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Can Edelman repeat 100 catches and 1000 yards?

  • Yes

    Votes: 32 60.4%
  • No

    Votes: 21 39.6%

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Kraft said they were attempting to retain Welker as well. Listen it is possible the reason Amendola was signed was solely to replace Welker, you could be right. I personally think it is possible they just like Amendola and wanted to add him, there were rumors of him being traded for back in 2012 so he has been on the teams radar for a bit.

Either way it appears Edelman is the #1 inside receiver currently, I am sure Amendola will have a role, I just do not see a 100 catches in his future, not with Edelman and LaFell.

I agree that small, quick receivers have always thrived in the Patriots system, so they'll be fine. Hopefully, the longer threat in Dobson, versatile LaFell and a healthy Gronk means a group that is impossible to shut down which is a lot more important than any individuals numbers IMO.

I would even go so far as to say that most teams with one receiver who puts up huge numbers don't go far. I'd much rather have talented chess pieces that no defense can cover if they do their jobs.
 
I agree that small, quick receivers have always thrived in the Patriots system, so they'll be fine. Hopefully, the longer threat in Dobson, versatile LaFell and a healthy Gronk means a group that is impossible to shut down which is a lot more important than any individuals numbers IMO.

I would even go so far as to say that most teams with one receiver who puts up huge numbers don't go far. I'd much rather have talented chess pieces that no defense can cover if they do their jobs.
Dobson, LaFell, and even Boyce/Thompkins just being on the field even if they don't put up huge stats will make world of difference. We don't need to have a vertical offense, we just need to have the threat of it that other teams must respect. I think that is why Brady gets knocked about his deep ball a lot, fans don't realize that in many cases he is throwing deep knowing full well it is not going to be converted, he is throwing the deep pass to keep the defense honest.

I was not a huge fan of Amendola last season. Once the team let the 3/11 deadline pass I realized he was here for at least 2014 so I went back and looked at his Rams tape. He is an impressive player, he could really produce for us. I am cautiously optimistic about his 2014 season.
 
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I suppose the right answer is maybe. The harder question is who will get the other 150 receptions by wide receivers.
 
I don't care who puts up the Fantasy Football numbers. I'm happy if the Patriots win 3-0.

My hope is the Patriots Defense of 2014 shows it's one of action and not filled with paper warriors. Super D + ball control O = winning.
 
I don't care who puts up the Fantasy Football numbers. I'm happy if the Patriots win 3-0.

My hope is the Patriots Defense of 2014 shows it's one of action and not filled with paper warriors. Super D + ball control O = winning.
No doubt the defense will be significantly better with good health. That aside we will need to score points. The AFC East improved a lot this offseason on the offensive side of the ball.
 
I know it, they could come in 4th in points scored instead of 3rd. And although i realize that they led the league in scoring while Gronk was active that would still mean they were second in points instead of first, and that is simply unacceptable. If you could get ahold of Belichick and explain to him as you have us how you could do much better if would be really helpful to the Patriots and by extension all of us who get to bask in your incredible knowledge. Maybe you could get them that #1 WR so critical to winning Lombardi's, you know, guys like Kearse, Boldin, and Santonio Holmes.

You laughed at Manning for regular season success. What matters most is can your offense produce against better teams in the post season. If not its useless in terms of a championship. Holmes was talented but fell apart on bad teams after he lost focus. He tore it up in a Superbowl and post season unlike Edelman has yet to accomplish. And For the record Edelman isn't that wr who can produce even when a Defense keys on him. Holmes did. Last I checked kearse wasn't a best wr on a team featuring a historical defense. And Boldin is considered far superior than Edelman/Amendola. I never said we need An all pro wr. Just a wr who can produce even when focused on. Sports commentators across the country feel Bills offense and team as a whole are getting further from a championship rather than closer. Including many of his former great players.

For the record dude Im excited to see the defenses potential this year. I think it gets more dominant as season wears on.(Great feeling Zach Moore and DOMINIQUE EASLEY) But come on dude cut me a break here how can a legit wr not help tremendously and make the entire offense more effective. Especially if Gronk goes down again.
 
I have never played fantasy football nor do I give a **** bout fantasy studs.(may try it this year and ask for pointers how to play) I just want a legit wr who can stuff it to defenses when it counts and raise that trophy again. Just like an oline that can punch great defenses in the mouth.Like Stork continue to get bigger/stronger and hopefully Fleming is a powerful fixture at LG(mankins may be in final yr) i think Halapio is super underrated. Powerful with a torn pec.(a pulled pec hurts,couldn't imagine torn) He is a training warrior who will vastly improve when healed.I hear great great things about him. I like Cannon at RG but he needs to be on his game and work hard with Halapio on roster. I like these picks and their power/mauling ability with plenty of underrated athleticism for the interior. Stork can stand to get slightly bigger/stronger and confident he will. Will be nice with a standout 320/325 lb center who can punch defenses back. Does anybody remember how good our oline looked with Brian Waters.
 
