The Most Questionable 2014 Draft Choice

Brady6 · May 12, 2014

DaBruinz said:
What proof do you have that the Pats were going to take Allen Robinson? OH, that's right. You don't have any proof..

None what proof do you have that they were not going? Considering Jacksonville traded into #61 to draft him that would indicate that they were trying to be in front of New England.
I have more proof to support my belief in the fact that Jacksonville traded in front of us than you do to support your belief.

BradyFTW! · May 12, 2014

DaBruinz said:
What proof do you have that the Pats were going to take Allen Robinson? OH, that's right. You don't have any proof..

Of course there's no proof, B6 was clearly speculating and he clearly said as much. FWIW, though, drafting Robinson would have made a lot of sense. Coached by BOB, and exactly the kind of receiver/athlete that we need more of. In a typical draft, a guy of his talent wouldn't have been available at #63.

It's not the end of the world that we didn't get him--especially if Dobson and LaFell work out--but as far as speculation goes, it makes sense. Plus the Pats couldn't realistically have predicted how crazy the run on WRs would get in round 2. That was nuts; coming out of the first round, it would have been entirely reasonable for them to predict--if they were targeting a WR at all--that at least one of the guys they wanted would fall to them.

Brady6 · May 12, 2014

DaBruinz said:
More BS by you. You are the mindless poster here and have shown that fact since the day you started posting on here. Your ignorance exceeds Rex Ryan's fetish for feet.

You're a liar with this claim. First off, I said the pick was ok. Unlike you, I understand WHY it was done. And your claim that I have never objected to something that Belichick has done is complete BS on your part. There have be plenty of things I have disagreed with him on. Just because you started following the Pats last year doesn't change that fact.

You are a buffoon. The only "significant time" you have spent is reading sites online and looking at highlights on youtube. You haven't looked at a single Coach's All-22 on any player. So, all you are doing is googling players and regurgitating the words of people who are not scouts. I may not have spent time in the draft forum prior to the draft, but that doesn't mean I haven't looked at players, watched games, or read stuff. As for making up my own mind, I've not offered up one assessment as to whether a player will be good or not on any player the Pats drafted. And I haven't done this because my EXPERIENCE over the past 15 years of following the draft and, in particular, the Pats drafting process, is that anything can happen. Players get injured. Players have secrets that they've kept hidden. That there are plenty of things that we as fans never know about because teams don't say how interviews go.

I'm not "riding on the fact that Belichick made the pick". If you could actually comprehend what was being said, you'd know that I said the pick was OK. And I said it was OK because I understand WHY it was being done.

You've already established that you are a "GRATIFICATION NOW" guy and you couldn't give a damn about the future.

BTW, you're claim that I'm not a fan is as laughable as your ability to have a cogent conversation.

You are the most predictable and nonobjective poster on this board. You know nothing you claim to know, you hang everything you say on Belichick being your god, do not try to argue otherwise because it just makes you look even more delusional. Reread some of your own posts over the last year if you do not believe me, you freaking defend everything it is nauseating.

I grimace when I see your user name because I know exactly what it is going to be. You are going to tell any poster that does not view what Belichick did as a positive that they are an idiot, they know nothing about football, call them Ms. Cleo, and like a dog with a bone just keep going and going endlessly in your circle of nonsense that ends with nothing but it makes sense because Belichick did it.

You do not think for yourself, so how do you even know if you were a fan, you would have to ask Belichick first.

DaBruinz · May 12, 2014

FreeTedWilliams said:
He is not that GOOD!!!! Mallet is a better QB. He played in the Ohio Valley Conference for Pet's sake! That is a tick above the Hobomock League on the South Shore!

Here are his stats:

08/31@SDGSTW 40-19463167.43617.8304205.00
09/07@SILW 40-37563460.74407.941520.40
09/14ILSTW 57-24412663.448011.7705-11-2.20
09/21@NILLL 39-43493469.44509.2628-22-2.80
09/28EKYW 42-7392666.73228.3312136.50
10/10@APW 63-7302170.030610.250263.01
10/19SEMOSTW 55-33302273.337612.5325214.20
10/26@TNSTW 34-16412458.541010.0414-23-5.80
11/02TNTECHW 56-21503366.03998.0414-6-1.50
11/09@MURYSTW 37-17402870.02997.5106335.51
11/16JAXSTW 52-14241562.51697.0207142.00
11/23@TNMARTW 70-22462656.547710.4602-1-0.50
12/07TNSTW 51-10261765.42409.231640.7
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12/13TWSTL 39-49503876.03216.42010121.2

I'm still trying to figure out
who the hell half of these teams are! I figured Northern Illinois is a decent (lower tier program) I see he lost the them. It looks like whoever TWST (Townsen State???) is, they kept him in check. Good god he has played against ANYOBODY!!! And don't bring up Tony Romo, yes he broke Romo's records here, but please remember ROMO WENT UNDRAFTED!!!!! (and he still stinks).

