuable in the latter position. We're long past the days where safety was where you stuck guys who weren't athletic enough to play corner. In fact, the best safeties are guys who can credibly play corner if called upon to do so, because safeties need to be able to cover now (sorry, Pat Chung). As usual, Belichick was a few years ahead on the trend.

BradyFTW! · Jun 10, 2014

SalemPats said:
Hopefully we can lock him up for another 3-4 years at 4M/year

Getting him for double that would be a win - would mean he took a hometown discount.

BradyFTW! · Jun 10, 2014

strngplyr said:
The people OK with franchising him were forgetting that, correct me if i'm wrong, but the franchise MUST be an increase on the value of the contract if it is already higher than the average of the top 5, correct? It cannot be less than he made the prior year, no?

Yup, the franchise tag grants the player the average of the top 5 salaries at his position OR 120% of the previous year's salary, whichever is greater. So if he's already making more than the average of the top 5 salaries, then the tag gives him a 20% raise.

Deus Irae · Jun 10, 2014

strngplyr said:
The people OK with franchising him were forgetting that, correct me if i'm wrong, but the franchise MUST be an increase on the value of the contract if it is already higher than the average of the top 5, correct? It cannot be less than he made the prior year, no?

He'd be coming off that contract at 31 (once the next season rolled around). At that point, if someone's willing to pay the man more than you just paid him, you let them.

Triumph · Jun 10, 2014

Marqui said:
No he doesn't. Belichick has a well documented history of paying premium price for an elite player who's proven he can play at that level in his system. If Revis has a great year, Bill will be happy to give him the top CB contract.

Word

Short bus patrons would let Revis go but keep Mcourty

JackBauer · Jun 10, 2014

Triumph said:
Word

Short bus patrons would let Revis go but keep Mcourty

Who has suggested doing this? Be specific.

Triumph · Jun 10, 2014

JackBauer said:
Who has suggested doing this? Be specific.

Ivan

The 2014 Pats pass defense could be as good or better than when Law was in his prime. Revis will be that reason. Mcourty is replaceable.

JackBauer · Jun 10, 2014

Triumph said:
Ivan

The 2014 Pats pass defense could be as good or better than when Law was in his prime. Revis will be that reason. Mcourty is replaceable.

Specific post?

McCourty is certainly replaceable...by someone like Earl Thomas. Admit it: you're the conductor of the McCourty hate train, and ever since you compared him to Tebucky Jones you'd rather continue to defend your absurd position rather than simply admit you were wrong.

Joker · Jun 10, 2014

The McCourty hate train?...I never suspected Triumph was behind it the whole time....and look!...what's that tied gagged to the tracks with rope? OMG!!! It's Amendola!

the plot thickens....

FreeTedWilliams · Jun 11, 2014

I fail to see where anyone thinks he is a top ten safety! I would let him test the FA waters, and then maybe match if he gets an average offer. He just isn't that good! Certainly nothing close to being worth 5+ million a year!

Mac&Barmore FTW · Jun 11, 2014

FreeTedWilliams said:
I fail to see where anyone thinks he is a top ten safety! I would let him test the FA waters, and then maybe match if he gets an average offer. He just isn't that good! Certainly nothing close to being worth 5+ million a year!

He's not a top 10 safety. More like a top 3 safety.

Kontradiction · Jun 11, 2014

FreeTedWilliams said:
I fail to see where anyone thinks he is a top ten safety! I would let him test the FA waters, and then maybe match if he gets an average offer. He just isn't that good! Certainly nothing close to being worth 5+ million a year!

New England's defense was one of the better defenses in the NFL last season at defending passes 20 yards or more through the air. What, pray tell, do you think was the reason for that? Steve Gregory?

FreeTedWilliams · Jun 11, 2014

Brady&Springsteen FTW said:
He's not a top 10 safety. More like a top 3 safety.

Come'On Man! That is ridiculous!

You seriously can't think that! He wouldn't even make Seattle's roster!

I would rather have Bernard Pollard! At least he strikes some fear into opponents!

AFC Championship: P. Manning 32-43 400!!! 2 TD, no picks!

McCourty: 9 tackles, none for a loss, no sacks, no picks, no FF

JackBauer · Jun 11, 2014

FreeTedWilliams said:
I would rather have Bernard Pollard!

Thank God you're not making personnel decisions for the Patriots, then.

Kontradiction · Jun 11, 2014

FreeTedWilliams said:
Come'On Man! That is ridiculous!

You seriously can't think that! He wouldn't even make Seattle's roster!

I don't agree that he's a top three safety either and agree that he wouldn't make Seattle's roster *as a starter*. But he would as a back-up. That speaks more to the quality of Seattle's safeties than it does to McCourty.

I would rather have Bernard Pollard! At least he strikes some fear into opponents!

1. Pollard is a SS. McCourty is a FS. There are two different types of skill sets there.

2. Pollard can't cover his way out of a paper bag.

AFC Championship: P. Manning 32-43 400!!! 2 TD, no picks!

Why are you blaming that game on McCourty? From what I saw, Manning generally avoided his side of the field. That game had much more to do with Dennard's inability to even slow down Thomas coupled with the fact that the front seven got zero pressure on Manning.

Ivan · Jun 11, 2014

Triumph said:
Ivan

The 2014 Pats pass defense could be as good or better than when Law was in his prime. Revis will be that reason. Mcourty is replaceable.

Flat out lie. What I said was that one of the reasons they may be trying to get McCourty done first is so they would still have a decent defensive backfield if they did lose Revis,

Here is the quote "Bottom line, I think they want McCourty done because it gives them a great secondary and protects them if the can't get Revis done, which would suck but would still leave them with a good secondary even if it came to fruition."

I never said I would take McCourty over Revis that is just more garbage that you make up, but coming from the guy who wants Belichick fired it makes sense that you would make more sh.t up to throw at the wall.

For those who aren't aware of it, Triumph has claimed he can do a better job than Belichick, and anyone who believes that is mentally ill.

Ivan · Jun 11, 2014

JackBauer said:
Who has suggested doing this? Be specific.

FTR Jack Triumph's claim that I said I would take McCourty over Revis is a total lie and i have provided the quote i made on it. So Triumph is still going to need to come up with someone who made such a claim to back up the claim in any way.

Ivan · Jun 11, 2014

JackBauer said:
Specific post?

McCourty is certainly replaceable...by someone like Earl Thomas. Admit it: you're the conductor of the McCourty hate train, and ever since you compared him to Tebucky Jones you'd rather continue to defend your absurd position rather than simply admit you were wrong.

Sorry Jack, missed this. Right on the money, I never made any such claim about McCourty over Revis.

Mac&Barmore FTW · Jun 11, 2014

KontradictioN said:
I don't agree that he's a top three safety either and agree that he wouldn't make Seattle's roster *as a starter*. But he would as a back-up. That speaks more to the quality of Seattle's safeties than it does to McCourty.

1. Pollard is a SS. McCourty is a FS. There are two different types of skill sets there.

2. Pollard can't cover his way out of a paper bag.

Why are you blaming that game on McCourty? From what I saw, Manning generally avoided his side of the field. That game had much more to do with Dennard's inability to even slow down Thomas coupled with the fact that the front seven got zero pressure on Manning.

I meant that he's a top 3 free safety.

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