I think Edelman will have a great season again, maybe not as statisitically strong in the 2nd half as last year, but that will be a good thing as others will step up
 
If he can stay healthy, I'm almost positive that he can match what he did last year. But I'm also of the mind that it isn't necessarily a good thing that he does (at least if we're talking 100 receptions). I feel like a lot of bad things would have to happen for him to get all of those opportunities. At least three, probably four of these scenarios would need to happen.

Gronk gets hurt again, or is physically unable to perform like the gronk that we know
Dobson doesn't improve/is unhealthy for a large portion of the season
Boyce: see Dobson
Thompkins: see Dobson
Lafell is added to the long list of free agent receivers who don't make it
Amendola gets hurt again
Gallon, who probably only makes the roster if all of the above happen, doesn't catch on quick.
Vereen gets hurt again.
White struggles in scat back opportunities.

I can honestly say if Edelman has his production cut in half, but it's because his looks are going towards Dobson, Amendola, Boyce/Thompkins/Gallon, Gronkowski and Lafell. I would be much happier than seeing him repeat that performance.
 
Dobson is going to be a stud this year, him and Edelman will be the top 2 receivers in terms of production with Lafell and Amendola filling complementary roles as the #3 and #4 guys rotating in
 
Can he? yup. Will he? Don't care as long as he stays healthy and contributes every game. I remember this offense being number 1 in the NFL for the span when Gronk returned. I expect around the same results when he does again. Watching Gronk, Edelperson, Fells,Dobson and crew is going to be as fun as it gets this season.
 
He can but we don't know if he will. Either way I believe he will be a very important piece to the offense. We saw teams doubling him and that's always valuable. He's a good blocker, especially for someone his size. And he brings it on every play. A player's value goes beyond merely stats sometimes. He's a swiss army knife-type player and that puts a lot of pressure on a defense.
 
MiniTron will likely have to repeat his production of last season; to whom else will Brady throw, who won't hurt his bum falling down without contact, or his piggy toes after dropping another long pass,
or his groin after making a simple cut?

If Boyce & LaFell prove incapable of helping Edelman, then this offense is in deep, deep doo-doo.
 
Kraft said they were attempting to retain Welker as well. Listen it is possible the reason Amendola was signed was solely to replace Welker, you could be right. I personally think it is possible they just like Amendola and wanted to add him, there were rumors of him being traded for back in 2012 so he has been on the teams radar for a bit.

Either way it appears Edelman is the #1 inside receiver currently, I am sure Amendola will have a role, I just do not see a 100 catches in his future, not with Edelman and LaFell.

As the prior poster mentioned.
The timeline went like
1. We gave Welker an offer
2. Welker decided to test free agency (something that pissed off the patriots for some reason even though they are completely ok with other players doing the same -- including Edelmen this year did; I think it's fairly obvious at this point that something happened that resulted in Bill hating Welker)
3. Welker gets offer from Broncos, doesn't really want it, asks Patriots to match
4. Patriots say 'sorry, we've moved on'.
5. Patriots subsequently claim their original offer was higher than what the Broncos offered, so if it really does seem like for the Pats it was Welker or Amendola; not Welker and Amendola.


As far as can Minitron repeat: yes.
Do I hope he does? I don't really care, as long as 4 of our pass catchers have good seasons.
 
I think he can repeat it but I think that with Amendola healthy Lafall in the fold and another year under their belts for Dobson, Thompkins and Boyce there will be other guys who get targeted and he will fall short.
 
I think a big factor that is flying under the radar for the upcoming season is the performance of one Julian Edelman. That is can he put up a similar performance and numbers to what he put up last year -- 100 catches and 1,000 yards? If so Brady has a reliable go-to target, and I see our offense as very good going forward.

Getting Gronk and Amendola back healthy will only improve on last year's unit. Dobson, Boyce, or Thomkins might make a sophomore leap but those are projections.

If Edelman continues to prove that he is the guy, a consistent 1,000 yard 100 catch guy. I see Brady being very comfortable out there, and that is bad news for NFL defenses.

So how many of you feel like Edelman can continue to perform after his 'breakout' season? I am optimistic that he has arrived at that next level and will continue to do so. So how do you guys feel about Minitron?

I certainly hope not. If he repeats 100/1000, then that'll probably mean that every other receiver is injured again.

If he gets 65 catches for 700 yards, while Dobson, Amendola, Gronk and LaFell all improve over last year's production, that definitely is preferable in my book. And that wouldn't mean that Edelman was 'worse' than last year - just that there were other options for a change.
 
He had over 100 catches last season when he was the only healthy receiver on the team. Defenses weren't keyed on Michael Hoomanawanui or Kenbrell Thompkins, that's for sure.



