The Most Questionable 2014 Draft Choice

Since we have so many draftniks here, I'd like to know where Jimmy Garoppolo would have been taken if the Pats didn't take him at #62?

AzorianPats said:

I don't know, nor do I pretend to know. That's why I put all my faith with BB and co.

Draft is a crap shoot.

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Around 36% of the players drafted between 2008-2013 are still on the Patriots. Belichick is not flawless, so I would caution you on just agreeing with everything he does.

1960Pats said:

Since we have so many draftniks here, I'd like to know where Jimmy Garoppolo would have been taken if the Pats didn't take him at #62?

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#65 to Houston.

FreeTedWilliams said:

He is not that GOOD!!!! Mallet is a better QB. He played in the Ohio Valley Conference for Pet's sake! That is a tick above the Hobomock League on the South Shore!

Here are his stats:

08/31@SDGSTW 40-19463167.43617.8304205.00
09/07@SILW 40-37563460.74407.941520.40
09/14ILSTW 57-24412663.448011.7705-11-2.20
09/21@NILLL 39-43493469.44509.2628-22-2.80
09/28EKYW 42-7392666.73228.3312136.50
10/10@APW 63-7302170.030610.250263.01
10/19SEMOSTW 55-33302273.337612.5325214.20
10/26@TNSTW 34-16412458.541010.0414-23-5.80
11/02TNTECHW 56-21503366.03998.0414-6-1.50
11/09@MURYSTW 37-17402870.02997.5106335.51
11/16JAXSTW 52-14241562.51697.0207142.00
11/23@TNMARTW 70-22462656.547710.4602-1-0.50
12/07TNSTW 51-10261765.42409.231640.7
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12/13TWSTL 39-49503876.03216.42010121.2

I'm still trying to figure out
who the hell half of these teams are! I figured Northern Illinois is a decent (lower tier program) I see he lost the them. It looks like whoever TWST (Townsen State???) is, they kept him in check. Good god he has played against ANYOBODY!!! And don't bring up Tony Romo, yes he broke Romo's records here, but please remember ROMO WENT UNDRAFTED!!!!! (and he still stinks).

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San Diego State is an FBS school that went to a bowl game. EI blew them out and JG put up those numbers in SDSU's house. The tape from that game is pretty impressive. Watch it. Towson went to the FCS Championship game, losing to North Dakota State. North Dakota State would beat most FBS teams, including the bottom half of the SEC.

FCS football is much better than it used to be. The Dolphins took 5 FCS guys in the 2014 Draft. Even Ozzie took one.

All that doesn't mean JG will be a franchise QB or even an NFL starter but it means the pick is not as outrageous as it may seem to some.

Brady6 said:

It's not that all I care about is this year, I just prioritize it over 2018. Tom Brady is a once in a lifetime player, if you do not recognize that I cannot explain it to you. When you have a once in a lifetime player and the time left with him is limited you maximize it. You are expecting to catch lighting in a bottle back to back, how often does that happen?

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Pats before the draft started had a team built to compete for a championship.

For the Pats to draft, according to some both Easley and Garrapolo high means that they really like their potential. I've watched enough of Easley to believe that. JG I have more question marks, but I like how they're gonna ease him in.

We drafted a back up QB, most important position in the game over a backup TE or LB. I don't see anything wrong with that. Mallet gone next year, I'd rather be early to that party than late.

Brady6 said:

Around 36% of the players drafted between 2008-2013 are still on the Patriots. Belichick is not flawless, so I would caution you on just agreeing with everything he does.

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1 losing season, 10+ years straight with 10+wins, 3 SB,5 SB appearances, 8AFC championship games tells me I should agree with him more often than not.

Esp more than wannabe GM, that posts in a fan message board.

And please tell me a team that drafts in our spot, that's more successful drafting?

Brady6 said:

What does that have to do with anything? We have had the greatest QB ever, put TB12 on any of those teams for the past 13 years and they would have had wining seasons too. Dur that is just so expected to turn to "we have winning seasons so we are smarter" like the QB isn't the biggest difference maker in the NFL and having the best one in the game meant nothing. How many losing seasons have Rodgers, Manning, and Brees had in recent years?

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We haven't just had winning seasons under Brady/Belichick. We've had the best winning % of any team in NFL history. We even had the best record in the AFCE (11-5) the year Brady went down.

If what you say is true, that QB is the biggest difference maker, then taking a gamble on a guy like Garoppolo might be the smartest move of them all.

The real point is that you don't know, I don't know and nobody else knows, what any player in the draft will turn out to be in the NFL. Acting like you do and providing a list of players who you think is better as proof, doesn't make your case at all.

Lets just say Brady has four years left then plans on retiring.

If Mallett is really a great QB who has just never had a chance to show it to the public. Were the Patriots going to sign Mallett to a 4 year extension at what 4 million a year to sit on the bench, even if he is a great QB, also given he will now be four years older before he ever starts? Was Mallett going to be willing to sit on the bench for the Patriots for four more years, when he knows he can be a starter in the NFl?

