Realistic compensation for Ryan Mallet?

I am not sure about this compensation pick talk.

A new Gatorade jug and 2 slightly used blocking sleds

Here is a twist, what do you think Mallet will be looking for in compensation $$$ either here or some where else with his level of experience?

Realistic: A 5th or 6th that can turn into a 5th.
Pushing it: a 4th
Miracle: anything higher than that.

What has this guy shown that he deserves to waste a pick on? Most teams would rather take a QB in the draft they can mold and such... Mallet just didn't pan out and wont bring us much, sadly.

People don't seem to remember how badly Brady and Cassel played in the preseason. It's stunning to judge Mallet off of that. Brady threw 4 interceptions in his last preseason game of 2001, and Cassel looked abysmal in his preseason games. Judging a QB by his preseason games is crazy.

patchick said:

Yes! The most "realistic compensation" is a mid-round COMPENSATORY pick, with the special bonus offer of a year of Mallett's services backing up Tom Brady.

Why would you want to trade him for the same level of pick minus the service?

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It's not that simple. To keep Mallets services you lose someone elses. With or without Mallet there are still only 53 spots in the final roster.

Who do you value more, Mallet, another lineman, receiver, etc.

More often than not we keep 2 quarterbacks because Bill doesn't value the unknown all that highly. Mallet has drawn almost no interest that has been confirmed since joining the NFL, to suggest that he will suddenly sign a deal in the offseason big enough to net us a 3rd or 4th round comp pick is just silly.

If I'm Bill I think I value the roster spot more than banking on Mallet to score a 10m+ deal next March to give us a draft pick 2 years from now.

I either take what I get now or cut him unless JG proves he isn't even remotely close to ready for a #2 role. Otherwise I believe we only carry 2 quarterbacks.

strngplyr said:

More often than not we keep 2 quarterbacks because Bill doesn't value the unknown all that highly.

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I see it totally differently. The Patriots reliably carry 3 quarterbacks in the years that they draft a QB of significance. They "value the unknown" of the developmental quarterback with potential, as well as valuing the readiness of a non-rookie to actually step in and take over a game.

2005: Brady, Flutie, Cassel
2008: Brady, Cassel, O'Connell
2011: Brady, Hoyer, Mallett

It's been 3 more years, it's time.

MrNathanDrake said:

3rd rd pick with a lot of fine print and stipulations

3rd rd turns into 2nd rd pick if Mallet starts more than 10 games this season

3rd rd turns into 1st rd if Mallet starts more than 10 games this season and the Texans make the playoffs


I don't know if this is even possible, but I know there are some trades with heavy stipulations that can turn future draft picks into higher picks if certain goals are met.

I think this is the only way we get a fair trade for Mallet since he's yet to start a game and it's still largely unknown how he will perform in the NFL.

Texans don't really want to go into the season with Ryan Fitzpatrick as their starter, do they?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000349893/article/ryan-mallett-trade-to-houston-texans-still-possible

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Yup, for sure any such trade would have to be a conditional pick model. I think a 2015 2nd rounder is the ceiling (1st is too high) if Mallett hit all of his targets. Probably starts, wins, yardage and TD targets.

It seems like only the Texans want Mallett and he is a FA next year, which is probably why they are playing hardball. I think this just comes down to how much O'Brien wants Mallett for off-season workouts. My guess is he goes for a 4th

strngplyr said:

It's not that simple. To keep Mallets services you lose someone elses. With or without Mallet there are still only 53 spots in the final roster.

Who do you value more, Mallet, another lineman, receiver, etc.

More often than not we keep 2 quarterbacks because Bill doesn't value the unknown all that highly. Mallet has drawn almost no interest that has been confirmed since joining the NFL, to suggest that he will suddenly sign a deal in the offseason big enough to net us a 3rd or 4th round comp pick is just silly.

If I'm Bill I think I value the roster spot more than banking on Mallet to score a 10m+ deal next March to give us a draft pick 2 years from now.

I either take what I get now or cut him unless JG proves he isn't even remotely close to ready for a #2 role. Otherwise I believe we only carry 2 quarterbacks.

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Welker's deal with the Broncos was for $5m, wasn't it?

upstater1 said:

People don't seem to remember how badly Brady and Cassel played in the preseason. It's stunning to judge Mallet off of that. Brady threw 4 interceptions in his last preseason game of 2001, and Cassel looked abysmal in his preseason games. Judging a QB by his preseason games is crazy.

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Brady also looked very good in training camp and in preseason. Patriots basically lucked out with Cassel, he has certainly not lived up to that 2nd round pick compensation, I am not sure if any team would give up any compensation for Cassel now that he has played in the league for a few years.

NFC West and a team talented enough to go 18-1 with great coaching.....

Nunchucks said:

Brady also looked very good in training camp and in preseason. Patriots basically lucked out with Cassel, he has certainly not lived up to that 2nd round pick compensation, I am not sure if any team would give up any compensation for Cassel now that he has played in the league for a few years.

NFC West and a team talented enough to go 18-1 with great coaching.....

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Actually, I made the point that Brady did not look good in preseason. He threw 4 interceptions in his last preseason game prior to the 2001 season. He had 2 games where he didn't show much prior to that, and in his best game that preseason he went 11-17 for 112 yards.

I thought Cassel was horrendous and awful in preseason games, and I thought he would never pan out. He surprised me during that 2008 season. Belichick goes very vanilla on offense in the preseason, and it seems his QBs do not show well.

upstater1 said:

Welker's deal with the Broncos was for $5m, wasn't it?

