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Why is everyone assuming 3 QBs? I say cut/trade Mallet


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I think we would be better off throwing Garoppolo into the fire and let him sink or swim. It would be good experience for him anyway and he could certainly use it if they want him to be the franchise after Brady retires.

Mixed metaphors notwithstanding, throwing young quarterbacks into the fire is the opposite of the way BB has developed Cassell, Hoyer and Mallet.

Considering he's managed to take 7th rounders and UDFA and turn them into NFL quarterbacks, while other teams have turned number one picks into Don Knotts, I think I'd go along with having the backups learn and compete.
 
Brady looked bad in preseason. Cassel looked bad in preseason. Mallet looked bad in preseason. Garoppolo will probably look bad in preseason. In Brady's last preseason game of the 2001 Super Bowl year, he threw four interceptions, as Bledsoe's backup. He had two non-descript games in which he did nothing, and one game (his best) in which he was 11-17 for 122 yards.

Really, what does QB play in preseason tell us? Practically nothing.

Speaking of bringing QBs along, since I just found this and posted the article in another thread, BB actually had Huard as the backup to Bledsoe out of training camp because Brady didn't have experience. When Bledsoe went down, Brady got a battlefield promotion because BB thought he was the best talent.
 
I still want to know who agrees with me on Garopollo ... mysterious turf toe IR for 2014/2015.

I don't see how it can be any other way besides a different phantom injury of course.

This offense is difficult ... way difficult and we don't chance the flash card system IMO.
 
Why would they cut a future multiple time All-Pro and the obvious successor to Brady as the G.O.A.T.?

Exactly. After all, I've heard on this board that teams have been offering to trade 1st round picks for years for Ryan Mallett.
 
Brady looked bad in preseason. Cassel looked bad in preseason. Mallet looked bad in preseason. Garoppolo will probably look bad in preseason. In Brady's last preseason game of the 2001 Super Bowl year, he threw four interceptions, as Bledsoe's backup. He had two non-descript games in which he did nothing, and one game (his best) in which he was 11-17 for 122 yards.

Really, what does QB play in preseason tell us? Practically nothing.

Well, Rohan Davey was a preseason stud and he's had a successful career spanning over a decade in professional football*.
 
there is a better chance of the pats getting a first round pick for mallet, then there is of the team cutting him this year.
 
I dont like the idea of carrying 3 QBs for 2014 but thats whats going to happen unless Mallets lights it up in pre season because nobody wants to give NE their asking price for Mallet right now. I believe teams are leery of trading for a NE QB after Bledsoe, Cassel, Hoyer, Klingsbury, Gutuerez, so why would Mallet be any different?

If Mallet is just amazing in pre season and the talk of ESPN and NFLN and a team loses its QB to injury this year, then I could see Mallet traded in 2014. Otherwise, Mallet wants to play and will be cut next year because Brady has a couple of years left. Its similar to the Farve - Rodgers situation in GB. Somebody has to go and the timing for Jimmy G to succeed Brady is more conducive.
 
Also to someone else here. So what if he sinks? If he does, that to me is concerning but you need to give him experience. He is a 2nd round pick and I expect him to play as such and show something. I am not a believer in "but what if he preforms bad and loses his confidence". If he is that emotionally fragile he was never going to make it anyway. Also you can't wrap guys in foam cause you are afraid of them getting injured.

I don't believe Tom Brady would be the player he is today if he was thrown into the fire. Obviously different draft circumstances and there's no pressure to play him with Drew, but that first year was crucial to his development. He needed to get stronger, and his biggest advantage is his brain, which needed time to absorb the playbook. He definitely would have sank his first year. Does that make him emotionally fragile?

Fans get so caught up in fantasy narratives of football players that they ignore all common sense. You wouldn't let the kid out of college run the most important department in your company, but you're okay throwing a second-round pick into the fire unprepared because hey, sink or swim.

Well teams sink if they think like that. An injury doesn't have to last the entire year, and how you handle a few games without your starter can make a difference. The Packers won't make the play-offs last season if Matt Flynn doesn't go 2-2 while Rodgers is out. He did just enough to give Rodgers a chance to come back that last week and win a game to make the play-offs. If Caleb Hanie could have done the same in 2011 when Jay Cutler broke his thumb, they would have made the play-offs which would have given Cutler enough time to come back. Instead, he went 0-4 and the team was eliminated. They went to Josh McCown way too late because they wanted to let the kid sink or swim. He sank their season.

We are not the Jacksonville Jaguars. You can't just throw kids out there and go 2-14 over and over and over again hoping you find the right guy. This franchise has fans freaking out when we go 12-4 and lose in the AFCCG.

Lots of people have killed the pick, and I get it, it's not immediate help on the field. But all of you overlook the fact that it's really hard to find and develop a good QB. Lots of teams try every year with mixed results. The Packers hit on Rodgers (this board would implode if we spent a 1st on a QB who sat for 3 or 4 years), missed on Brohm. The Ravens missed on Boller, hit on Flacco. The 49ers eventually got something out of Alex Smith but clearly regret that pick, and got something out of Kaep. The Seahawks signed Matt Flynn to a large contract, then got lucky with Russell Wilson. Ditto the Eagles and Mike Vick and Nick Foles. And these are some of the better organizations in the NFL.

Look at the dregs, the Jaguars and Browns and Bills who search for over a decade for anything resembling a competent QB. Talk to the Dolphins, who haven't found anything close to Marino since he retired. The Broncos never came close to finding another Elway in the draft, relying on free agency to fill the void in a once-in-a-lifetime situation.