This is the key point imo. We all knew that Edelman could make some plays ands produce for them when the attention was elsewhere, but last season he went way way beyond that, as he became the go to guy for Brady when they really needed a first down or a big play to keep the offense moving. Defenses knew the Patriots were relying upon him and looking to go to him and he made the plays for them when they really needed them, and while that doesn't show up in his numbers it is actually more important than his overall numbers imo. If Gronk, Vereen, and Amendola are healthy it is going to take a great deal of the defensive focus off of edelman and while he won't put up the overall numbers he did last year his YAC and big play ability should flourish and he will have another really good season for them.
 
I certainly hope not. If he repeats 100/1000, then that'll probably mean that every other receiver is injured again.

If he gets 65 catches for 700 yards, while Dobson, Amendola, Gronk and LaFell all improve over last year's production, that definitely is preferable in my book. And that wouldn't mean that Edelman was 'worse' than last year - just that there were other options for a change.
I think it is important to remember that Welker consistently had 100+ receptions and 1000+ yards and he was paired with Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Deion Branch, and others in his career. Edelman was targeted 151 times in 2013; Welker was targeted 174 times in 2012 and 172 times in 2011. Brady threw the football the second most times in his career last season and a lower percent of those passes went to Edelman than went to Welker in any of his seasons here.

Edelman having similar stats does not mean that the rest of the offense is struggling, the football can be distributed the same was the improvements would need to come from the completion percentage of the players improving when targeted. Look at the players last season –

- Edelman – 69.53%
- Vereen – 68.11%
- Amendola – 65.06%
- Hoomanawanui – 63.15%
- Gronkowski – 58.20%
- Collie – 54.54%
- Dobson – 50%
- Boyce – 47.36%
- Thompkins – 45.71%


Outside of Edelman, Vereen, Amendola, and Hoomanawanui every player could significantly improve upon his catch ratio. That is where the improvements will come, that and eliminating targets to players like Collie, Bolden, Mulligan, and any other player that will not have a major role in this offense.
 
I think it is important to remember that Welker consistently had 100+ receptions and 1000+ yards and he was paired with Randy Moss, Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Deion Branch, and others in his career. Edelman was targeted 151 times in 2013; Welker was targeted 174 times in 2012 and 172 times in 2011. Brady threw the football the second most times in his career last season and a lower percent of those passes went to Edelman than went to Welker in any of his seasons here.

Edelman having similar stats does not mean that the rest of the offense is struggling, the football can be distributed the same was the improvements would need to come from the completion percentage of the players improving when targeted. Look at the players last season –

- Edelman – 69.53%
- Vereen – 68.11%
- Amendola – 65.06%
- Hoomanawanui – 63.15%
- Gronkowski – 58.20%
- Collie – 54.54%
- Dobson – 50%
- Boyce – 47.36%
- Thompkins – 45.71%


Outside of Edelman, Vereen, Amendola, and Hoomanawanui every player could significantly improve upon his catch ratio. That is where the improvements will come, that and eliminating targets to players like Collie, Bolden, Mulligan, and any other player that will not have a major role in this offense.

1. In his prime, Welker was much better than Edelman is.
2. Even still, plenty of us thought that targeting him so frequently was to the detriment of the overall offense once the end of season/playoffs came around.

As far as the catch ratio stat, I'm again not sure how that makes the case that you're trying to make. If anything, it just demonstrates that there isn't a ton of room for him to improve on a per-target basis in the role that he was previously in. If he's going to become a more efficient player, that will likely happen by being targeted less, but in more favorable situations.

None of this makes him a bad player, or part of the problem. He was simply the only guy who was even remotely open way too often, because the other receivers around him basically sucked. Since I'm assuming that he won't be a significantly better player in 2014 than he was in 2013, getting targeted 151 times again would more or less mean that, on 151+ passing plays, he was the most open player on the field. And since I think that he's a pretty good NFL talent who should under no circumstances ever be the best receiver on your team, that's a problem.

There's nothing abstract about this argument, by the way. Just look at the impact that Gronk's health had on Edelman's usage. In the seven games that Gronk played in, Edelman averaged 7 targets and 5 receptions per game, versus ~11.3 and ~7.8 when Gronk was hurt. When Gronk took the field, both Edelman's targets and receptions instantly dropped by about 35%. And yeah, that's a small sample size, but so is Edelman's career production.

If Edelman had averaged the target/rec numbers with Gronk healthy over a full season, he would end up with 112 targets and 80 receptions. I expect something a lot closer to that than the 2013 numbers: in fact, I expect a further decrease, simply because out of Dobson, Amendola, LaFell, and Vereen, the overall talent/health of that unit will almost certainly be greater than last year. Plus I expect another TE signing as well, and whoever is signed will offer more in the receiving game than Hooman and Mulligan could.
 
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