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The 4th round pick we got was a combination of everyone leaving from Welker to Chung to the Colts OL whose name I forget to the addition of Amendola and Kelly. Way too complicated for me to pretend to understand without someone laying it out in front of me.

That said, to expect Mallet to sign a worthy deal without ever playing a meaningful snap, ESPECIALLY after watching Kolb and Flynn fizz out, is pretty crazy.

Mallets only value is to New England for one more season and the ONLY reason he may be kept around is to ease JG into the job. There will be little to no compensation for him and that is not even worth thinking about as a reason he will potentially have a roster spot.

patchick said:

I see it totally differently. The Patriots reliably carry 3 quarterbacks in the years that they draft a QB of significance. They "value the unknown" of the developmental quarterback with potential, as well as valuing the readiness of a non-rookie to actually step in and take over a game.

2005: Brady, Flutie, Cassel
2008: Brady, Cassel, O'Connell
2011: Brady, Hoyer, Mallett

It's been 3 more years, it's time.

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I don't necessarily disagree in this context. I disagree in the thought process that Mallet will stay around for some sort of potential compensation 2 years from now. His roster spot is not worth a possible comp pick in 2016.

If JG is not ready than Mallet's roster spot certainly has some value.

Edit: I do also want to point out I'm not some delusional fan who thinks that JG is the answer right now without ever seeing him play. I just disagree with the people who see Mallet as some ultra valuable hidden weapon that will save some NFL team from falling into the abyss making him worth 3 first rounders.

Not saying you are either I'm more or less playing devils advocate for arguments sake

sb1 said:

Yup, for sure any such trade would have to be a conditional pick model. I think a 2015 2nd rounder is the ceiling (1st is too high) if Mallett hit all of his targets. Probably starts, wins, yardage and TD targets.

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If Mallett starts all 16 games, leads them to 11 wins, wins a playoff game, makes the Pro Bowl, and is re-signed long term, then is a 1st really too much? That's what's so great about conditional picks. No matter how unlikely the scenario, you can still include it just in case it happens, and the only downside is that it'd limit the Texans' flexibility to trade picks before they know which one would go to the Pats. I don't know the exact details for the Favre-Jets trade, but that could be a good starting point.

Unless I'm missing something, Belichick used a 2nd round pick on a QB

While I'm not crazy about using a 2nd round pick on a guy who HOPEFULLY will NOT contribute in the next 3 years, if not beyond that, what's done is done and Belichick knows more about football than I do

So that being said, we should be HOPING that Garappolo claims what has been the sole backup QB spot in the recent past. (Yes, I know the Pats CAN keep 3 QBs - I'd just prefer Garappolo is good enough to be the sole backup given how Belichick passed on needs to take a guy none of us want to see play)

That would mean that Mallet will be considered a likely camp cut by most GMs

The only way we would get ANY pick for him is if GMs think there will be competition among many teams for his services as a backup QB

They will be mindful that Belichick has effectively determined that Mallet is NOT an adequate backup - more or less destroying any late round trade value - meaning the best case scenario is that Garappolo proves Belichick a genius and as a result Mallet is cut.

How about ship Mallett and a 3rd round pick to Houston in exchange for Andre Johnson?

RabidPatsFan said:

How about ship Mallett and a 3rd round pick to Houston in exchange for Andre Johnson?

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As overblown as I think most of these "what is Mallett worth" scenarios are, including him in a trade that allows the Texans to take care of a problem child, while doing what I expect the Texans would do if Mallett were cut - that is, sign him - isn't out of the realm of possibility.

It's not out of the realm of possibility - but it's also potentially a big game of chicken involving the Patriots not wanting to cut Mallett if someone else truly wants him - the Texans playing a similar game trying to get something for Johnson (with that value dropping the longer he sits out) and the Texans perhaps not wanting to give up anything (and trading Johnson elsewhere) and still grabbing Mallett when he's potentially cut

All entities could come together to address multiple issues making each team and player happy - the draft compensation becomes secondary at that point

I'd say its just a matter of how the Texans decide to play their cards on this one

patchick said:

I see it totally differently. The Patriots reliably carry 3 quarterbacks in the years that they draft a QB of significance. They "value the unknown" of the developmental quarterback with potential, as well as valuing the readiness of a non-rookie to actually step in and take over a game.

2005: Brady, Flutie, Cassel
2008: Brady, Cassel, O'Connell
2011: Brady, Hoyer, Mallett

It's been 3 more years, it's time.

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Funny how that pattern keeps working out, huh?

strngplyr said:

The 4th round pick we got was a combination of everyone leaving from Welker to Chung to the Colts OL whose name I forget to the addition of Amendola and Kelly. Way too complicated for me to pretend to understand without someone laying it out in front of me.

That said, to expect Mallet to sign a worthy deal without ever playing a meaningful snap, ESPECIALLY after watching Kolb and Flynn fizz out, is pretty crazy.

Mallets only value is to New England for one more season and the ONLY reason he may be kept around is to ease JG into the job. There will be little to no compensation for him and that is not even worth thinking about as a reason he will potentially have a roster spot.

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I tend to agree with you that the automatic thought of a mid round comp pick for Ryan Mallett in 2016 is a bit of a stretch. I'm hoping that we end up with a late round pick myself, but who knows? The player (OL) you are thinking of was Donald Thomas, who the Indy Colts signed to start, so that helped; as did the situations of Welker and Woodhead as well.