Does this just make too much sense? (Andre Johnson wants out of Houston)

Texxx said:

Great response. I guess you really showed me……..


That you don't really have anything to argue your point with other than to lie about the fact that you'd take Dobson over Andre Johnson.

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What? How can you said I didn't argue my point when I used actual facts to show how ignorant you are? The only liar here is you..

Texxx said:

You're comparing a guy that played all season to a guy that played like 10 games? Pretty silly comparison or did you not realize that when you asked the question?

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Andre Johnson was in 16 games as a rookie. First time you've had a fact. But Dobson played in 12 games, not 10.

Texxx said:

And Dobson was playing with a HOFer that was the best offense in the NFL the season prior. Johnson was playing on a 2nd year expansion team with no Oline and David freaking Carr throwing to him.

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You do realize that Johnson having 10 drops has no bearing on who was throwing him the ball or who was on the O-line blocking, right?

And just because the Pats had the "top scoring offense" the season prior doesn't mean anything since they lost Welker and Hernandez from that offense AND Gronksowski played in 11 games, compared to only 7 last year. You can't just throw that up without taking that into consideration.

Texxx said:

Reading comprehension is not something you are taking to this thread clearly, because I said from the very beginning that I'd love for a trade between both teams to happen and for Andre Johnson to become a Patriot. I just pointed out why it won't happen and the clear reasons why.

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You're questioning other's reading comprehension? No. You pointed out garbage reasons that actually had no basis in reality and they were debunked by actual FACT. Something you have a hard time with.

Texxx said:

They blew the opportunity to get one obviously at this point. The last two seasons they could have had a crack at Jennings, Wallace, and Desean Jackson. 3 wideouts that would all help this offense tremendously to stretch the defenses. Hell, even Steve Smith would have been a nice upgrade to what is here, although it would have added another midget receiver on this team. Instead they took the much more average receiver in Lefell who isn't anything exciting.

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Three different DIVA WRs who wouldn't fit in the system or locker-room. Furthermore, any one of the 3 would have cost more than Edelman and Amendola combined. Oh, and let's forget that they all could have easily been the next Chad Johnson in this offense. But, yeah.. OK..

Texxx said:

It's been fun guys and gals, but I'll be headed to bed. Look forward to another conversation where you guys can all gang up and insult me and my opinions. Have a good night.

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Do everyone the favor of not coming back if you are just going to troll, lie and be stupid.

You would think that if Houston was getting rid of Johnson that they would have drafted a WR.

They did not.

A proven WR traded for an unproven QB makes no sense for BOB and Houston.

Aßßynormal said:

So, if Houston trades him (or cuts him) they basically break even (salary and dead money not spilt into 2015) this year?

I wonder if part of this is an approach by Houston to negotiate a lower salary (similar to Wilfork cleaning out his locker). This whole thing may be essentially smoke by both sides.

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No. Houston is doing nothing right now. This is 32 year old WR seeing that the end of his career is approaching and has no desire to be on an offense led by either a 4th round rookie QB or marginal starter quality veteran. It is different than the Wilfork situation and the issue isn't his contract.

As much as I would like Andre Johnson as I see him as the perfect fit for the Patriots right now, I just can't see Patriots parting ways with Mallet + whatever draft picks HOU would take in a trade. It would be a lot for 1 or 2 years of service.

Not saying I don't think it can't happen.. stranger things have, but on the surface it just doesn't seem like it could work for both teams.

Texxx said:

They blew the opportunity to get one obviously at this point. The last two seasons they could have had a crack at Jennings, Wallace, and Desean Jackson. 3 wideouts that would all help this offense tremendously to stretch the defenses. Hell, even Steve Smith would have been a nice upgrade to what is here, although it would have added another midget receiver on this team. Instead they took the much more average receiver in Lefell who isn't anything exciting.

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No thanks, no thanks and no thanks.

Jennings is okay, not elite. 64 catches for 804 last year and only 4 tds. He's not elite.

Wallace? You're out of your mind. What is he, 17 million against the cap this year? He's a me-me-me-me-me-me-me cancer who runs one route. He wouldn't fit in any way into this organization. That anyone is sad the Pats didn't get him tells me a lot about that person's understanding of football and/or the Patriots.

Miami's already trying to get out from under that nightmare.

Jackson? Another diva, and way overpaid. No thanks.

I would have liked Steve Smith, and they called him in for a talk, but he didn't show up, finding his home in Baltimore instead. pretty simple.

Definitely see this happening!

NFL teams really do want to trade for Ryan Mallet....

I hope Johnson is committed to his holdout. All BOB does for the face of the franchise is sign Fitzpatrick and draft a 4th round QB? I'd want out too considering Johnson only has 2-3 years left. He doesn't deserve a bottom 5 QB throwing him the ball.

Btw, regardless of trade or cut, his best fit is by far here:

Packers: Cobb/Nelson/Boykin and just drafted 3 WRs.
Broncos: Just drafted a 2nd round WR and spent on cash.
Saints: just drafted Cooks, spent on cash.
Steelers: spent on cash.
49ers: Just traded for Stevie, 3 WR deep.

