Break out players 2014

PatsWickedPissah said:

Ken,
Looking at projected rosters many fans have Chris Jones not making the 53

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Yeah, I noticed that myself. If it comes to pass, which I doubt, it will say a LOT about how good the interior DL talent has become. Jones had a hell of a year that only got better as the season went along.

Another thing that some fans are forgetting when they are trying to figure out their 53 man rosters is the position flexibility among the DL. We have a few DE's like Chandler, Rob, and Buchanon who have played some LB, and some DT's like Armstead and Easly who can also play DE, as well as Vince and Kelly who can play 3-4 DE.

Position flexibility is one of the reasons I feel comfortable with keeping only 5 true LB's to start the season, because some so called DLmen and DB's can take so called LB snaps in a lot of situational defenses.

Chris Jones has way more upside at his age than say Tommy Kelly. If Kelly comes back healthy and outperforms Jones, then you have to keep the best 53. But, if it is a close call, you have to look at a player's age and ceiling.

How many days until training camp? 50'ish?

I'll predict three with stats-
Dobson- 77 catches, 1120 yards, 8 TD's
Jamie Collins- 115 tackles, 7 sacks, 3 INT's
Chandler Jones- 70 tackles, 15 sacks

PatsWickedPissah said:

Ken,
Looking at projected rosters many fans have Chris Jones not making the 53

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The Brain trust invested a First for a penetrating 3 tech, unexpectedly and atypically. I have to think that the rookie/FA 3 tech Chris Jones' play was an eye opener to the Staff and got BB thinking.

I would wager that Chris Jones job is safe, since the draft of Easley confirms the planned need for exploiting penetrating 3 techs. Unlike a two-gapper DT, those guys need to be fresh to be effective. I could see a platooning of Dom and Chris to keep both fresh.

Fans seldom think ahead to foresee what BB and Patricia are planning. This Defense is shaping up to be a dominant and forbidding one. It will feature great secondary play, and a fierce pass rush, from numerous locations when it wishes.

However, Never forget that BB has always appreciated sound and reactive Defense to control opponents scoring. He has done consistently well in Points Allowed even with mediocre defensive talent, while rebuilding. With a lighter, faster Defense, he will most certainly rotate personnel to control the Run.

patfanken said:

Yeah, I noticed that myself. If it comes to pass, which I doubt, it will say a LOT about how good the interior DL talent has become. Jones had a hell of a year that only got better as the season went along.

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Jones was brutal against the run all year and his pass rush stats early in the year were something of a fluke, converting an abnormal number of his hurries to sacks. He had 5 sacks in his first 5 games and 2 sacks in his final 10 (including playoffs). He was almost a total non-factor as the the season went on and looked awful in the AFCCG.

I'm going to list an abstract one in Buchanan. He was originally projected to be a higher talent in the draft but since breaking his jaw he lost a lot of weight. Supposedly he's put on some weight now, would like to see what he can bring as a rotational pass rusher.

I'm throwing out names because I can.

Offense: James White (the committee is well and alive in New England).
Defense: Duron Harmon (if you can't lift your game with the additions of Revis, Browner and an upgraded pass rush then you never will).

Kenbrell Thompkins- Most explosive in break's, cuts. Very sudden. Adjusts very well to the ball. Needed refinement.
Dobson- if he stays healthy
Vereen-if healthy will be feature back. Maybe 1000 yrds rushing/receiving both
Fleming will back up and provide rest for several positions to prepare replacing older mankins at LG next year.

Defense
Collins- bulked up some,will become standout blitzer
Dominique Easley- will become a terror his rookie season
McCourty- becomes noticed As Earl Thomas level
Chandler Jones?- can't say for sure, must get stronger from last year. Has he?
Logan Ryan- nails down other corner spot
JAKE BEQETTE- GOT LIL STRONGER WILL, HE WILL BECOME A PASSRUSHING FORCE THIS YEAR! WILL LEAD TEAM IN SACKS,QB PRESSURES,FORCED FUMBLES HE IS X FACTOR THIS YEAR, WILD CARD!! HE COMES INTO HIS OWN HIS THIRD YEAR! AWESOME FORCE!

Just playing bout Beqette. I watched him play one or 2 snaps and laughed. What is he doing on the roster.

Gymrat said:

Just playing bout Beqette. I watched him play one or 2 snaps and laughed. What is he doing on the roster.

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I didn't realize you were kidding about Bequette. After posting things like "Anybody who believes Ocho's problem was the playbook is lying to themselves.", I simply can't take any of your football comments seriously.

People might* be a little more harsh to you than you deserve, but for somebody who expresses strong opinions about football in such an authoritative tone, you know very little about the game. You're not the smartest guy in this room.

I'm not sure if you're a joke account created to get under people's skin or not. If you aren't, until you stop assuming you're an authority on things of which you clearly are not, people won't like you.... no matter how ripped you get.

mcmurtry86 said:

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Jones was brutal against the run all year and his pass rush stats early in the year were something of a fluke, converting an abnormal number of his hurries to sacks. He had 5 sacks in his first 5 games and 2 sacks in his final 10 (including playoffs). He was almost a total non-factor as the the season went on and looked awful in the AFCCG.