Have you actually watched him play? Clearly you haven't. Belichick, McDaniels and the scouts have. Both in person and on the Coach's All-22.

Why can't Garoppolo be another Kurt Warner??? You do realize that Warner played in 1-AA as well, yes?
Just because Romo and Warner went Undrafted has no bearing on Garoppolo's draft status. That is just plain ignorance talking.

BTW, if you are going to post stats, why don't you post them in a table so they can be comprehended. What you posted is literally unreadable. Furthermore, losing by 4 points to a nationally ranked Division 1 team isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Not to mention, you can't tell from just the stats who was to blame for the loss.

I'm not predicting good or bad from Garoppolo. I am understanding the reasoning behind the pick. Which really should be all that matters right now. Any predictions by anyone, good or bad, is going to be as accurate a guessing the Lottery numbers for tomorrow night.

PATSYLICIOUS · May 12, 2014

Rob0729 said:
The risk is overstated. Look at Frank Gore. Tore both his ACLs in college and never had a major injury in his 9 years in the NFL. Ben Volin interviewed an orthopedic surgeon who said the chances of him tearing his ACL again as an NFL player is around 10-15% which isn't all that much higher than a player who never has torn an ACL.

The ACL isn't the issue for me as much as the fact that he's had 2 major injuries within a few years. Guys who have trouble staying on the field in any form are always a risk.

DaBruinz · May 12, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
Of course there's no proof, B6 was clearly speculating and he clearly said as much. FWIW, though, drafting Robinson would have made a lot of sense. Coached by BOB, and exactly the kind of receiver/athlete that we need more of. In a typical draft, a guy of his talent wouldn't have been available at #63.

Wrong. Go back and read his convoluted sentence. He states that Robinson was to be the Patriots pick until Jacksonville jumped in front of the Patriots. The speculation was that the Pats went with Garoppolo to screw with Houston or force Houston's hand on the Mallett deal.

Drafting Robinson would have made no sense since the Pats had spent over $20 Million on the WR position in the last year.

Brady6 · May 12, 2014

yukon cornelius said:
i just don't see anyone there that would have done any more to maximize that than the mix they have now

aside from mortgaging the future to trade up, which i am glad they did not do, i don't see any move they could have made with this draft where they were that makes me think they sacrificed the opportunity to win now

I would have taken CJ Fiedorowicz, he would have been able to play the Y-TE position day one and is an exceptional blocker this would have allowed us to move Gronkowski around as the flex TE. Alternatively, I would have taken Marcus Martin and added a superior talent at the center position then the talent we got at #105.

I would have draft David Fales at #183 to fill the backup QB need. Garoppolo is not the future of this team in my opinion, if you ask me he is going to be a repeat of Ryan Mallett, and we are still going to have to draft a replacement for Brady in a future draft. Fales would have been a serviceable backup for the next few years.

BradyFTW! · May 12, 2014

DaBruinz said:
Wrong. Go back and read his convoluted sentence. He states that Robinson was to be the Patriots pick until Jacksonville jumped in front of the Patriots. The speculation was that the Pats went with Garoppolo to screw with Houston or force Houston's hand on the Mallett deal.

Drafting Robinson would have made no sense since the Pats had spent over $20 Million on the WR position in the last year.

Ok, I'm going to make this really simple for you. This is what he posted:

"It was not needed, we have Ryan Mallett. In addition we could have drafted a QB later in the draft. Belichick in my opinion either was trying to force O'Brien and Houston's hand or got pissed off during the trade talks for Mallett so they took the player they were targeting at #65, because we were actually going to take Allen Robinson but Jacksonville jumped in front of us."

Are you aware of what "in my opinion" means? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you were so eager to tell him how wrong he was that you failed to actually read the post that you were quoting. You do that quite a bit.

In any case, I'm not going to be responding to any further posts by you on this thread, so if you want to interpret that as a victory, then go right ahead and do that. After 7 years here, I recognize that it would be easier to headbutt my way through a wall than convince you to respect a reasonable position through civil, constructive conversation. In the mean time, try not to wear out the dislike button or the Miss Cleo analogies (seriously, that's at least two in the past couple of days).

