Browns coach dismisses Brady in demise talk

BradyManny · Jun 6, 2014

If anybody’s going to shoot me straight, it’s Pettine. No opposing coach besides Rex Ryan knows the play of Brady more intimately than Pettine. From 2009-12, he was Ryan’s defensive coordinator for the Jets. Last season, Pettine struck out on his own and faced Brady twice as the Bills’ defensive coordinator.

“It’s beyond ridiculous,” Pettine said, fiddling with his computer. “Top five? I mean, to me, it’s one and two (Brady and Peyton Manning) and then there’s a gap and then it’s probably (Drew) Brees and (Aaron) Rodgers would be three and four, however you want to order them.

There’s only so many quarterbacks in the league, I don’t know what the number is, five maybe six that will be successful no matter who their supporting cast is. They got it done in New England with below average offensive linemen, receivers you never heard of. But because the system is so good and the guy running it is so good, it’s going to be successful. I think he’s that way, I think Peyton’s that way. But I think Tom’s probably the best at that.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/06/tom-brady-mike-pettine-top-five-quarterback/

Not too much of a surprise, but a good read. Interesting he throws our OL under the bus, also not too much of a surprise to me, just telling he would go out of his way to say that.

Buchanty · Jun 6, 2014

Nice - the difference between an informed and battle hardened opinion and an opinion based on virtual experience, assumed knowledge and selective metrics.

Kontradiction · Jun 6, 2014

As I keep saying, it's literally impossible to tell whether or not Brady was actually in the beginning of decline last season. His weakness has always been A-gap pressure and the combination of Connolly and Wendell completely **** the bed time and again last year. Add to that the fact that he was having to work in three different rookie WR's (all who were injured at different points) and a new injured slot receiver without his stud TE most of the season, and it's no surprise his numbers dropped. This year will be telling. The team appears to have addressed the interior pass protection issues. Hopefully at least one of the second year WR's can make the leap and, if Gronk stays healthy, we should really be in business.

Deus Irae · Jun 6, 2014

Brady's the best QB in the NFL. He has been for a lot of years. That's become such the norm that it's minimized by the analysts. Opposing coaches know better.

PatsWickedPissah · Jun 6, 2014

What a homer!

captain stone · Jun 7, 2014

"Below-average offensive lineman"…no arguement here.

AzorianPats · Jun 7, 2014

captain stone said:
"Below-average offensive lineman"…no arguement here.

I remember this time last year, pundits where ranking our O line top 3 in the league. Funny how things change in a year.

Kontradiction · Jun 7, 2014

AzorianPats said:
I remember this time last year, pundits where ranking our O line top 3 in the league. Funny how things change in a year.

A lot of sane fans on this forum were pointing out Wendell's shortcomings, that Solder needs more sand in his ass, and that Connolly has always been a back-up at best (a lot of us have been pointing the last one out since 2009). The least of the worries on the OL should have been Mankins and Vollmer but, for some reason, those were the two that people seemed to attack the most last season. Mankins can only be so effective playing next to a scrub center who, in turn, plays next to a back-up RG. Vollmer, unfortunately, has dealt with various injury issues but was effective when he was at least somewhat healthy.

lurker1965 · Jun 8, 2014

Thread about some writer you never heard of says Brady is no longer top 5 = 134 replies and 4,823 views.
A coach calls that silly = #9 replies and whatever views I just gave it by posting. ( I did not look at views before coming here.)
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BradyFTW! · Jun 8, 2014

BradyManny said:
Good digging by Bedard:

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/06/06/tom-brady-mike-pettine-top-five-quarterback/

Not too much of a surprise, but a good read. Interesting he throws our OL under the bus, also not too much of a surprise to me, just telling he would go out of his way to say that.

He's totally right about the OL, too. At this point, the talking heads on TV just say every year that the Pats have a really strong offensive line because Brady doesn't take a lot of sacks, ignoring that Brady himself is the main reason for that. It'll be interesting to see if this narrative finally goes away in 2014, considering that the deficiencies of the interior line were so obvious last year that it was impossible for an even remotely knowledgeable viewer to watch a Pats game and not see it.

BradyFTW! · Jun 8, 2014

AzorianPats said:
I remember this time last year, pundits where ranking our O line top 3 in the league. Funny how things change in a year.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if pundits are still saying that this year. The pundits are the problem, really.

SHOWTIME15 · Jun 8, 2014

Was our offensive line really below average? I guess they did give up a lot of sacks last year. Plus injuries to vollmer.

Jackson 2 · Jun 8, 2014

What the hell would a longtime opposing DC know? Sorry, I'm taking the word of a think-tank stats geek from overseas vs. Pettine's.

tmajr3 · Jun 8, 2014

Talking about the OL, do you guys guess Stork at C and Cannon at RG would be our best OL?

captain stone · Jun 8, 2014

Yes...yes I do.

crew1954 · Jun 9, 2014

lurker1965 said:
Thread about some writer you never heard of says Brady is no longer top 5 = 134 replies and 4,823 views.
A coach calls that silly = #9 replies and whatever views I just gave it by posting. ( I did not look at views before coming here.)
Any questions on how to generate traffic to a site?

Fiverr. $5 for 10k hits from Bengladesh and an assortment of other 3rd World hellholes.

Kontradiction · Jun 9, 2014

tmajr3 said:
Talking about the OL, do you guys guess Stork at C and Cannon at RG would be our best OL?

I do. The issue is that I don't think the team views Cannon as a RG. I think they view him as a tackle. But we'll see. That C/RG combination would easily do a better job of giving Brady a clean pocket than Wendell at C and Connolly at RG.

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