If Mallett sucks, would the Patriots want to invest in him and keep him around anyways?

Basically, I can find no way that Mallett will be playing for the Patriots next year, if Brady is still the starting QB this year and next.

If Mallett will be gone after this season, or perhaps even this season, does it make more sense for the Patriots to invest a high draft pick in a QB who #1 will be cheap for the next 4 years, and #2 they think has the ability to become Brady's replacement when he leaves.

I am not judging JG persay, more so the logic of drafting a QB in the second round. To me, it makes much more sense than waiting until next year to draft a QB and use him as your only back up, remember Mallett will be gone, or draft that QB and sign a free agent, lets say Cassell, at 3 million a year, so now you have Brady at $$$$$, free agent at $3mill, and some unknown rookie.

I also never understood the people that thought we could just take some developmental guy in the 6th round and groom him for 3 or 4 years. That doesn't really work ever, does it?

mgteich said:

Easley is not a questionable choice because no one else would have chosen him. The choice was a questionable choice because of the players available at the time.

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And looking at that list the only player I would have taken over him is not on it, ASJ, and that was a need based pick. I originally would have had Nix in that range as well but it appears that they had no interest in space eaters as there were plenty available and they showed no interest at all in them. I think Easely was the guy they wanted all along.

TomPatriot said:

San Diego State is an FBS school that went to a bowl game. EI blew them out and JG put up those numbers in SDSU's house. The tape from that game is pretty impressive. Watch it. Towson went to the FCS Championship game, losing to North Dakota State. North Dakota State would beat most FBS teams, including the bottom half of the SEC.

FCS football is much better than it used to be. The Dolphins took 5 FCS guys in the 2014 Draft. Even Ozzie took one.

All that doesn't mean JG will be a franchise QB or even an NFL starter but it means the pick is not as outrageous as it may seem to some.

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Most of Garoppolo's work came against shoft shells and not the kind of coverages that he's going to see as a pro. Doesn't mean he can't or won't make it, but quality of opponent has to be taken into account at least somewhat. He's years away right now and looks to be a better fit for the WCO than the Ehrhardt-Perkins. I would have preferred that the team go with a guy there that could have contributed immediately. Oh well.

Brady6 said:

Not really. Hoyer, Cassell, and. Mallett will all be on the free agent market next year and any of them could serve as the backup if signed.

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yep....pay vets to back up a QB to the detriment of a) resigning players you want to keep and b) developing a possible replacement

they obviously don't like that option

Brady6 said:

It's not that all I care about is this year, I just prioritize it over 2018. Tom Brady is a once in a lifetime player, if you do not recognize that I cannot explain it to you. When you have a once in a lifetime player and the time left with him is limited you maximize it. You are expecting to catch lighting in a bottle back to back, how often does that happen?

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i just don't see anyone there that would have done any more to maximize that than the mix they have now

aside from mortgaging the future to trade up, which i am glad they did not do, i don't see any move they could have made with this draft where they were that makes me think they sacrificed the opportunity to win now

This thread called from 2 weeks in the future. It said 'Thanks for adding a poll, as it is a natural fit, and let people see a big-picture response in one simple graphic. For that, I thank you, despite the initial oversight to not include one.'

yukon cornelius said:

why wait until it is a necessity?

why is a guy at 62 who is going to be a back up at QB somehow less preferable to a guy at 62 who is going to be a backup TE? or a backup LB?

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Because a backup TE or backup LB will see the field at some point in the next 2 years, even without injury. The only way a backup QB sees the field is if our ironman starter gets injured.

yukon cornelius said:

there were no interior OL taken in that range that were clearly better (and a better fit) than those taken later......the reach would have been taking similar talent (on the Pats board) at 62 than what could be (and was) taken later


this roster is more or less set across the board.....save for LB depth & TE depth......i don't see a soul at 62 (that couldn't be had later, either in name or similar talent) that was going to crack this roster enough to make a real impact, no

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There were options available who could have been rotation players at S, LB, DE, DT, and WR, just off the top of my head. In general, there are always a bunch of guys who can help your team, year one, in specific roles that are available in round 2. Even if they don't start, you can find Jamie Collins types who have a specific function that they perform as well as anyone currently on the roster.

It's not Garoppolo being a backup that I don't like. It's that, barring a major injury, he will not play a single meaningful snap in 2014. I understand that the QB of the future will need to be selected at some point, and sooner rather than later, but I don't agree that the second round in 2014 was the right time to do it.

The only way it makes sense to me is if Belichick privately believes that Brady will be gone as the Pats' starter within 2 years, and if that's the case then I would have preferred that they use #29 on Bridgewater anyway. They'd be getting a fantastic prospect who just experienced an Aaron Rodgers-esque fall in the draft, plus they'd have the fifth year option on him so that they could get another year of low-cost production out of him.

