Does this just make too much sense? (Andre Johnson wants out of Houston)

Brady6 said:

Having Aaron Dobson this season will be the first time Brady has had the same X-WR two seasons in a row since Randy Moss.

2010 – Brandon Tate
2011 – Chad Johnson
2012 – Brandon Lloyd
2013 – Aaron Dobson
2014 – Aaron Dobson

I am excited to see what he can do. I do not think we can afford Johnson and honestly I think that we need to stop having these 1 year players at the WR spot.

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Well maybe there wouldn't be these constant one year players if the team would pony up the cash for a real wideout instead of all of these cheap fixes and lame duck receivers every other year.

Dobson has hands of stone. He was leading the league in drops before getting hurt. Him and Thompkins were one and two on the list from what I remember. Dobson won't be the answer either.

eom said:

no offense --- don't take this personal, but every one of your points is pure nonsense.
this isn't a knock, but just in case anybody reads this and maybe took it seriously.

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Well, sorry if you can't understand or accept reality. It's common sense to any non homer.

Aßßynormal said:

So, if Houston trades him (or cuts him) they basically break even (salary and dead money not spilt into 2015) this year?

I wonder if part of this is an approach by Houston to negotiate a lower salary (similar to Wilfork cleaning out his locker). This whole thing may be essentially smoke by both sides.

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No. The new CBA changed that. All dead money would be accelerated into this year for Houston. Any Salary would be the Pats responsibility.

As for it being smoke by both sides, I don't believe that to be the case. Johnson started harping last year about the team because of how badly they were doing and he felt that Management wasn't doing enough..

Texxx said:

Dobson won't be the answer either.

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Yeah Dobson should just retire right now. What we should be doing is bringing a new wideout in every year and if they aren't amazing let's give up on them.

Texxx said:

Well maybe there wouldn't be these constant one year players if the team would pony up the cash for a real wideout instead of all of these cheap fixes and lame duck receivers every other year.

Dobson has hands of stone. He was leading the league in drops before getting hurt. Him and Thompkins were one and two on the list from what I remember. Dobson won't be the answer either.

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Dobson doesn't have hands of stone. He was a rookie trying to learn the offense on the fly and just a tad out of sync with Brady. Furthermore, Dobson wasn't leading the league in drops before getting hurt. Welker had surpassed him.

Has no chance of happening and won't happen IMO. I think AD will grow into a fabulous receiver, KT and Boyce have potential IMO. Hopefully lafell can add in also. Then Edelman and amendola take care of Brady's bread and butter. Add in gronk and its a very nice offense. Maybe could of been upgraded, but still you can't complain too much.

Texxx said:

This whole thread is laughable. I'd love for the Patriots to get Andre Johnson as he deserves a shot at a SB and this would make the Patriots the possible favorite in the AFC, but

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What is laughable is you and your nonsense.

Texxx said:

1. The Patriots don't have enough money to take on his contract. Even if he restructured they still wouldn't have that much money as he wouldn't restructure that much money.

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You are 100% wrong on this. The Patriots have enough money to take on Johnson's contract with restructuring. Clearly you don't know enough about the Salary Cap for you to be commenting on this.

Texxx said:

2. Houston would take way to much of a hit to do this where it wouldn't be worth it for them when they wouldn't get a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder possibly.

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Houston would take an 11.96M hit, but it would free up 3.5M this year and the 11.96M next year.

Texxx said:

3. Even if the Patriots had the money by far, BB is way to cheap and would never pay Andre Johnson what he would be worth. He simply won't pay wideouts a lot of money. The Moss situation was an exception at the time after he had 23 TD's

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There is only so much money to go around. BTW, he's invested over $21M in the wideouts in the last year.. So that hardly screams of being cheap.

Texxx said:

4. O'Brien is still trying to keep a job even though he'll get a few years. He isn't going to get rid of his best player on offense for draft picks that aren't that valuable.

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Bill O'Brien isn't the GM in Houston. So, any trade of Johnson won't reflect on O'Brien's ability to do his job. Rick Smith is Houston's GM. If Smith felt he could improve the Texans by adding young players like Dobson and Mallett, then he'd do it.

Texxx said:

Wish it could happen though. If BB would part ways for low enough picks and could afford this, it could help out both teams and AJ would have a true shot at winning a SB.

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The Pats CAN afford this, both from a draft pick standpoint and from a player stand point. Whether or not they will do it is a different story. Personally, I'd stick with Dobson because I believe Dobson will continue to improve the way he did all of last year. And there is a good chance that he'll break 1000 yards receiving if he can stay healthy.

DaBruinz said:

Dobson doesn't have hands of stone. He was a rookie trying to learn the offense on the fly and just a tad out of sync with Brady. Furthermore, Dobson wasn't leading the league in drops before getting hurt. Welker had surpassed him.

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I highly doubt that you ever looked it up. I did fairly close to when he got injured and him and Thompkins were one and two at the top. Dobson almost gave Brady a heart attack last season early on. He was dropping all sorts of balls that could have moved the chains on 3rd down and went for TD's. It was brutal to watch.

And this isn't exactly a surprise to hear all of this praise for Dobson from people that think he is somehow going to turn into some great wideout. I got countless insults from you and a ton of others for saying the same thing about Chad Johnson even around week 8 of that season. Lol! You guys say this about whoever the #1 or #2 wideout is. And then when a great receiver like Welker leaves you guys bash him and act like he stunk it up. Oh, the irony.

DaBruinz said:

The Pats CAN afford this, both from a draft pick standpoint and from a player stand point. Whether or not they will do it is a different story. Personally, I'd stick with Dobson because I believe Dobson will continue to improve the way he did all of last year. And there is a good chance that he'll break 1000 yards receiving if he can stay healthy.