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Chris Jones struggled against the run when paired with Vellano. He was the 1Tech DT in that scenario and he struggled with the 2-gap responsibility. There were other times when he was playing 0Tech NT in a 3-4 with Andre Carter playing RDE next to him; this was not a good fit for him either. When he was able to align at the 3Tech DT once, Siliga was inserted into the lineup he performed much better against the run.

He was third on the team with 30 total QB pressures during the regular season, 6 of them were sacks that is a 20% pressure to sack rate, compare that to Chandler Jones who had 80 total pressures and 11.5 sacks for a 14.5% pressure to sack ratio. It was not as much of an anomaly as you suggest.

Gymrat said:

Just playing bout Beqette. I watched him play one or 2 snaps and laughed. What is he doing on the roster.

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Personally, I am not as quick to dismiss Bequette as other posters, Belichick in my opinion retained him last season for a reason and sees something in him that he is trying to develop and refine. There are physical traits that Bequette offers that are eye opening, at 6’5” 270lbs he performed the 20-yard shuttle in 4.07 second and the 3-cone in 6.90 seconds, compare that to Clowney who was 4.43 and 7.27 in those 2 drills and you see the intrigue. Will Bequette’s physical talent ever translate to success on the field? I am not sure, but I certainly see why Belichick has kept him around and attempted to develop him.

I'll resist the urge to name half the team, so I'll stick with one breakout player on offense and defense... and two rookies who will make an impact:

Aaron Dobson. I look for him to make the next step. Go re-watch the Steeler game from last year. If THAT can become the norm....

Armand Armstead. I pegged him for big things last year before the infection mess, and I am not jumping off the bandwagon. He and Easley are going to be a young disruptive force.

Bryan Stork. He will be a major contributor to the interior OL this year.

Jemea Thomas. He will be a special teams force early on. By November, he will be a part of the most aggressive DB core this side of Seattle.

Brady6 said:

Personally, I am not as quick to dismiss Bequette as other posters, Belichick in my opinion retained him last season for a reason and sees something in him that he is trying to develop and refine. There are physical traits that Bequette offers that are eye opening, at 6’5” 270lbs he performed the 20-yard shuttle in 4.07 second and the 3-cone in 6.90 seconds, compare that to Clowney who was 4.43 and 7.27 in those 2 drills and you see the intrigue. Will Bequette’s physical talent ever translate to success on the field? I am not sure, but I certainly see why Belichick has kept him around and attempted to develop him.

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Beq was my favorite whipping boy last season but I could not agree more that I would be wicked jacked & pumped to see the guy succeed so I would need to ask Ian to delete my posts making fun of him.

PatsWickedPissah said:

Beq was my favorite whipping boy last season but I could not agree more that I would be wicked jacked & pumped to see the guy succeed so I would need to ask Ian to delete my posts making fun of him.

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No doubt, he deserved to be the #1 whipping boy on the squad last season. That aside I just have to believe as intelligent as Belichick is and how thought out his decisions are I cannot envision him keeping Bequette for no reason. Bequette has practice squad eligibility so for him to not even risk putting him through waivers indicates something in my opinion.

patfanken said:

3. I mean, no one is even talking about CJones, who had 6 sacks as an interior DLman. IIRC only Seymour's 8 is higher, and that number came after he'd long established himself as one of the top DLmen in the league. What if this kid improves his game with a 2nd full year with the team.

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I agree. I am still amazed that they were able to come up with Chris jones and Siliga off the street when Wilfork and Kelly went down. Both were really good pick-ups and i think both make this year's roster and provide good depth inside and strong contributions in their roles. Siliga should back up Wilfork and help their run D and jones could end up being a really good situational pass rusher inside and i can using him with Easely inside on passing downs.

Gymrat said:

Kenbrell Thompkins- Most explosive in break's, cuts. Very sudden. Adjusts very well to the ball. Needed refinement.
Dobson- if he stays healthy
Vereen-if healthy will be feature back. Maybe 1000 yrds rushing/receiving both
Fleming will back up and provide rest for several positions to prepare replacing older mankins at LG next year.

Defense
Collins- bulked up some,will become standout blitzer
Dominique Easley- will become a terror his rookie season
McCourty- becomes noticed As Earl Thomas level
Chandler Jones?- can't say for sure, must get stronger from last year. Has he?
Logan Ryan- nails down other corner spot
JAKE BEQETTE- GOT LIL STRONGER WILL, HE WILL BECOME A PASSRUSHING FORCE THIS YEAR! WILL LEAD TEAM IN SACKS,QB PRESSURES,FORCED FUMBLES HE IS X FACTOR THIS YEAR, WILD CARD!! HE COMES INTO HIS OWN HIS THIRD YEAR! AWESOME FORCE!

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Nah.

Easley? I doubt we'll see him at his best for most of this year. He might come on strong later in the year, but don't expect a huge rookie season coming off an ACL.

McCourty becomes noticed as Earl Thomas level? No. Because he never has been Earl Thomas level.

Bequette? Lol....

Well, as of now, we need at least one of these to have a good season.
Buchanan
Beauharnais
Harmon
Ryan