Brady6 said:

Do not speak to the knowledge of other posters when you are the most mindless poster on this board and every post you make consists of agreeing with or advocating for a Belichick decision. You do not think for yourself at all, so to imply you have football knowledge or can assess another persons football knowledge is moronic.

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More BS by you. You are the mindless poster here and have shown that fact since the day you started posting on here. Your ignorance exceeds Rex Ryan's fetish for feet.

Brady6 said:

You like the Graoppolo pick because you like everything Belichick does, you have never objected to a single thing he had done and therefore you have zero credibility in my eyes.

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You're a liar with this claim. First off, I said the pick was ok. Unlike you, I understand WHY it was done. And your claim that I have never objected to something that Belichick has done is complete BS on your part. There have be plenty of things I have disagreed with him on. Just because you started following the Pats last year doesn't change that fact.

Brady6 said:

I invested significant time in the scouting and predraft process, I know more about every player picked then you do, you were barely in the draft forum prior to the draft, you are riding on the fact that Belichick made the pick so it must be a good one, you do not know anything about the players drafted without googling them.

Kill their fans brain cells? You're not a fan you're a puppet that lacks the capacity to do anything besides agree with Belichick. Stop wasting my time with your endless crap it is so overplayed and predictable.

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You are a buffoon. The only "significant time" you have spent is reading sites online and looking at highlights on youtube. You haven't looked at a single Coach's All-22 on any player. So, all you are doing is googling players and regurgitating the words of people who are not scouts. I may not have spent time in the draft forum prior to the draft, but that doesn't mean I haven't looked at players, watched games, or read stuff. As for making up my own mind, I've not offered up one assessment as to whether a player will be good or not on any player the Pats drafted. And I haven't done this because my EXPERIENCE over the past 15 years of following the draft and, in particular, the Pats drafting process, is that anything can happen. Players get injured. Players have secrets that they've kept hidden. That there are plenty of things that we as fans never know about because teams don't say how interviews go.

I'm not "riding on the fact that Belichick made the pick". If you could actually comprehend what was being said, you'd know that I said the pick was OK. And I said it was OK because I understand WHY it was being done.

You've already established that you are a "GRATIFICATION NOW" guy and you couldn't give a damn about the future.

BTW, you're claim that I'm not a fan is as laughable as your ability to have a cogent conversation.

Brady6 said:

It was not needed, we have Ryan Mallett. In addition we could have drafted a QB later in the draft. Belichick in my opinion either was trying to force O'Brien and Houston's hand or got pissed off during the trade talks for Mallett so they took the player they were targeting at #65, because we were actually going to take Allen Robinson but Jacksonville jumped in front of us.

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What proof do you have that the Pats were going to take Allen Robinson? OH, that's right. You don't have any proof..

Brady6 said:

Anyone of these players would have been a better pick and could have contributed right away.

Marcus Martin - OL
Morgan Mosses - OL
Billy Turner - OL
Travis Swanson - OL
Gabe Jackson - OL
Tria Turner - OL

CJ Fiedorowicz - TE
Charles Simms - RB
Christian Kirksey - LB
Scott Crichton - DE
Louis Nix - DT
Kareem Martin - DE
Donte Mocrief - WR
Tre Mason - RB
Jarvis Landry - WR

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So, now you are Ms. Cleo and can see the future and you KNOW that these players would have contributed right away. It is pure speculation on your part that they would have contributed right away.. They could just as easily blow out a knee (ala Tyrone McKenzie) during Rookie camps as they could be a contributor.

BradyFTW! said:

There were options available who could have been rotation players at S, LB, DE, DT, and WR, just off the top of my head. In general, there are always a bunch of guys who can help your team, year one, in specific roles that are available in round 2. Even if they don't start, you can find Jamie Collins types who have a specific function that they perform as well as anyone currently on the roster.

It's not Garoppolo being a backup that I don't like. It's that, barring a major injury, he will not play a single meaningful snap in 2014. I understand that the QB of the future will need to be selected at some point, and sooner rather than later, but I don't agree that the second round in 2014 was the right time to do it.

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i don't see the needs for another rotational DT (assuming rehab is going well) or WR (at all, unless they got a legit #1)


i understand what you are saying on the timing......time will tell on that one when we see what JG does, what QB's taken 2nd round or later do from next years draft, and how long TB continues to play.....more or less the same questions we have with most draftees, i guess


i am not in love with the pick by any means.....my initial reaction was def. "WTF?"......the more i digested it, though, the more it made sense.....

DaBruinz said:

So, now you are Ms. Cleo and can see the future and you KNOW that these players would have contributed right away. It is pure speculation on your part that they would have contributed right away.. They could just as easily blow out a knee (ala Tyrone McKenzie) during Rookie camps as they could be a contributor.

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I followed the draft, understand the players and their capabilities on the field, in their combine and pro day workouts, etc. I am a lot more equipped to assess the situation than you the poster who just agrees with what Belichick does and cannot determine anything on his own. It is Belichick’s opinion that JG is a good pick, it is not even yours you do not have opinions you are a follower.