Colts OLB Robert Mathis suspended four games

MadMartigan said:

My point is the outdated aspects need to be readjusted as these things would seem to be not "performance enhancing" in any way. The fact is that they need to understand that people have lives outside of football and shouldn't always have to check with others when any other adult would be fine to take that course of action. I might be tested at work but, won't be fired for taking a pill to help with producing a child. The NFL is not the almighty although they sure act like it

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Mathis was likely taking the drug Clomid, which is a woman’s fertility drug that is prescribed off label to men for stimulation of testosterone. He was not taking this drug to have children, it would not help him with that he was taking it to increase his testosterone.

Saw a report today that Mathis only tested positive for Clomid, no other illegal substances. Kinda corroborates his story and discredits the theory he was using steroids.

the NFLPA could avoid a lot of this ******** if they would finally allow propper blood testing.

ripatsfan91 said:

Saw a report today that Mathis only tested positive for Clomid, no other illegal substances. Kinda corroborates his story and discredits the theory he was using steroids.

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Not necessarily. There are plenty of ways for players to not get caught juicing. Just because you test positive for one thing doesn't mean you never did another. Someone already posted about how steroid takers use Clomid at the end of their cycles.

And the NFL doesn't release what a player tested positive for so that report would have to come from someone in the Mathis camp. Naturally, it makes him look better.

The drug also normalizes the body's test production after a cycle. Many more players juice up than most fans think. I love to see chandler Jones lose 10-15 lbs of fat and add 15 lbs of rock. He would get 15-20 sacks. Some PEDs increase your qwik twitch explosion. Would like to see Collins add bout 10 lbs of muscle,he has explosion already he just needs a Lil more muscle and power. Our defense would rock.

They use Hcg first and finish with clomid after their cycles.

Statements from NFL reps about their position:

"As Mr. Mathis' agent acknowledged, his client failed to follow the protocols in the policy that the NFL and NFLPA agreed upon to address precisely these kinds of claims," the NFL said in a statement, via the Indy Star. "That policy also prescribes the disciplinary consequences of a positive test. The policy does not provide -- nor should it provide -- for the commissioner to override the policy's procedures and assess discipline on an after-the-fact, ad hoc basis. Here Mr. Mathis actually withdrew his appeal and accepted discipline at the union's suggestion. His hearing took place only after the Players Association requested that the appeal be reinstated."

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The NFL responded by saying, "The drug for which Mr. Mathis tested positive is not approved by the FDA for fertility in males and is a performance-enhancing drug that has been prohibited for years. Importantly, Mr. Mathis did not consult with the policy's Independent Administrator, a physician jointly approved by the NFL and NFL Players Association. Nor did he consult with his team doctor, the team's training staff, the NFLPA, the league office or the hotline established under the policy to give confidential information to players. Each of these sources would have warned against using this substance."

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http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...r-is-responsible-for-what-he-puts-in-his-body

Football players are stupid

Froob said:

When was the last time a player got suspended for violating the drug policy and came out and said it was steroids?....Exactly. It's possible Mathis is telling the truth but I don't believe anyone.

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Rodney Harrison. Of course it because of an FBI investigation of the doctor and there was no doubt...

I would like to see chandler drop 10-15 lbs of fat and add 10-15 lbs of muscle. He gets a step quicker n more powerful. He has a great frame but its lacking the leanness n muscle maturity exhibited by most top edge rushers. IMHO its the only thing in the way of taking the next step as a top edge rusher. More players juice than most fans realize. I wouldn't mind seeing some of our players "improve" as long as they r careful.lol Collins could use 10-15 lbs of muscle n become a terror as a blitzed. He is our most explosive lb. High tower is a bust IMHO. He is OK BUT we traded up for his fat but. He isn't explosive or a splash playmaker. He is rather slow n not mentioned when discussing just the top 5 young lb's. Yet several lb's drafted after him are. Pathetic. He has a chance though,his prob is he is overweight. He weights bout 270. Does he look bigger n stronger than guys like Kalil mack,bowman n other 255lb lb's.( I know Bowman's 245) NOWAY, its cuz he is carrying a good 15-20 of useless flab. If he lost 16 lbs or so of fat he would be just as big n strong but much faster n more explosive. Then he could add several lbs of muscle To build his anchor back. He would b much better playing 252-258 with a lot less fat n just 5lbs of extra muscle or so to ensure the weight he drops is all fat. He would b much more explosive. He would seriously benefit from a bodybuilding diet/nutritionist. So far he is somewhat a dissapointment for a first rounder we traded up for.