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You'd take Dobson over Andre Johnson? Lol! You probably are that ******ed.

Not that I actually believe you though.

I highly doubt you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to Dobson or the salary cap. Dobson didn't get into double digits on drops last year.

Texxx said:

And this isn't exactly a surprise to hear all of this praise for Dobson from people that think he is somehow going to turn into some great wideout. I got countless insults from you and a ton of others for saying the same thing about Chad Johnson even around week 8 of that season. Lol! You guys say this about whoever the #1 or #2 wideout is. And then when a great receiver like Welker leaves you guys bash him and act like he stunk it up. Oh, the irony.

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You didn't get countless insults from me about Chad Johnson so stop with your BS. Furthermore, I never bashed Welker so that goes to prove you are pulling garbage out of your arse. In fact, I was one of the few people who didn't bash Welker after he didn't make the circus catch in the SB. But that just goes to show you don't know what you are talking about.

Do yourself a favor. Unless you can quote me specifically, don't put words in my mouth. I'll rip you apart like the troll you are being. So do everyone a favor and crawl back under whatever rock you crawled out of since you haven't brought anything intelligent to the thread.

Oh just shut up troll.

Half of Dobson's drops came in his first game.

Texxx said:

You'd take Dobson over Andre Johnson? Lol! You probably are that ******ed.

Not that I actually believe you though.

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I don't care what you believe. You're a complete idiot so your opinion is worthless.

JMC00 said:

Oh just shut up troll.

Half of Dobson's drops came in his first game.

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You call people a troll, but in the same sentence provide an admission of the fact that there were a lot of drops. Be the pot or the kettle, I don't really care.

DaBruinz said:

I don't care what you believe. You're a complete idiot so your opinion is worthless.

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Great response. I guess you really showed me……..


That you don't really have anything to argue your point with other than to lie about the fact that you'd take Dobson over Andre Johnson.

Texxx said:

Dobson has hands of stone. He was leading the league in drops before getting hurt. Him and Thompkins were one and two on the list from what I remember. Dobson won't be the answer either.

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Andre Johnson has repeatedly had more dropped passes than Dobson (9), Mr. Objective, and more in his rookie year (10). Why did the Texans keep that chump? It's the type of decision-making that gets a team to the playoffs twice in what, 12 years? 2 playoff games in 2012 and two in 2011 (but it's close - the Pats have only seen 23 playoff games in the same time period).

Andre knows the winning programs in the NFL don't have Texas zip codes. Time to move to a ponderosa in a cooler climate and taste some sweet success, because he knows the only Super Bowl ring he could get while on a Texas team is the one he buys on eBay.

And the elite receivers are always available. Serve up some of your non-homer wisdom and point out an elite receiver that could have been acquired by the Pats at any price other than Moss. Calvin Johnson? Larry Fitzgerald?

MassPats38 said:

Andre Johnson has repeatedly had more dropped passes than Dobson (9), Mr. Objective, and more in his rookie year (10). Why did the Texans keep that chump? It's the type of decision-making that gets a team to the playoffs twice in what, 12 years? 2 playoff games in 2012 and two in 2011 (but it's close - the Pats have only seen 23 playoff games in the same time period).

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You're comparing a guy that played all season to a guy that played like 10 games? Pretty silly comparison or did you not realize that when you asked the question?

And Dobson was playing with a HOFer that was the best offense in the NFL the season prior. Johnson was playing on a 2nd year expansion team with no Oline and David freaking Carr throwing to him.

Do you realize at all how dumb that was for you to ask that?

MassPats38 said:

Andre knows the winning programs in the NFL don't have Texas zip codes. Time to move to a ponderosa in a cooler climate and taste some sweet success, because he knows the only Super Bowl ring he could get while on a Texas team is the one he buys on eBay.

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Reading comprehension is not something you are taking to this thread clearly, because I said from the very beginning that I'd love for a trade between both teams to happen and for Andre Johnson to become a Patriot. I just pointed out why it won't happen and the clear reasons why.

MassPats38 said:

And the elite receivers are always available. Serve up some of your non-homer wisdom and point out an elite receiver that could have been acquired by the Pats at any price other than Moss. Calvin Johnson? Larry Fitzgerald?

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They blew the opportunity to get one obviously at this point. The last two seasons they could have had a crack at Jennings, Wallace, and Desean Jackson. 3 wideouts that would all help this offense tremendously to stretch the defenses. Hell, even Steve Smith would have been a nice upgrade to what is here, although it would have added another midget receiver on this team. Instead they took the much more average receiver in Lefell who isn't anything exciting.


It's been fun guys and gals, but I'll be headed to bed. Look forward to another conversation where you guys can all gang up and insult me and my opinions. Have a good night.

I think this rumor will grow, particularly here on patsfans.com, but the reality is that it's probably going to be a big stretch to think that HOU would want to give up Andre Johnson, along with us being able to afford him--at least for the upcoming year.

As we know, most of these rumors usually don't pan out. That said, anything's always possible, but I personally think it's a bit of a long shot myself. It would be nice to see if it ends up happening.

Rumors of trading for Johnson has to be better than debating how many months Mallett will remain on the team, even if the most prolific poster on the issues hasn't any clue at all what he is talking abou.

mgteich said:

Rumors of trading for Johnson has to be better than debating how many months Mallett will remain on the team, even if the most prolific poster on the issues hasn't any clue at all what he is talking abou.

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As the weather gets warmer into the summer, I actually expect the Mallett rumors to somehow intertwine with those of A.Johnson. It could be one huge blockbuster trade

Texxx said:

Well, sorry if you can't understand or accept reality. It's common sense to any non homer.

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Considering that you don't know what reality is, how can you understand it? Furthermore, you haven't shown one ounce of common sense in this thread. Just spewed lies and bs..