Cap and fit wise his three best choices would be the Pats, Seahawks, and Colts. The Seahawks just drafted 2nd and 4th round WRs and the Colts appear 4 deep at the position as well.

This is a no brainer. andre johnson will likely sign for less since it's clear he wants to win.n the problem is I can see denver stepping in to get him as well - just to mess with us. If anything us getting johnson would prevent elway from getting his ugly paw prints on him.

Rob0729 said:

No. Houston is doing nothing right now. This is 32 year old WR seeing that the end of his career is approaching and has no desire to be on an offense led by either a 4th round rookie QB or marginal starter quality veteran. It is different than the Wilfork situation and the issue isn't his contract.

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I agree it's different. Wilfork's injury drove that train. Johnson is healthy and still playing as an elite receiver, but expressing frustration at his team's management. Also, he has been a team player and repeatedly restructured his deal. That makes it more likely he will be a cap casualty at some point in his future, in gratitude for his working to allow the team to make moves and not compete.

I'd love to see it happen, but Houston would likely have to receive something major in return to want to lose an elite player and eat a big cap hit. This will look a lot like Larry Fitzgerald's situation.

Triumph said:

You would think that if Houston was getting rid of Johnson that they would have drafted a WR.

They did not.

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Well he didn't come out and stay this stuff until after the draft.

JMC00 said:

Well he didn't come out and stay this stuff until after the draft.

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He was probably waiting to see if they were going to get a real QB in the draft. Tom savage doesnt cut it. He may have hoped for bortles or bridgewater.

ChrisR2223 said:

Reportedly Andre Johnson hungry for a Superbowl has publically reported his dismay and is planning to skip otas and all team activities.
Mallett for Johnson really this makes to much sense not to happen doesn't it?

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As others have said, Mallett for Johnson is silly.

However, Mallett plus something else for Johnson may not be. Johnson might be a perfect fit for New England. He does, however, have a pretty large contract that I would think would need to be cut before the Pats take him on. Houston would take a good-sized cap hit dealing him, so it would need to be worth their while. Maybe Mallett plus a second-rounder in 2015 for Johnson with a restructured deal so that he fits nicely under the Pats' cap?

Ok, so this is the situation (credit to Rob0729 and twitter):

-Trading Andre Johnson before June 1st saves the Texans 3.68 million in cap room.
-Andre Johnson would either count 6.5 million against our cap in 2014 or 3.2 million in 2014 and 3.3 million in 2015.
-He would most likely be a 1 year rental like Revis due to guarantees in 2015.
-The Patriots don't play the Texans in 2014. Also, the Texans should be smart enough to realize they are not winning the AFC in 2014 with Fitzpatrick/Savage at QB anyway.

So it's feasible. The question is, what is Johnson worth to us?

EDIT: may not be true, look at Sciz's post below.

Pull the trigger

patsinthesnow said:

Ok, so this is the situation (credit to Rob0729 and twitter):

-Trading Andre Johnson before June 1st saves the Texans 3.68 million in cap room.
-Andre Johnson would either count 6.5 million against our cap in 2014 or 3.2 million in 2014 and 3.3 million in 2015.
-He would most likely be a 1 year rental like Revis due to guarantees in 2015.
-The Patriots don't play the Texans in 2014. Also, the Texans should be smart enough to realize they are not winning the AFC in 2014 with Fitzpatrick/Savage at QB anyway.

So it's feasible. The question is, what is Johnson worth to us?

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The other question is whether HOU will allow Johnson to blackmail them into a trade. Players say they want to be traded all the time. Players often threaten sit outs. It is NOT good for the league to have players decided that they don't like their quarterback and getting trade as a result of their threats.

It is not clear that Kraft and Belichick will reward such behavior.

That being said, perhaps HOU is very willing to part with Johnson.

Well the Browns have plenty of money, they stockpile 1st round picks again and have a need at WR due to Gordon's suspension.

Makes a lot of sense they will be tempted to go after him, but he said he wants SB though .... OH WAIT, they have manziel now

patsinthesnow said:

Ok, so this is the situation (credit to Rob0729 and twitter):

-Trading Andre Johnson before June 1st saves the Texans 3.68 million in cap room.
-Andre Johnson would either count 6.5 million against our cap in 2014 or 3.2 million in 2014 and 3.3 million in 2015.

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The $3.68M savings for the Texans assumes a $10M salary. The $6.5M cost to the Pats assume that's his salary. I don't know which it is (people around the Internet disagree), but it can't be both. And either way, it doesn't include his $1M week 1 roster bonus.


Edit: Jason at OverTheCap says Johnson hit a $3.5M escalator to push his salary from $6.5M to $10M. Add the $1M roster bonus, and a team trading for him would be on the hook for $11M. In other words, this idea can die.

The Texans are contenders. I can't see them getting rid of AJ unless they're blown away with an offer. I'd say they're more likely to trade for a qb than deal their best WR away. And, if there was an upgrade at qb available, they'd have made that trade already. AJ isn't going anywhere.