I'm having real trouble visualizing Chandler Jones (NOT Chris Jones) having 15 LBS of fat he could drop.
Poster spending too much time staring at the guys in the gym is my thought.

I would like to c stork drop 10 lbs of fat n add 10-15 lbs of rock as well along with the kwan do n other flexibility training. He has great tools,only if he were slightly stronger n quicker he could b a top10 center.

Ha ha ha Clinton nix.lol chandler doesn't have that tight ripped look most top rushers have. Its pretty obvious. I used to go to a renowned bodybuilding nutritionist who has worked with NFL players. He has stated so many times how some players leave talent on the field by not being at optimum muscle/fat ratios. When your 6'5 trust me,15 lbs isn't much. When I got a little out of shape in 2008-2010 I thought I was getting slow. I got back in the gym n got in shape n surprised myself how much faster I got dropping 20lbs of fat. It is very surprising.

Cromartie used roids,never heard about that. Sherman lucked out with his. He is a different player than he was in college. Most people don't realize that the juice isn't just for the big guys. Some kinds add a slight amount of muscle while making the user stronger,faster,more explosive.

Gymrat said:

Ha ha ha Clinton nix.lol chandler doesn't have that tight ripped look most top rushers have. Its pretty obvious. I used to go to a renowned bodybuilding nutritionist who has worked with NFL players. He has stated so many times how some players leave talent on the field by not being at optimum muscle/fat ratios. When your 6'5 trust me,15 lbs isn't much. When I got a little out of shape in 2008-2010 I thought I was getting slow. I got back in the gym n got in shape n surprised myself how much faster I got dropping 20lbs of fat. It is very surprising.

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I tend to agree, about the gaining and losing weight, I am 6’3” and 15-20lbs is a big thanksgiving weekend for me. I am sure Jones could get up to 285lbs and maintain his speed and agility. He may have, last season he added a solid 15lbs so if he did that again this offseason he will be close. Michael Buchanan is a player that could use 15-20lbs as well.

I am surprised to hear you say Jones does not have a ripped physique; he looks to be well put together to me, and he does a lot MMA training with his brother and that is a good way to shred.

Point being C Jones IS ripped. No 15 LBS of fat to lose.
just what do you think his body fat % is?

I have never seen a center ripped lol. I'm not saying a center should b ripped. Just that he would gain a Lil quickness n power by shedding several lbs of fat he is accustomed to carrying n adding several lbs of muscle by seeing a bodybuilding nutritionist. If he is that lean already then simply adding 10lbs will help him play with more power n drive a defender off the ball without slowing him down any. Some extra flexibility training will help him as well. By doing that Lil extra that most centers dont can give him that edge. I would like to c him become a top 10 center or better. Would b a luxury from wendall.

Gymrat said:

Cromartie used roids,never heard about that.

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You took it too literally. Look up Cromartie and this title on Google: How Jets' Cromartie fathered nine kids with eight women over six states

Nobody is inferring drug usage, just the fertility part....

Pretty damning stuff in this article. Clomid is not FDA-approved for men for fertility issues. Web search on the doctor shows no fertility treatment information. Clomid used by a lot of guys busted in BALCO.

http://deadspin.com/robert-mathis-picks-a-ped-fight-with-the-nfl-hes-not-go-1578394706