It's not like we just wait until Brady retires, then order another one from eBay. Good QBs are not easy to find, especially at the back of the draft like we usually are. Sometimes you're #1 and you get an Andrew Luck. But sometimes you're #1 and you get David Carr or Jamarcus Russell, or nobody deserving of a #1 and you end up hoping to trade down to get someone like Blake Bortles or Johnny Football.

I don't know why so many people think it's going to be easy to find a Pro Bowl QB.
 
The problem with a lot of those mediocre teams you mention compared to, say, the Seahawks is that they kept throwing out the same mediocre guy - Gabbert, Losman, Fitzpatrick - for a couple years hoping he would develop (I would also argue that the Jaguars had a few years of sustained success with Garrard at the helm, he just fell off a cliff after his injury).

The Seahawks brought in a bunch of possible starters for a relative bargain and tried them all out before settling on Wilson. The Eagles had Vick to steady the position while they tried out Kolb, Foles, and Barkley.

The Browns did the right thing giving up on McCoy and Weeden relatively quickly and moving onto the next one because those guys were clearly not it.

It's not easy to find a QB who can win a Super Bowl, but the way to do it is quantity rather than sticking with "one guy."
 
Several possibilities...

1) JAG has a normal 1st camp positive QB learning experience (like 2000 Brady's). BB keeps The Hammah because rook is learning the system and has yet to show objectively that he can inspire coaching confidence as a guy who can finish a game or make a couple starts with a chance to win.

2) Hammah screws the pooch in camp such that coach has little faith in him as a viable backup. As long as JAG isnt demonstrably worse, The Hammah is cut or traded for a late 2015 conditional.

3) JAG shows well in camp, grasping the playbook and executes showing good decision making. However unlikely for a rook, this means Hammah expendable as in 2.

4) Both suck in camp. BB fires self as GM.

I'm betting on #1.
 
Cutting him would be stupid. If he leaves next year, at least we have a chance for a compensatory pick.
It would be an extremely low-round pick, so it probably won't be worth it. You don't give a guy one of your precious few roster spots just so you can hold him for a season and get a compensatory 6th round draft pick.

After the 1st round this year, I said the Patriots would draft a QB, either Mettenberger or McCarron, then cut Mallett by the start of the season. While I obviously didn't predict the correct QB, I stand by the rest of that prediction - assuming they can't find any willing trade partners, that is. And Mallett's trade value just keeps going down and down. At this point the very best they'll do is a day-3 pick and I'd be surprised if they get anything better than a 6th.
 
I think we will see a hefty dose of Mallett in preseason....With injuries and some rookie disappointments, Mallett will be moved...Roster spots at the 53 cut down will be VARY valuable...too valuable for the luxury of a third QB....But the return on value may not be what is desired...
 
Maybe we get lucky and Mallett lights it up in preseason....Hey its possible....Maybe...
 
Seems it's totally dead at this stage -- I guess Jason Licht brought Lovie to his senses -- but I really liked the idea of snagging Glennon. A 6'6" QB with starting experience (and not completely w/o success) and some 3yrs left on his rookie deal would have been an awfully nice complement to Garoppolo in that stable.
 
I think there is a good likelihood we don't carry Mallet into the season on the 53. He is only going to be here for one year anyway and if we can't trade him by the end of camp why would we carry him?

Yes he knows the system, yes he he knows how to run the practice. However is that worth a roster spot when we know he will be gone next year? I certainly don't think so. At this point i would look to give Garoppolo as many reps as possible and if Brady goes down what has mallet ever done to show he can carry us to a few wins in his absence. I think we would be better off throwing Garoppolo into the fire and let him sink or swim. It would be good experience for him anyway and he could certainly use it if they want him to be the franchise after Brady retires.

Let's see if he can play first. They guy hasn't attended a single practice and we've got stuff like this flying around.

A decision like this MIGHT be made if Mallett is out-classed in preseason but if Garoppolo shows growing pains, we are carrying three QBs with no doubt. We need that experience.

You're so casual about this in saying it I'd be scared if you were running that FO!

Why does this fan base think finding QBs is that easy? It isn't.
 
I still want to know who agrees with me on Garopollo ... mysterious turf toe IR for 2014/2015.

I don't see how it can be any other way besides a different phantom injury of course.

This offense is difficult ... way difficult and we don't chance the flash card system IMO.

Disagree. I can see him being inactive for all 16 games and play-offs if things go as planned, but he needs to be on the practice field to transform film study into visual/kinectic memory. He needs practice time. The CBA prohibits IR'ed players from getting on the practice field. If IR'ed, he can stay in the film room, stay in the meeting room, and live in the weight room, but he can't get live reps and make mistakes on Wednesday.
 
I may be wrong here, but didn't the Patriots only carry 2 QBs with Hoyer as a rookie?
 
It would be an extremely low-round pick, so it probably won't be worth it. You don't give a guy one of your precious few roster spots just so you can hold him for a season and get a compensatory 6th round draft pick.

After the 1st round this year, I said the Patriots would draft a QB, either Mettenberger or McCarron, then cut Mallett by the start of the season. While I obviously didn't predict the correct QB, I stand by the rest of that prediction - assuming they can't find any willing trade partners, that is. And Mallett's trade value just keeps going down and down. At this point the very best they'll do is a day-3 pick and I'd be surprised if they get anything better than a 6th.

Why extremely low? Have you seen some of these backup QB contracts?

Dan Orlovsky was making $3 million a year as a #3 and he played all years of that contract.

Does anyone doubt that Mallet can grab a $4m a year contract on the open market?
 
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