DaBruinz · May 12, 2014

Brady6 said:
You are the most predictable and nonobjective poster on this board. You know nothing you claim to know, you hang everything you say on Belichick being your god, do not try to argue otherwise because it just makes you look even more delusional. Reread some of your own posts over the last year if you do not believe me, you freaking defend everything it is nauseating.

I grimace when I see your user name because I know exactly what it is going to be. You are going to tell any poster that does not view what Belichick did as a positive that they are an idiot, they know nothing about football, call them Ms. Cleo, and like a dog with a bone just keep going and going endlessly in your circle of nonsense that ends with nothing but it makes sense because Belichick did it.

You do not think for yourself, so how do you even know if you were a fan, you would have to ask Belichick first.

More BS lies on your part, Brady6. You clearly don't know what you are talking about when it comes to anyone else's opinion, especially my own.

You are the one who is delusional. I don't need to re-read my posts because I don't DEFEND everything. That is your lies because you can't seem to do anything but that.

I call people "Ms. Cleo" when they make predictions based on absolutely nothing at all. Kind of like you have done.

You are the one who doesn't think for yourself. You sit there and regurgitate particular websites as if they are gospel when, in reality, they are more wrong than right. Mock Drafts don't actually predict how a player will do in the NFL. They only predict which team is willing to take a flyer on a particular player. Some of the websites are better than others, but none of them compare to Joel Buschbaum. Not Kiper. Not Mayock. Not Narwocki. Not the conglomeration at NFLDraftscout.com.

The only one I've called an idiot lately is you. Because, that is what you are.

You are the one with the endless circle of nonsense. One only has to look at your BS regarding Danny Amendola to understand that.

makoute · May 12, 2014

DaBruinz said:
Wrong. Go back and read his convoluted sentence. He states that Robinson was to be the Patriots pick until Jacksonville jumped in front of the Patriots. The speculation was that the Pats went with Garoppolo to screw with Houston or force Houston's hand on the Mallett deal.

Drafting Robinson would have made no sense since the Pats had spent over $20 Million on the WR position in the last year.

Along with a second and fourth round draft pick during that time period.

yukon cornelius · May 12, 2014

Brady6 said:
I would have taken CJ Fiedorowicz, he would have been able to play the Y-TE position day one and is an exceptional blocker this would have allowed us to move Gronkowski around as the flex TE. Alternatively, I would have taken Marcus Martin and added a superior talent at the center position then the talent we got at #105.

I would have draft David Fales at #183 to fill the backup QB need. Garoppolo is not the future of this team in my opinion, if you ask me he is going to be a repeat of Ryan Mallett, and we are still going to have to draft a replacement for Brady in a future draft. Fales would have been a serviceable backup for the next few years.

he has a bunch of question marks, too (CJF), least not of which is his ability to digest the playbook and his work ethic.....two black marks in this organization

my guess is still keller signs, because i expected a TE higher as well

SHOWTIME15 · May 12, 2014

yukon cornelius said:
he has a bunch of question marks, too (CJF), least not of which is his ability to digest the playbook and his work ethic.....two black marks in this organization

my guess is still keller signs, because i expected a TE higher as well

Keller may sign but he's not a long term solution. He'll get you about 500 yards and 4-5 TDs, but he won't be another aaron hernandez on the field.

DaBruinz · May 12, 2014

BradyFTW! said:
Ok, I'm going to make this really simple for you. This is what he posted:

"It was not needed, we have Ryan Mallett. In addition we could have drafted a QB later in the draft. Belichick in my opinion either was trying to force O'Brien and Houston's hand or got pissed off during the trade talks for Mallett so they took the player they were targeting at #65, because we were actually going to take Allen Robinson but Jacksonville jumped in front of us."

Are you aware of what "in my opinion" means? I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and assume that you were so eager to tell him how wrong he was that you failed to actually read the post that you were quoting. You do that quite a bit.

You see that comma after #65? That means that the action of the first doesn't apply to the second part. The "in his opinion" applies to trying to force "O'Brien and Houston's hand or got pissed off during the trade talks for Mallett".

Now, had Brady6 said the following:
In my opinion, we were going to take Allen Robinson until Jacksonville move ahead of us. Then either in an attempt to force O'Brien and Houston's hand or because he got pissed off during the trade talks for Mallett, Bill decided to take the player that they (Houston) were targeting at #65.

BradyFTW! said:
In any case, I'm not going to be responding to any further posts by you on this thread, so if you want to interpret that as a victory, then go right ahead and do that. After 7 years here, though, I recognize that it would be easier to headbutt my way through a wall than convince you of a rational position through civil debate.

