Does this just make too much sense? (Andre Johnson wants out of Houston)

Rob0729 said:

Because the Pats wouldn't inherit a $12 million cap hit. Johnson has a $6.5 million base salary this year. That is what they inherit if they trade for him, not his dead money. They can easily convert part of that base into a bonus to spread it into the final two years of his deal.

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I read that he also has a $1M roster bonus due week 1, so that would go to the team that trades for him too.

Johnson is a 1-year rent-a-player for $6.5M, which would mean a cap of about $3.2M after converting part his salary to a bonus, and $3.3M would hit next year's cap after he was cut after the season.

I think that we'd be fine with him on the roster at this cost. The open question is compensation. How much would we give for a player who would be here one year (in addition to the $6.5M)?

As much I would like the Pats to do it, if Andre Johnson's whole thing is just to get out of Houston then it will be to Cleveland, Philly, NYJ or maybe Miami.

But if he really is serious about a SB might rule those teams out.

As a one-year rental for a mid-round pick, I'd go for it. If he's serious about playing for a contender and is willing to sign here long-term at a reasonable price, then all the better,

Sciz said:

I read that he also has a $1M roster bonus due week 1, so that would go to the team that trades for him too.

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Still insignificant to the team that trades for him including the Pats.

Rob0729 said:

Because the Pats wouldn't inherit a $12 million cap hit. Johnson has a $6.5 million base salary this year. That is what they inherit if they trade for him, not his dead money. They can easily convert part of that base into a bonus to spread it into the final two years of his deal.

They can easily fit him under the cap this year. It his base salary the last two years of his deal which would make it questionable that if the Pats traded for him that he wouldn't be an one year rental.

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How do the Patriots fit their 2014 draft class into the cap assuming your scenario @Rob0729?

If they could get an extension done with him I would trade Garrapolo for him.

ausbacker said:

How do the Patriots fit their 2014 draft class into the cap assuming your scenario @Rob0729?

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You can convert about $4-5 million of Johnson's base into bonus that could get his cap number to around $2-3 million. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats extend McCourty in the upcoming weeks. If they need to, they can convert part of Mankins' salary into bonus.

If the Pats want Johnson and can make a trade for him, his 2014 number is not an issue.

JMC00 said:

Never would happen.

#1- Houston wouldn't give him up for just Mallett, probably would take additional draft picks
#2- Haven't looked at Johnson's contract but i'm guessing unless he agrees to restructure there is no way Pats could get him in under the cap
#3- Don't think Houston would trade him to someone in the conference

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Regarding Johnson's Cap number, he currently counts 15.644M against Houston's cap. 10M of that is Salary and the rest is bonuses. Since the Pats wouldn't have to worry about Johnson's dead money, they could guarantee some of his salary to spread the hit over the 3 years remaining on his contract.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...alistic-compensation-for-ryan-mallet.1110058/

Post #10. Called it last night.

ausbacker said:

How do the Patriots fit their 2014 draft class into the cap assuming your scenario @Rob0729?

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From:http://patscap.com/

"Whenever you hear/read reports that the Pats will need 5 million to sign their 2014 draft class please first review OvertheCap.Com's 2014 rookie pool estimates and Adamjt13's blog post on the rookie pool which I consider the best explanation of how the rookie pool works within the salary cap."

OhExaulted1 said:

From:http://patscap.com/

"Whenever you hear/read reports that the Pats will need 5 million to sign their 2014 draft class please first review OvertheCap.Com's 2014 rookie pool estimates and Adamjt13's blog post on the rookie pool which I consider the best explanation of how the rookie pool works within the salary cap."

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Going by that and what the NFLPA has listed for Pats current cap space they would have $6,185,996 after they sign their draft picks.

If they could get his hit to $2-$3m for this year it isn't of the realm of possibility anymore. In fact if i'm the Pats front office i'm maybe putting a feeler out to the Texans.

DaBruinz said:

Regarding Johnson's Cap number, he currently counts 15.644M against Houston's cap. 10M of that is Salary and the rest is bonuses. Since the Pats wouldn't have to worry about Johnson's dead money, they could guarantee some of his salary to spread the hit over the 3 years remaining on his contract.

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So, if Houston trades him (or cuts him) they basically break even (salary and dead money not spilt into 2015) this year?

