Brady or Belichick?

Who do you think is better, Brady as a QB or BB as a coach? I asked this to Bedard a while back in one of his chats and this is what he said:

"Great question. Until BB wins a title without Brady -- and I think Belichick would like to try that -- most people will say Brady was the straw, even though I don't subscribe to that. Some people do. "

I know its an uncomfortable question and they are both all time greats IMO. And i'm not asking which title is more valuable to a teams success, QB or HC, cause that is different.

I think its BB but concede that i could be wrong.

No BB and there is no TB to save the Pats season after Bledsoe went down..... but then again with out Mo lewis TB doesn't get his chance to shine....

I think both BB and Brady benefit from the greatness of each other. I also think they were the best at their respective positions in their respective eras.

I voted for BB. I can't think of a better coach in the history of the game. (Even Lombardi.) Tom is the GOAT of this era, but I still can't make up my mind up him and Montana. And then there's Baugh and Graham. Them I can't even figure out how to compare.

Tom might be a victim in this vote just due to how much more difficult it is to evaluate his excellence than BB.

Although Brady was a very important component in the 2001 climb to SB victory, that championship was all BB. And I will go to my grave believing that Seymour was the key player for that team, even as a rookie. Yes, that D was stacked with the best Pats talent in our life time, but I believe once Seymour broke into the starting lineup, BB could then deploy D schemes based on the opponent....and morph they did.
As far as Brady's greatness vs BB....gotta give the nod to the guy who steered Brady and guided him through his development years. And lets not forget Charlie Weiss. That era of Pats offense took what the D gave them and Weiss was the master at keeping D's off balance.......far different than the last 7 years of pass-centric offenses.

Trick question. Did Montana make Walsh/Siefert or vice- versa. Now use Bradshaw and Knoll. Now Lombardi and Starr. Paul Brown and Otto Graham.
The answer is "Yes."

It's a tough and, in many ways, unanswerable question, since we have no way of knowing how TB would have done in the NFL without BB.

But, we do have evidence that Belichick was a world class NFL coach without Brady; in fact, many credit much of Bill Parcells' success to BB's work as his DC or Assistant HC. So, based on that, I ticked "BB as coach" and noted that the poll does not stipulate "BB as Head Coach" or "BB as Patriots HC," but just "BB as coach."

BB's defensive game plan v. the Bills in the Super Bowl is in the hall of fame, parcells won nothing without him, not even division championship

I think Bill is a good coach. Does a lot of things well. Smart. Knows the game really well. There's not much to not like about him. There's a good reason why people think he's one of the all time great coaches.

I love Brady and I'm not suggesting BB could have done what they have done with any QB, but TB w/out BB is just a very good QB while BB w/out TB is still a great HC.

BTW, if TB had not been drafted by the Pats, I think there is a chance he has a very short pro career. Maybe none. BB carried TB as a FOURTH QB. That doesn't happen often. BB replaced the franchise QB with this fourth QB. That hardly ever happens.

The measure is 2008. No playoffs and a wicked weak schedule, etc. Still, I can't see a BB coached team being an also-ran (like, say the Bills). Other than year one here, years 1 and 2 in Cleveland he has never gone less than 8-8 unless the owner announces the team is moving mid-season.

I wanted to select Belichick but without Brady, I don't see how the 2006 team makes the AFC Championship game, the 2011 team makes the Super Bowl or the 2013 team makes the AFC Championship game.

Truthfully, I can't separate one from the other but I went with Brady because it's unlikely we'll see a Quarterback of his caliber starting for New England in the foreseeable future.

part-timer said:

No BB and there is no TB to save the Pats season after Bledsoe went down..... but then again with out Mo lewis TB doesn't get his chance to shine....

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Well, how many coaches would keep 4 QBs in the first place. I do think BB would have replaced Drew even though I was a big Drew guy. I think like all great teams its a symbiotic relationship, both are great and it doesn't make much sense to elevate either one.

I am surprised how many feel Belichick is greater than Brady is, Belichick had a 36-44 record during his tenure with Cleveland, a 5-11 record his first season as the Patriots head coach, and started 0-2 in 2001 before Brady took the helm. I think they are both great but just looking at the full scope Brady is the constant when it comes to Belichick having a winning record (not to say Belichick is not the constant for Brady).

BB is the greatest coach ever, but he needs Brady. This is no slight, Walsh doesn't win multiple championships without Montana. Every great coach needs great players around them. For the long-trm BB is more important for the short-term Brady is more important (if that makes sense)

Brady6 said:

I am surprised how many feel Belichick is greater than Brady is, Belichick had a 36-44 record during his tenure with Cleveland, a 5-11 record his first season as the Patriots head coach, and started 0-2 in 2001 before Brady took the helm. I think they are both great but just looking at the full scope Brady is the constant when it comes to Belichick having a winning record (not to say Belichick is not the constant for Brady).

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I think Belichick's record as a coach in Cleveland doesn't really fairly reflect the job that he actually did with them.

We also saw the Brady-less Patriots go 11-5 in 2008...

Brady of course, he is the reason New England has a winning record for so long.

He is simply that good, there will never be a game where Brady goes into the field without a chance to win, even surrounded by scrubs.

I'd say brady is probably the better qb, but bill is the better coach

part-timer said:

No BB and there is no TB to save the Pats season after Bledsoe went down..... but then again with out Mo lewis TB doesn't get his chance to shine....

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That's an oft-repeated phrase, but in reality Belichick would have made the change very soon with or without that injury. BB almost made the switch coming out of training camp in 2001; between the way Bledsoe had played in 2000 and how Brady had looked in camp in '01, the change was inevitable.

Belichick wrote the blueprints on how to beat the K-Gun offense, the west coast offense, Tebow's read option, and of course the Greatest Show on Turf. He also exposed Bledsoe when he was Jets DC.

If the unthinkable happens and he and Brady are on opposite sides of the field someday... it'll be fascinating to see what BB comes up with to stop Brady.

Brady would make a better Coach right now than BB would make a QB right now.