You could convince me of a "rational position" if the person you were referring to had actually made one. Unfortunately, he didn't. That's not your fault. That's his.

PatsWickedPissah · May 12, 2014

If we stick to what seemingly is BB's belief it seems he's saying that no TE or other position of need available at the time was worth it. Maybe he's seen Harrison stepping up or thinks he'll sign Keller or he thinks UDFA can upgrade the position. I hope he's right. I'm less concerned about backup LB because mgteich and others are convincing me that BB has transitioned to a defense that uses fewer LBs. Would like one more rotational LB though, a possible training camp vet cut from another team because a younger cheaper guy with more upside beat him out.

yukon cornelius · May 12, 2014

TommyBrady12 said:
Keller may sign but he's not a long term solution. He'll get you about 500 yards and 4-5 TDs, but he won't be another aaron hernandez on the field.

nor would CJF have been.....and there's a good chance, based on his college career and the comments on his work ethic/playbook smarts, he might have taken a few years to develop.....so if we are talking impact this year, which brady6 was, keller might be the better option than taking CJF, the last decent TE available at the time the 2nd round pick

yukon cornelius · May 12, 2014

PatsWickedPissah said:
If we stick to what seemingly is BB's belief it seems he's saying that no TE or other position of need available at the time was worth it. Maybe he's seen Harrison stepping up or thinks he'll sign Keller or he thinks UDFA can upgrade the position. I hope he's right. I'm less concerned about backup LB because mgteich & at hers are convincing me that BB has transitioned to a defense that uses fewer LBs. Would like one more rotational LB though, a possible training camp vet cut from another team because a younger cheaper guy with more upside beat him out.

BB has shown a propensity towards older, experienced LB's (although the past few drafts had gone a ways towards dispelling this notion), especially in the depth roles....so this may make sense

Brady6 · May 12, 2014

DaBruinz said:
More BS lies on your part, Brady6. You clearly don't know what you are talking about when it comes to anyone else's opinion, especially my own.

You are the one who is delusional. I don't need to re-read my posts because I don't DEFEND everything. That is your lies because you can't seem to do anything but that.

I call people "Ms. Cleo" when they make predictions based on absolutely nothing at all. Kind of like you have done.

You are the one who doesn't think for yourself. You sit there and regurgitate particular websites as if they are gospel when, in reality, they are more wrong than right. Mock Drafts don't actually predict how a player will do in the NFL. They only predict which team is willing to take a flyer on a particular player. Some of the websites are better than others, but none of them compare to Joel Buschbaum. Not Kiper. Not Mayock. Not Narwocki. Not the conglomeration at NFLDraftscout.com.

The only one I've called an idiot lately is you. Because, that is what you are.

You are the one with the endless circle of nonsense. One only has to look at your BS regarding Danny Amendola to understand that.

DB look in the draft forum, I posted more than a hundred mocks over the past 3-4 months, I made them myself, and outlined why I felt they would make sense, so give it a rest, I do not quote anyone, I reference sites because that is what you are supposed to do when giving metrics or data.

You should not be calling anyone an idiot that is childish and immature. As far as Amendola everything I said about him was factual, and we will see in 2014 if it really was the groin, or if he can stay healthy. If he does not though I fully expect you to say things will be different in 2015 and I am an idiot for suggesting the team might move on after 2014, I mean what would this board be without you spewing hate at anyone who dares to voice their self-thought-out opinion.

JMC00 · May 12, 2014

TommyBrady12 said:
Keller may sign but he's not a long term solution. He'll get you about 500 yards and 4-5 TDs, but he won't be another aaron hernandez on the field.

Which is all they need. They just need a TE that isn't just a complete non-factor in the passing game.

AzorianPats · May 12, 2014

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...nds-with-vikings-as-result-of-careful-qb-hunt

According to Burt Breer, if the Vikings couldn't have landed Manziel or Bridgewater, they were willing to take Garrapolo at #40

Brady6 · May 12, 2014

DaBruinz said:
Wrong. Go back and read his convoluted sentence. He states that Robinson was to be the Patriots pick until Jacksonville jumped in front of the Patriots. The speculation was that the Pats went with Garoppolo to screw with Houston or force Houston's hand on the Mallett deal.

Drafting Robinson would have made no sense since the Pats had spent over $20 Million on the WR position in the last year.

This is what I said, emphasis on the “in my opinion”.

Belichick in my opinion either was trying to force O'Brien and Houston's hand or got pissed off during the trade talks for Mallett so they took the player they were targeting at #65, because we were actually going to take Allen Robinson but Jacksonville jumped in front of us.

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