I wonder if part of this is an approach by Houston to negotiate a lower salary (similar to Wilfork cleaning out his locker). This whole thing may be essentially smoke by both sides.

Pats are in win now mode, if he's available, you get him. That offense is literally unstoppable with someone like AJ in it.

http://section215.com/2014/01/23/michael-vick-voted-6th-highest-player-players-like-see-superbowl/

"But perhaps no opportunity would be better than if Vick joined Andre Johnson, Arian Foster, and a stacked Texans defense, in Houston, now coached by offensive genius Bill O’Brien, to help give Houston its first Superbowl."

Too late for this now, BUT...not too late for the Jets., who are stacked on defense and have MM the OC genius.

Chance of the Pats signing Andre Johnson? Really? This actually rents space in your heads?

He wants to win so he goes to the Jets to play with the oft injured vick? No that does not compute.

Almost certainly comes here.

This whole thread is laughable. I'd love for the Patriots to get Andre Johnson as he deserves a shot at a SB and this would make the Patriots the possible favorite in the AFC, but

1. The Patriots don't have enough money to take on his contract. Even if he restructured they still wouldn't have that much money as he wouldn't restructure that much money.
2. Houston would take way to much of a hit to do this where it wouldn't be worth it for them when they wouldn't get a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder possibly.
3. Even if the Patriots had the money by far, BB is way to cheap and would never pay Andre Johnson what he would be worth. He simply won't pay wideouts a lot of money. The Moss situation was an exception at the time after he had 23 TD's
4. O'Brien is still trying to keep a job even though he'll get a few years. He isn't going to get rid of his best player on offense for draft picks that aren't that valuable.

Wish it could happen though. If BB would part ways for low enough picks and could afford this, it could help out both teams and AJ would have a true shot at winning a SB.

ausbacker said:

Would someone mind explaining to me how the Patriots are going to fit Andre Johnson's 12 million dollar cap hit into the remaining 7.8 million dollars of remaining cap space whilst signing its 2014 draft class and adding whatever remaining Free Agents the team decides to sign?

The economics don't add up without circumnavigating the cap or moving piece the Texans probably don't want or need.

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because he wouldn't have a 12m cap hit and rookies are, like, 1m

mmasterkillah said:

Contrary to apparent popular belief, this could have some wheels to it.
First off, I am a Patriots fan and Miami Hurricanes fans, so I know this guy like the back of my hand.

Andre Johnson is a leader; a quiet man who keeps to himself and leads by example. Despite many tough years: coaching changes, lack of of solid QBs, lack of secondary targets, etc., Johnson always remained calm and collected and never gave the media much to talk about.

However, last season you could see him visibly frustrated by the offensive play, specifically QB/coaching and overall regression from the successful year prior.

I truly believe that #80 WOULD indeed restructure his contract if a similar scenario arose. His body language last year was an illustration of a frustrated player without an answer.

With his salary, I doubt they'd be able to net much around the league, which to me, at least makes it a POSSIBLE outcome.

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Guarantee he'd restructure, but I don't think he'd do it to where he'd lose that much money that it would probably take.

And we're talking about BB here. He would never pay him what he could be worth for this team even if the cap room was there.

Texxx said:

This whole thread is laughable. I'd love for the Patriots to get Andre Johnson as he deserves a shot at a SB and this would make the Patriots the possible favorite in the AFC, but

1. The Patriots don't have enough money to take on his contract. Even if he restructured they still wouldn't have that much money as he wouldn't restructure that much money.
2. Houston would take way to much of a hit to do this where it wouldn't be worth it for them when they wouldn't get a 1st rounder or even a 2nd rounder possibly.
3. Even if the Patriots had the money by far, BB is way to cheap and would never pay Andre Johnson what he would be worth. He simply won't pay wideouts a lot of money. The Moss situation was an exception at the time after he had 23 TD's
4. O'Brien is still trying to keep a job even though he'll get a few years. He isn't going to get rid of his best player on offense for draft picks that aren't that valuable.

Wish it could happen though. If BB would part ways for low enough picks and could afford this, it could help out both teams and AJ would have a true shot at winning a SB.

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no offense --- don't take this personal, but every one of your points is pure nonsense.
this isn't a knock, but just in case anybody reads this and maybe took it seriously.